Post 7/7, the need to understand what caused four British men to blow themselves up is crucial if we are to mount an effective defense strategy. Honest relection by all is urgently required.
Will he come clean?
There is much talk at the moment that the Muslim community, at least pre- 7/7, were in denial about extremism. I suspect that this might be true, but not being part of that community I am not in a position to know. What is evidently clear however is that Blair is in denial, unable and unwilling to bring himself to admit that his decision to invade Iraq was a major factor leading to the London attacks. Below is a short article describing how the friends of one of the bombers perceive his motivation.
"LEEDS, England - Friends say a man identified as one of the London bombers had grown increasingly angry over the war in Iraq. And they believe the war ultimately drove him to blow himself up on a subway train last week. Shahzad Tanweer was the 22-year-old son of a Pakistani-born affluent businessman. Friends say he had turned to Islam, the religion of his birth, only a few years ago and had become withdrawn in recent months. One friend notes that Britain is -- quote -- "crying over 50 people, while a hundred people are dying every day in Iraq and Palestine." And he says the bombers are in heaven.
A friend of Tanweer's, Hasib Hussain, was also among the bombers. Acquaintances say Hussain had become more religious two years ago, but had never abandoned his boyhood friends for radicals."
"LEEDS, England - Friends say a man identified as one of the London bombers had grown increasingly angry over the war in Iraq. And they believe the war ultimately drove him to blow himself up on a subway train last week. Shahzad Tanweer was the 22-year-old son of a Pakistani-born affluent businessman. Friends say he had turned to Islam, the religion of his birth, only a few years ago and had become withdrawn in recent months. One friend notes that Britain is -- quote -- "crying over 50 people, while a hundred people are dying every day in Iraq and Palestine." And he says the bombers are in heaven.
A friend of Tanweer's, Hasib Hussain, was also among the bombers. Acquaintances say Hussain had become more religious two years ago, but had never abandoned his boyhood friends for radicals."
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False Flags
21.07.2005 11:52
Antipholus Papps
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21.07.2005 12:33
magoo
Or, you may want to check the evidence,
21.07.2005 12:35
And the patsies, called "bombers", parts of the exercises which were played out the very same morning.
In any case Phony Bliar will have to go to jail.
someone somewhere
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21.07.2005 12:36
magoo
Dispassionate handles
21.07.2005 12:44
Furthermore, as with 11/9/01, our attention might be brought to a shameful event in our foreign relations, 28 or however many years earlier. Can we not say... da-da!... the London bombings?
Limey Alec
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21.07.2005 15:41
wtf are you talking about? what witnesses have said this? methinks you are spouting bullshit.
sean
Evidence? Take Your Pick
21.07.2005 17:56
Phony 'Al-Qaeda' Responsibility Claim a Proven Hoax
Prison Planet | July 8 2005
With regard to the so-called claim of responsibility for the London bombings from an unknown Al-Qaeda group which the British government is treating as 'serious,' MSNBC reported,
MSNBC TV translator Jacob Keryakes, who said that a copy of the message was later posted on a secular Web site, noted that the claim of responsibility contained an error in one of the Quranic verses it cited. That suggests that the claim may be phony, he said.
"This is not something al-Qaida would do," he said.
Furthermore, the website posting doesn't even claim personal responsibility, it simply references "the heroic mujahedeen" in the third person. The posting praises the attack, it doesn't even take responsibility for it.
These facts didn't stop countless newspapers and Neo-Con websites automatically assuming Al-Qaeda (or Al-CIAda) was behind the attack.
Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning
By AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 7, 7:14 AM ET
JERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.
These would have had to be fairly specific warnings, if they were enough to change these plans.
See No Evil: Spinning Netanyahu's London Terror Tip-off
The willful blindness of Israel's partisans is running smack up against a widely-circulated report in the mainstream media that Israel's Finance Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was tipped off to the London terrorist attacks.
The Phony (Mossad) Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine
Questions grow on London bombing
All these websites trace to Everyone's Internet in Houston, Texas --- EV1 has been hosting al-Qaeda for years. It's time someone asked why.
In a thread last year (now closed), soren asked: "Robert Marsh and EV1 -- have you no shame?"
Quote:
Robert Marsh answered:
"There is more to it than meets the public eye. That's all I have to say."
