camera shy
trying to hide their faces
mingling in the crowd
aided by the stewards
making notes about us
Neil Williams!
Neil runs for protection from his FIT mates
running away after FITwatch attention
no number - maybe he's on work experience
perhaps they'll give him a number when he turns 18
CO 5494
CO 5029
CW 2073
EK no number?
EK 148
Neil with suspected undercover cop
another photographer
KD 54
LX 637
K 332
A particular highlight came chasing Photographer Neil Williams through the demonstration just by calling his name, taunting him and taking his photograph. Apparently, this was scary enough to make him return to the safety of the pack of FIT outside the demonstration; perhaps next time he'll think twice about entering the crowd all alone.
Doing FITwatch might sound like something that takes a lot of nerve, perhaps only for the 'seasoned activist' – but in fact it feels much less scary than ignoring the FIT; knowing they're there without confronting them, pretending to each other and ourselves that they don't affect us. They do affect us, and they will continue to do so unless we stop them. That's a much more scary prospect than doing a bit of FITwatch. Doing to them what they do to us feels like taking some power back. Particularly when, like on Saturday, they show that they feel vulnerable too.
And FITwatch must be doing something right – the ludicrous charges given the FITwatchers who were nicked suggests (see
https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/393970.html) that they are desperately trying to find a charge that will succeed in court – following the difficulties they are facing using 'obstruction' in the ongoing FITwatch trial (see https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/393377.html)
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Nice one.
19.03.2008 07:28
but... is it right to name someone as 'suspected undercover cop?' I did the same in another topic about some suspect camera dude and got slated big time from people on here... M15 DEMO. (sad to say some of the slating came from a fitwatch)
Anyway whatever.
Good stuff... lets bring these scum down a peg or two.
coal
Top Picture 1Hello where are you?, Iam in front of you genius, ooh cameras
19.03.2008 08:26
Most of Fitwatch look a bit lost, do they really know what they are doing?
green syndicalist
Tactics
19.03.2008 08:32
Sounds like they were giving you the chance to provided enough evidence to charge you.
All good fun!
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Great posting
19.03.2008 10:57
If they have done nothing wrong then they have nothing to fear
Germaine
no number - maybe he's on work experience
19.03.2008 12:00
Nanananannnnna
Re: suspected undercover cop
19.03.2008 15:25
> did the same in another topic about some suspect camera dude
> and got slated big time from people on here... M15 DEMO.
Coal, you were deservedly slated for suggesting that a well known video journalist "stinks of cop" because (a) you've seen him covering other demos and (b) he has an expensive camera, which is no evidence at all. You could have just asked some of the Fitwatchers if they knew him.
Here instead we have a guy always hanging around Neal Williams:
and at Traf Square:
But that's not why he's been pointed out here, it's because of the conversation he was having with MD862 Pritchard and Neal while these arrests:
were happening. Apart from the two photographers he was the only 'civilian' present for the arrests.
fitwatcher
CO 5494 = IAN SKIVENS of Netcu Fame
19.03.2008 17:10
Skivens: "I've got nothing to hide"
WARN: "Can we have your surname?"
Skivens: "No"
If they can and do exchange details of activists between "anti-terror forces", than so will we.
WARN:
Netcu Watch:
AR CopWatch:
NetcuWatcher
I love you guys!
19.03.2008 17:34
Jamal
Re: Re: suspected undercover cop
19.03.2008 17:43
Ive already stated what happend!!! Do people bother to read?? I TRIED TO SPEAK TO THE SO CALLED WELL KNOWN CAMERA MAN (TWICE INFACT).... AND HE FRIGGING WELL WALKED OFF PRETTY SHARPISH!!!
I don't really want to bring that dispute over on to this thread... but !!!!!!
The person you have so clearly pointed out in your photos is also someone ive seen around before at demos... even once or twice at the old Russell Square social centre squat.
This guy was later seen at parliment square.... i remember having a discussion about it with another fitwatcher briefly... before we all went off to the AF bookstall and hassled some police there.
Do you have any evidence at all that this guy is police?
How do you know he's always hanging around Williams?
Have you ever tried to speak to him before assuming the worst and putting his photo up?
(This isnt some daily rag like the Sun newspaper (comic).
I've had plenty of run ins with that scum williams before and havent seen that guy there.
Have you thought that maybe this dude might just have his own agenda in life?
As it has been pointed out to me... it can be all to easy to jump to suspicions.
coal
Re: suspected undercover cop
19.03.2008 22:00
> No i did not deserve to be slated. Sorry but were you at the demo? Holding the Fitwatch
> banner around the march... i was.
Was I at the demo? Well, there was a small clue here:
"Apart from the two photographers he was the only 'civilian' present for the arrests."
Which makes me either a cop, a cop photographer, or ... well, see if you can guess?
> I TRIED TO SPEAK TO THE SO CALLED WELL KNOWN CAMERA MAN
> (TWICE INFACT).... AND HE FRIGGING WELL WALKED OFF PRETTY
> SHARPISH!!!
He's a journalist, why would he want to be filmed talking to you when he could be doing his job?
> The person you have so clearly pointed out in your photos
Not my photos, I was a little busy elsewhere.
fitwatcher
oh dear.
20.03.2008 13:04
(!)
Any leads yet (from the person who did take the photos) that the person highlighted is cop???
megatron
:-/
20.03.2008 13:23
coal
Re: oh dear.
20.03.2008 13:36
As I said: "that's not why he's been pointed out here, it's because of the conversation he was having with MD862 Pritchard and Neal while these arrests were happening"
Can you guess who apart from the police might hear conversations during arrests?
fitwatcher
back to the real issue...
20.03.2008 13:49
But we need to keep our unity and not be overly distracted by arguments about undercover cops. Of course they are out there, but if we cant deal with the cops we know are cops, there's not much point worrying about the ones in jeans and nice clean trainers. Their day will come (probably coinciding with the day there are no longer surveillance cameras about).
If you're worried about someone, be careful what you say in front of them. Don't invite them round your house. Keep the mollies hidden. Otherwise, we have bigger, more obvious fish to fry.
The story here is that Fitwatch works. It's growing, and it's effective. Cheerio FIT.
fighting fit
hang on there...
20.03.2008 13:54
megatron
Re: hang on there...
20.03.2008 14:02
> even whilst they were trying to arrest someone... does that
> make me suspect too???
Oh FFS, the reason I suspect he's an undercover cop is because of the CONTENT of the conversation he had with another cop and a police photographer about ME during MY arrest.
Is that clear enough for you?
fitwatcher
Oh ffs
20.03.2008 14:53
...no ;-)
Sorry i must be missing something along the way here,but you never mentioned you were arrested.
This is all turning into a pickle isnt it. Lets stick to the bigger picture at large here and not get into a scuffle over whos undercover or not. Its always been hard to tell whos who in the fray at times... but if we keep our eyes opened and stick together we'll do just fine.
megatron.
megatron
More photos of Neil with said individual
20.03.2008 21:21
The photo (as already published) is here:
This is not evidence of anything -- I suggest you just ask the guy next time.
Manos
manos
Mr Suspect? You twats!!!
31.03.2008 15:23
The young man that FITWATCH have so nicely pointed out is someone i know.
HE IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE POLICE FORCE!!!
It seems theres a lot of this pointing out of people on here lately. Next time please do think before putting up photos of someone you suspect as being an undercover copper... maybe you could at least try and speak to the person, find out who they are first!
You amateurs!!!
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