Pictures of Warren Street "incident" 21/7

AntiMS | 21.07.2005 19:50 | London

Photos of as close as I could get to warren street.

Copper Assulting member of public to get them to move faster

Tottenham Court Road Empty!

Goodge Street in Chaos.

The eye-witness of the Warren Street Bomb.

4th Cordon.

2nd Cordon as close to the station I could get to.

Warren Street Tube today.

AntiMS

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Spare us this rubbish: "Copper assulting member of public to get them to move faster".

I am sure that you would have loved to have walked down to the station and down the escalators and possibly got yourself blown up to kingdom come, wouldn't you?

The photos aren't bad, but some of you people really need to get over your obsession with the police being the incarnation of evil...it is most wearisome!

artaud

totally true

21.07.2005 21:54

what a stupid caption..

it is hardly unreasonable to co-operate with a cop moving people away from a potential bomb. come on, get some perspective. this wasn't some demo with the cops getting heavy against some assertive activists, it's a life or death situation so why criticise?

ben

Assault in a life and death situation?

21.07.2005 22:08

How dare people criticise cops for assaulting people in "life and death" situations?

WTF are you on Artaud and Ben? Look carefully at the photo - they're in the street - what is the hurry that permits a cop to cosh a member of the public with a baton?

Having spoken to someone who witnessed the behaviour of the copper first hand, I am satisfied it was over the top and unnecessary. The guy was not refusing to co-operate, he just wasn't moving fast enough for the little bullies liking. How do you know that the victim wasn't suffering from shock?

In fact I heard a similar story about the 7th July where a copper called a woman a "cunt" as he pushed her back.

No doubt you two think he was being "magnanimous" and that his behaviour is excusable?

Of course if soemeone had called the copper and pushed him, he would have found time to arrest them, despite the "life and death" situation.

BRB

open publishing

21.07.2005 22:42

'rubbish'aside - Artaud ( your name seriiously...?!) is Skeptic methinks. About time you posted news in stead of the ususal shite. having said that - can we have less of the tabloid style nonsense. More coherent arguments, less speculation as 'fact', etc etc. ad infinitum....

dot

Extremism

21.07.2005 22:55

In terms of blinkered mindset, there is not much difference between Islamic fundamentalists, rabid neo-cons and the many hard-core leftie and anarchist militants that post here.

It seems to boil down to such cut and dried, black and white worldviews as :

Man in cop uniform = BAD
Man in black hoodie = GOOD

It doesn't augur well for the future of the world...

artaud

Artaud

21.07.2005 23:24

Were you there sweety-pie?

(BRB soothes Artaud's poor furrowed brow)

Cos the guy who took the photo, and the eye witness i spoke to both say that that particular cop was heavy handed, and that his thuggery was not necessary.

Now, that reads ONE cop - WW170 - not every cop who was there.

Got that?

(BRB passes poor traumatised Artaud some sweet black tea and dry toast)

BRB

Me? Skeptic?

22.07.2005 00:00

I should be insulted! I have as much time for the rubbish Skeptic posts as you do.

Of course it isn't my real name. My real name is Roland. Artaud is just my web pseudo.

As for a cop coshing a member of the public, I fail to see that in any photo.

I share BRB's revulsion at police heavy-handedness. It is just that the photograph in question is rather too tame to merit that exaggerated caption.

Have you thought about the difficult job that the police sometimes do? About the stress? About the things that many of them may have witnessed recently? Sure it is regrettable if someone is pushed away a little too roughly from a cordon, but this is not a demo we're talking about, but the site of a bomb attack which might still be dangerous.

If you are unlucky enough to be a victim of any future attack, it could well be the copper WW x70 in the photo who carries you out, who applies a tourniquet quickly enough to save your leg...

Think...

artaud

Respect is a two way street

22.07.2005 05:40

"If you are unlucky enough to be a victim of any future attack, it could well be the copper WW 170 in the photo who carries you out, who applies a tourniquet quickly enough to save your leg..."

Which is why he is paid :

-On commencing service – £26,079
-On completion of 18 weeks training – £28,383
-After two years' probationer training – £29,614.

along with other benefits such as free travel - so its hardly for altruistic reasons, is it?