Perhaps those "law enforcement" officials who claim to be connected with the U.S. Customs Dept. might not be really LEOs at all -- instead they could be traitors that have been paid-off with some Saudi's petro-dollars to sell out America. By keeping those websites online and forcing ISPs to host the sites the effect is the same.
Why Al Qaeda Is Probably Not Behind The London Attacks - JUS
Al-Qaeda is a US/Israeli Intelligence Asset
Britain Explosions Surveillance
AL QAEDA WEBSITE TRACKS BACK TO ... MARYLAND???
Submitted by a reader.
From:
"These statements and others from al Qaeda have been appearing from time to time on a Web site called www.alneda.com.
"In recent months, the site, which experts suspect is closely linked to al Qaeda, also has posted manifestos signed "al Qaeda jihad" in which it says bin Laden is alive and well and preparing future attacks against the United States.
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Interesting "link" to al-Qaeda, as revealed by whois data for alneda.com:
alneda.com
Registration Service Provided By: DIRECTI
Contact: +91.2256797500
Website:
Domain Name: ALNEDA.COM
Registrant:
SFP, Inc
Jon David (
Po 312
Berlin
Maryland,21811
US
Tel. +011.4107237089
Creation Date: 16-Jul-2002
Expiration Date: 16-Jul-2013
Explanation of al neda, based out of Maryland.
False flag over London
By John Leonard
Online Journal Contributing Writer
July 8, 2005—Yesterday we saw a classic false flag attack in London, organized by western secret services to distract attention from the deepening political troubles of Bush and Blair, and perhaps even to create the pretext for war on Iran. Of course, Bush and his poll ratings have been sinking under scandals and rumblings of impeachment. Blair too has been badly hurt by the Downing Street memo.
Police hunt 'mercenary' terror gang recruited by al-Qa'ida
I guess the culprits identified by eyewitnesses were not the right colour to fit the prevailing Conspiracy Theory put forth by the LIARS and killers anxious to use these attacks as an excuse for further aggression.
Here's an antidote to the sanctimonious, hypocritical statements made by the LIARS and killers.
Lest We Forget; These Were Blair's Bombs
By John Pilger
The warning to Netanyahu blew the cover off the London bombings. Now, Mr, Cohen tries to get the frame-up pointed back in the intended direction again.
Note that his article is based upon Myth, not fact, such as the fake "bin Laden tapes", strategically released to help Bush.
It is interesting to note who still supports this Neo-Fascist Aggression, and this agenda of death. In doing so, people such as this authour hang themselves, and the people they work for.
Face up to the truth
Blair rejects calls for probe into bombings
By James Blitz, Political Editor, and Jimmy Burns
Published: July 10 2005 20:55 | Last updated: July 10 2005 20:55
London attacksTony Blair will on Monday reject Conservative demands for a government inquiry into last week's London bomb attacks, insisting such a move would distract from the task of catching the perpetrators.
As police and security services on Sunday continued searching for the bombers - thought to be Islamist terrorists - Downing Street said the prime minister believed an inquiry now into the outrage which killed at least 49 people would be a "ludicrous diversion."
Instead, in a statement to the Commons on Monday following last week's Group of Eight summit, Mr Blair is expected to focus on the direction the government must take to ensure future terrorism is defeated.
In particular, the prime minister believes there must be far greater co-operation among European Union governments in the fight against terrorism - a view Charles Clarke, the home secretary, is expected to drive home at an emergency meeting of EU interior ministers this week.
He is expected to tell his counterparts governments must ensure operators keep data on telephone and internet exchanges for up to a year.
He also indicated on Sunday that he would consider granting further "control orders" if he thought they were necessary.
Mr Clarke said he was "very optimistic indeed" that last Thursday's bombers would be tracked down. But he feared further attacks could take place until that happened. "That is why the number one priority has to be the catching of the perpetrators."
Police continued to sift through the debris from Thursday's four explosions - three in the London Underground and one on a bus - and to examine witness accounts and intelligence as part of their hunt for the bombers.
But police chiefs indicated that had yet to establish the identity or the whereabouts of the terrorists they suspect belong to an extremist Islamist cell in sympathy with the aims of Al-Qaeda.
Tension several cities remained high over the weekend. Police said they had arrested, under prevention of terrorism laws, three British nationals on an inward flight at Heathrow early on Sunday but insisted that any link with last Thursday's bombings was speculative. The three were expected to be released later on Sunday night, according to police sources.
But the arrests, the dozens of bomb alerts in the English capital and an evacuation in the Birmingam city centre over the weekend reflect the nervousness of both police and the general public at the prospect that the bombers were still at large and capable of striking again.
The police also revealed that there had been a few cases of attacks on British Muslims in the wake of the bombings - including one in which an individual was "seriously injured."
The revelation came as some government officials expressed irritation that an article in a Sunday newspaper by Sir John Stevens, the former Metropolitan Police commissioner, might stir up racial tensions. He said the bombers were "almost certainly" British - with many more born and bred here willing to attack.
Report: Israel Was Warned Ahead of First Blast
Note how they stick to the official line that this is an attack by terrorists, even as evidence continues to mount of an inside job, with the bus cameras conveniently not working, military explosives, the desperate spin why they are looking for "white" perpetrators, and of course the warning to Netanyahu.
London Terror Tip-off: Timeline Refutes Israeli Denial
The 7/7 London Papers:
THE LONDON ATTACKS
The recent bombings in London have prompted me to create a database of information from various news sites. This page will be used for that collection at the present time. I do not believe these attacks were at all what the mainstream media and government officials want us to believe they were.
George and Tony Get their al-Qaeda Fix
Monday, July 11, 2005
By Greg Palast
The cruel, evil jerks who blew up the London subway last week, despite appropriating al-Qaeda's name for their website and T-shirts, have about as much to do with al-Qaeda as a Beatles tribute band has to do with the Fab Four.
Aid to the Enemy
The fact is that the self-styled “conservatives” have wickedly aided and abetted terrorism and terrorists, both here and abroad…
"Consider the increased amounts of 'chatter,” from the administration about 9-11 over the past 3 weeks (absent from most Government speeches until quite recently). It would be fascinating to do a key word analysis of the use of the word 9-11 in U.S. government speeches in the 3 weeks leading up to the London attack, as opposed to the previous 12 months."
Now, this is interesting!
The Bushling did, in fact, make a speach in which he frequently harped on 9/11, with a frequency unusual even for him.
As support for these monsters erodes, and their LIES are exposed, I fear what else they have up their sleeves. RIP the Walking Dead?
Bush renews linking Iraq war to 9/11
He got caught in a lie and nothing happened to him. Emboldened, he will now go on to greater and greater lies, because he knows you will do nothing about it.
Ricin: The plot that never was by Severin Carrell and Raymond Whitacker
news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=63 0187
The police in Leeds used military explosives during their raids on the homes in question, the same military explosives used in the London bombings, thus contaminating the scene.
How the Government Staged the London Bombings in Ten Easy Steps
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet | July 13 2005
Ten Step Method To Staging a Terrorist Attack
1) Hire a Crisis Management firm to set up an exercise that parallels the terrorist attack you are going to carry out. Have them run the exercise at the precise locations and at the very same time as the attack. If at any stage of the attack your Arabs get caught, tell the police it was part of an exercise.
2) Hire four Arabs and tell them they're taking part in an important exercise to help defend London from terrorist attacks. Strap them with rucksacks filled with deadly explosives. Tell the Arabs the rucksacks are dummy explosives and wouldn't harm a fly.
3) Tell four Arabs to meet up at London Underground and disperse, each getting on a different train. Make sure Arabs meet in a location where you can get a good mug shot of them all on CCTV which you can later endlessly repeat to drooling masses on television.
4) While four Arabs are in London, plant explosives in their houses in Leeds. Plant some explosives in one of their cars in Luton for the police to later discover. Remember that Qu'ran and flight manual in the hijackers' car? Ha ha, they fell for that one hook, line and sinker. No need to change tactics on this one.
5) Before the bombings take place, make sure you warn any of your buddies who are scheduled to be anywhere near where the bombs go off. If this gets leaked to the press, just deny it.
6) 4th Arab goes out partying in London night before and ends up getting out of bed late. No worries, the 9/11 'hijackers' did the same thing but that didn't cause us a big problem. 4th Arab catches bus to see if other Arabs are waiting for him. 4th Arab starts hearing about explosions in the London Underground. 4th Arab comes to the realization that this he is being set up and freaks out. 4th Arab starts fiddling in his rucksack. 4th Arab sets bomb off and is blown up.
If you hired any additional Arabs and they also got wind of the set up, make sure tere are GPS locators in the rucksacks so you can have police snipers ready to kill them before they can blow the whistle.