Anyway, I still can't see how that justifies him hitting a member of the public with a baton, nor does it justify his mate calling a member of the public a "cunt".

If coppers want our respect, then they need to start treating US with respect, and restraining their mates from abusing us. They also need to start acting within the same laws that they impose on us.

That seems like a better way forward than your recipe of blind respect regardless of how much coppers abuse us.

Of course, that isn't actually going to happen.........

BRB

Where is the proof?

22.07.2005 07:49

Again you mention a member of the public hit with the baton. But where is the proof? There is nothing in the photographs to show this. And this thread is specifically about the use of that particular caption in that first photograph, not "police brutality" in general.

artaud

Erm, Artaud

22.07.2005 08:17

" And this thread is specifically about the use of that particular caption in that first photograph, not "police brutality" in general" - Artaud

" some of you people really need to get over your obsession with the police being the incarnation of evil...it is most wearisome!" - Artaud

"It seems to boil down to such cut and dried, black and white worldviews as :

Man in cop uniform = BAD
Man in black hoodie = GOOD"

"Now, that reads ONE cop - WW170 - not every cop who was there." - BRB

You're not exactly consistent, are you Artaud?

It's you who's been making generalisations about "police brutality" in general - whereas my point was that it was a specific copper.

Oh, and I believe the thread is called "Pictures of Warren Street "incident" 21/7" - it's you whose hijacked it, and turned it into some kind of attack on anarchists, and some convoluted defence of cop thuggery.

The photographer was there, and clearly states that the cop over-reacted.

Were you there Artaud?

Or do you have some other basis for your accusations?

BRB

a load of old cosh?

22.07.2005 08:38

He's holding that fellow to the right of the pick with his one arm, I don't see a cosh. Also, it's very presumptious to assume that the loose lipped profanity dribbler is a friend to him. That's very tabloid of you....

sarah

You're quite right BRB

22.07.2005 12:24

The thread has indeed spilled over somehwat. It's easy to do and yes I am guilty of that too.

At the start I simply wished to make a point about accuracy of captioning.

artaud

A question of context

01.08.2005 16:40

The picture in question shows a cop looking at the camera, obviously mid saying something. His hand appears to be holding somone but that is it. All that can be taken from the photo is the copper was preventing people from crossing the corden behind him.

Therefore I would agree that the caption is misleading. This is because there is no story posted to corraberate the facts, then the caption could have read "Copper who caused trouble".

Anywho, the real question is have both of these incidents mentioned been reported or not to the police authorities or is it left to moans on places like this?

John

BRAVERY

04.11.2005 23:55

Well i have read your interesting comment on how the emergency services dealt with the bombing on 7/7 and 21/7. I would just like to say that as one of the officers who was one of first to respond on scene to both incidents and had people with life threatening injuries that you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. You should try to attend one of these incidents ( or would you really have the courage to instead of just paining everything is negative manner) and then you would have the right to make comments. You seem to forget all the lives that were saved by the brave efforts of EVERY member of the emergency services that attended and go on attending situations in the capital every day.

MET POLICE

i was there

07.11.2005 19:10

Well well well,

what a load of old rubbish. i was on duty with ww 170 when this photo was taken and at no time did he take his ASP (baton) out, let alone use it. Maybe the author who started this article has a twinkle in his eye over WW 170 and was hoping he would "draw his baton" for his own pleasure, and got a litlle upset when he did not. But rest assured, it stayed in its pouch, all day!!.

Im sure the author is very lonely sitting in his hobbit hole all day fantasising about his encounter with WW170 but a little message for him,

Dont you think your a little sad making up stories about the police..... get a hobby

enough said

MET POLICE- who was there on the day, with WW170.

A1 information.....

another officer

Be Realistic

08.11.2005 12:13

Honestly, this is one of the most pathetic arguments I have ever encountered. As has been said, where is the evidence of this so called "cosh" - especailly when officers use ASPs. It's not in the picture and I doubt wholeheartly that it ever was seen let alone used. With all the CCTV monitoring that incident, which WW170 would have been well aware of, it's completely unrealistic to suggest an officer "coshed" someone out of the blue - he would have lost his job. And as I know WW170 personally I know he is still very much employed and respected by the service.

So find something more believable to slate the police, because this is quite frankly sad!

rational