7) After the bombs go off, put out a story for over an hour that the explosions are a simple electrical fault. This gives you cover time to make sure the lazy bus Arab is dead and any other hired Arabs who reneged are also dead. Make sure any CCTV footage that doesn't support your official story is either seized or destroyed.
8) A few hours after the bombings, have one of your boys post an 'Al-Qaeda statement' claiming responsibility. Don't worry about the whole 'misreferencing the Qu'ran' thing, these idiots don't have the attention spans to figure it out.
9) After you have made sure that all the Arabs are dead and you are managing the story accordingly, wait for four days until the police piece together the story and find the explosives you planted in Leeds and in the car in Luton. Remember that Qu'ran and flight manual in the hijackers' car? Ha ha, they fell for that one hook, line and sinker. No need to change tactics this time either. The time delay will convince the gullible public that a real investigation is taking place. Create a background of the hired Arabs being militant Muslims. The drooling masses, as was the case with the '9/11 hijackers,' will ignore stories of neighbours saying they were the quiet, educated types who liked children and playing sports.
BBC excerpt: One local resident described him as "a nice lad".
"He liked to play football, he liked to play cricket. I'm shocked."
Another resident said he was just a "normal kid" who played basketball and kicked a ball around.
10) Sit back and enjoy as Blair and his minions grandstand in front of television cameras about staying the course in the war on terror. The pay raise, extra agency funding, and power to strip more freedoms and liberties made the ten easy steps to staging a terrorist attack a worthwhile venture. The dozens of dead people were necessary collateral damage. This is a dirty war, we need to be less moral than the terrorists to defeat them.
And that's how the government staged the bombings in ten easy steps.
Granted, you can interchange different pieces of the puzzle. The bombers could be real terrorists that knew exactly what they were doing. All you would need to do is control the 'mastermind' behind the attack and make sure his boys carried out the job in the way you wanted. Voila.
The birth of the London bomb Official Story
You can practically hear the click at that moment in the life of every conspiracy when the police investigation turns into the Official Story. At that point, the investigation is intended to 'fix the facts' to the Official Story, and the cover-up begins. The story of the London bombs has made this transformation within the last twenty-four hours. The authorities thought it was small bombs with timers or triggered by cell phones and almost certainly not a suicide bomb attack; now they claim with certainty that the bombs were accompanied by handlers, some or all of whom may have died in the blasts, possibly by accident and probably intentionally (which means they were suicide bombers, as it is extremely unlikely that all four made a mistake). The original story was that it was an international al Qaeda operation; now it is British Muslims. In just a day or two, everything has changed.
Suicide bomber 'had all to live for'
Bet this guy never thought that simply by taking Mass Transit that day, his memory would be so horribly destroyed.
More ands more the evidence indicates that the accused men are not the type to engage in acts of terror, especially acts in which they will knowingly die.
Suicide is an act of someone who thinks they have nothing to live for. That does not fit these individuals.
Yet even as the evidence stares them in the face the media will not wander from the mandated first assumption of guilt-without-proof. Even as Bliar refuses any probe into the attacks which deviates from this narrative, and bases its findings in an unbiased manner upon the evidence alone.
Meanwhile, I call your attention to the mention of Israeli security company ICTS further down. ICTS, it should be remembered, handled security at all the airports from which the 9-11 planes departed.
Does Anyone Really Believe This Horsesh*t?
British authorities finger patsies within days of bombings, country drinks it up, and it’s like Déjà vu all over again
The London Explosions, the Rogue Network, Bush and Iran
Commissioner of London Transport is ex CIA!
Bombing suspects' identities shock Leeds
There was an interesting rumor going around London just before the attacks, that someone was trying to hire Muslims to play terrorists for a terror drill, to try to sneak onto the trains and buses with fake bombs to test out the security.
We know the terror drill was real. We know they were running the drill at the exact same stations the bombings actually occurred.
We know that the accused bombers don't fit the profile of men ready to die for Allah. Indeed it is reported that some of them were not particularly religious.
And we are faced with the strange claim that these men, one of whom had a new family, carried bombs set on timers yet stood there waiting for the bombs to explode.
This makes sense ONLY if they thought they were carrying fake bombs as part of a terror drill. This also explains the nervousness of the man on the bus who had probably just heard of the real explosions and was starting to suspect that the fake bomb he was carrying might not be fake after all.
"Hey you, Muslim person. Wanna make a hundred pounds? You could use that kind of dough, with a new kid and all. We're running a terror drill, and all you gotta do is take this here harmless backpack with a fake bomb inside to work with you tomorrow, just to see if the subway guards catch you or not. Mum's the word, this is national security and all; you can't tell anyone!"
The 'Birmingham Six' and British False Flags.
UK police confident of al-Qaeda link to bombs
What a strange story. Of course you can find a link if you try hard enough. What baffles is that the detectives don't say that they can find those responsible, according to the evidence, but that they will "find a link", as Bliar has refused any probe into the attacks which deviates from this narrative.
Yet more on the London bombs
CHANGING THE OFFICIAL STORY:
(Please see: "The 25 Tactics of Disinformation")
London bombs home-made from pharmacy ingredients
I'm sure the perpetrators hope that earlier reports about military explosives being used, as reported by initial investigators, will be pushed down the Memory Hole.
London, Bush and Mossad
The sheer volume of Disinformation being churned out by the Israelis just damns them more than if they had said nothing.
I'm not "wild-eyed" at all, and the tale about Netanyahu Israel is attempting to push is contradicted by the timeline of events.
Methinks they protest too much!!
As with the alleged 9/11 "suicide hijackers" the families and friends of these young men are stunned and incredulous. There is nothing about these youths that fits with the "suicide bomber" profile. Security services could interpret the choice of innocents as clever planning by the masterminds who selected "ordinary young men...below the intelligence radar".
Much is made of the CCTV video tape of the four carrying large rucksacks before they were said to have boarded their respective trains. The tapes show them chatting and acting as though they were going on a hiking holiday. Was this just part of their ploy to move below the radar? Is it easy to appear nonchalant as you are about to blow yourselves and others to smithereens?
It is significant that this was a "suicide bombing" while the Madrid bombing was not (Even though the explosives in question were triggered by timing devices). Even so, the London Times reported that the alleged Madrid conspirators (who were all Government Informants) had met in a similar fashion before placing their bombs; after their bombs were placed they apparently got off the trains. Why? Why not a suicide mission? Or alternately, why couldn't these London lads place the charges and de-board?
The "suicide bomber" scenario works well to tell us who the bombers were. We all should know by now that only Muslims practice the suicide version of terrorism. To posit suicide in London obviates the need to investigate others. Remember the confusion in Madrid because Basque separatists were early suspects? If the bombers had blown themselves up on the trains no one would have suspected Basques; only Muslims commit suicide.
Why was Madrid handled differently? The simple answer is that the ubiquitous video cameras could not have picked up non-existent bombers, just like the video cameras at Logan, Newark and Dulles could not pick up non-existent hijackers.
The explosives in Madrid were not placed by passengers. The true perpetrators of these crimes learned from the Madrid experience and went back to their "suicide bomber" formula. This time they made sure to get "suicide bombers" (Arab victims) on camera, rucksacks and all. This alteration allows them to keep the advantage of the public preparation to identify only Muslims as suicide bombers. There will not be any uncomfortable questions about how explosives were placed or detonated.
The "Muslim suicide bomber" formula stops inquiry, stops thought, takes precedence in the public imagination over all objections. In the past four years the hundreds of inconsistencies and contrary pieces of evidence about 9/11 have not been able to remove the picture people have in their minds of Muslim hijackers flying planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.
The video of these four young men in London with their rucksacks will serve to end the public's interest in the questions of how, who, and why. No doubt the fact that a complete lack of video evidence, damning the 911 Official Theory, was noted by the perpetrators of this False Flag Attack.
But the skeptic might ask some questions here. Why did these "suicide bombers" seem so ordinary, so nonchalant before these awful deeds? Could it be that they were recruited as "extras" in the disaster exercises, and that their only purpose was to be seen in the video, meeting, and carrying their heavy rucksacks? And wouldn't their subsequent disappearance verify that what they carried in their sacks were those explosives that blew the trains, the bus and themselves to kingdom come?
ICTS Europe is an Israeli security company based in the Netherlands, a subsidiary of which is Huntleigh. Huntleigh was the security contractor at Logan Airport on 9/11 that failed to provide us with CCTV evidence of hijackers. The London Underground is one of Fortress GB's clients and according to their press release they provide smart card technology (personal details and biometric information) for contractors that operate in Tube stations. It makes me wonder if Peter Power's Visor Consultants were identified by these smart cards and if the four young men from Leeds were ever issued such ID.
Police suspect bombers tricked
BRITISH police are considering the possibility that the four key suspects in the July 7 London attacks might have been tricked into setting off their bombs, a British newspaper has reported.
"We do not have hard evidence that the men were suicide bombers," a Scotland Yard spokesman told The Sunday Telegraph. "It is possible that they did not intend to die."
According to the paper, one police hypothesis is that the bombers were tricked by a "master" who told them they would have time to escape – when in fact the devices were set to go off immediately.
The other hypothosis is that these men were hired to play the role of terrorists for the terror drill that was happening at the very same time and place the bombings happened, and didn't realize that the fake bombs they were given were real.
"Hey you, Muslim person. Wanna make a hundred pounds? You could use that kind of dough, with a new kid and all. We're running a terror drill, and all you gotta do is take this here harmless backpack with a fake bomb inside to work with you tomorrow, just to see if the subway guards catch you or not. Mum's the word, this is national security and all; you can't tell anyone!"
Mossad Chief Confirms Netanyahu's Warning of London Bombing
The controversy continues over an Associated Press story detailing the remarks of a “senior Israeli official” who claimed that Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in London for an economic conference, was warned by Scotland Yard “minutes” in advance of the terrorist bombings. According to the original story, Netanyahu’s prior knowledge was the cause of his not showing up at the conference, which took place at a hotel near the Liverpool Underground station. A subsequent AP report contained the Israeli’s government’s denial of a prior warning, and claimed that Netanyahu received a warning after the blasts.
Although the first AP story was never retracted, that didn’t prevent Israel’s American amen corner from claiming that it had been withdrawn, nor did it stop Stratfor.com from coming out with an analysis claiming that Israel knew "days" in advance, and that it wasn’t Scotland Yard that informed Netanyahu. Former intelligence analyst Tommy Preston, of Preston Global, concurred.
My own column drawing on these sources drew fire, not only from the usual suspects, but also from dailykos.com, the Democratic party website spawned by the Dean campaign. “Antiwar.com is not a legitimate source,” declared one poster.
This from a website that headlined “Did BushCo Tip Off London Bombers?”!
An author who goes by the name "DHinMI" manufactured a quote, purportedly from me, that was nothing more than a crude fabrication: it had quote marks around it, as if I had written it, when in reality I had written no such thing. DhinMI’s point: that to even suggest that Netanyahu had advance notice of the London bombings is so obviously an “anti-Semitic conspiracy theory” that no discussion is required, regardless of what the Associated Press reports.
The Kossacks, as they call themselves, are trying to clean their act up so that they can be more closely associated with the Democratic party apparatus. However, why limit themselves to condemning my column: why not condemn AP as an “illegitimate source” for publishing the news of Netanyahu’s foreknowledge to begin with? And while they’re at it, they need to add a few more media source to the list, including some of the Israeli media. Israel Insider cites Mossad chief Meir Dagan, in an interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag:
“The Mossad office in London received advance notice about the attacks, but only six minutes before the first blast, the paper reports, confirming an earlier AP report. As a result, it was impossible to take any action to prevent the blasts.”
Here is the Bild am Sonntag story in German, and a Google translation.
Is this just empty boasting on the part of the Mossad chief, or is there some truth to the initial AP report? Is Meir Dagan spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy theories?
We report. You decide.
I might add that some of the DailyKos folks are shocked – shocked! – that Antiwar.com opposed the Kosovo war. We, in turn, are shocked at the hypocrisy of those who support a war of aggression against a country, Yugoslavia, that had never attacked us, and that was never sanctioned by the United Nations. They only oppose wars started by Republicans: we at Antiwar.com, on the other hand, oppose all wars of aggression, regardless of the partisan affiliation of those in power at the time.
London bomber made one-day Israel visit - official
Mainstream Media Reports "Suicide Theory" Difficult to Swallow
Infowars.com | July 19, 2005
Here are several mainstream newspapers that are now saying what we've been saying all along: It simply doesn't add up that a group of otherwise normal and quiet individuals with families and children would blow themselves up as part of a terrorist attack.
RELATED:
Explosions In London
EXCLUSIVE: WAS IT SUICIDE?
These patsies didn't have any real motive. Who had the motive? Who benefited from the attack? Tryannical governments everywhere, most especially in the UK and the US, where these events have increased support for Blair and Bush and greased the skids for more intense "anti-terror" legislation.
Its very exciting to see mainstream publications not buying into the propaganda. Never before have so many people witnessed a government-backed terrorist attack and immediately seen through it. The results of the bombings have not been what the Globalists expected. People are awake or waking. They refuse to swallow the lie and its forcing the real perpitrators of this atrocity to change their story.
British gov't protests at Iran claims over London bombings
LONDON (AFP) - Britain protested furiously to
Iran over comments by a leading Iranian politician that the London bombings might have been deliberately carried out by the British government.
I'd say the "insulting and ridiculous" allegations were the LIES about Iraq, and now those being fed to the public, many of which have already been positively proven to be more LIES, as these Neo-Fascists attempt to justify an act of aggression against Iran.
UK boy wrongly labelled as bomber
The boy confused with (ALLEGED!!) London bomber Hasib Hussain
Evidence showing that all three of the (ALLEGED) London bombers of Pakistani descent visited Pakistan last year has been thrown into doubt.
A photograph of a passport purporting to show bomber Hasib Hussain was in fact that of a 16-year-old British boy with the same name.
This is also true of the so-called "chemist" arrested in Egypt. I guess the UK Government forgot that it was military explosives that were used in the bombings ...
The Mossad has a long history of stealing foreign passports to use during intelligence operations. Just last year, the Canadian Government had to remind them of their promise to stop doing this with Canadian papers, and New Zealand arrested three Mossad agents, attempting to obtain NZ passports.
If It Isn't Hacked & Removed AGAIN
evidence???
21.07.2005 21:20
magoo
Interesting article
22.07.2005 00:41
In the mean-time, all of these conspiracy theorists need to refrain from posting irrelevant material that distracts from the issue at hand.
If you want to discuss conspiracy theories, here's a good one for you: The conspiracy theorists are really CIA and/or MI5 (or 6; don't know your numbering system as I live in the US) agents who chime in any time the left starts getting onto an issue of substance and relevance in such a way that it could result in problems for US/UK policy in the Middle East.
joe
Hello "sean"
22.07.2005 00:56
wtf are you talking about? what witnesses have said this? methinks you are spouting bullshit."
No need to be rude, unless that is you are afraid of the implications.
There are a lot of evidence details that the big "news-outlets", for some reason, have decided is not in the public interest.
One such detail is this from "the Cambridge Evening News on July 11th.......BEFORE the suicide bombers and the suicide bomb scenario were/was revealed to the public":
"O.K
Being from Cambridge,I was interested in anybody from Cambridge who was on the London Underground on 7/7.
This witness, Bruce Lait is a dance teacher in Cambridge, and was on the tube that blew up between Liverpool street and Aldgate.....
Please note that this was given in our local paper.....the Cambridge Evening News on July 11th.......BEFORE the suicide bombers and the suicide bomb scenario were/was revealed to the public.
He(Bruce Lait) and Crystal(Lait's partner)were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a policemen pointed out where the bomb had been.
"The policeman said 'Mind that hole,that is where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed UPWARDS AS IF THE BOMB WAS UNDERNEATH THE TRAIN. They(police) seem to think that the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag."
Now earlier on in the article he does say
"I remember an Asian guy, there was a white guy with tracksuit trousers and a baseball cap, and there were 2 old ladies sitting opposite me."
"We had been on there for a minute at most and then something happened. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums. I can still hear that sound now."
"We were in right in the carriage where the bomb was. I was knocked out. I did not know what was going on."
At the end of the article he says:
"Out of that whole carriage, I think Crystal and I were the only ones who were not seriously injured, and I think we were NEAREST the bomb."
Nothing to see here folks.....now move along."
From the "team 8 +" forum :
His last line;
"Out of that whole carriage,I think Crystal and I were the only ones who were not seriously injured,and I think we were NEAREST the bomb."
..indicates that the people they saw "injured" were the volunteer "actors" in the Visor exercise, with make-up playing wounded in the exercise scenario (which for some reason were the same as the "real(?)" "event".
someone somewhere
prsionplanet commercially exploits the paranoid
22.07.2005 07:19
magoo
The Desired Effect
22.07.2005 07:54
Order through chaos
The filth and Indymedia
22.07.2005 08:21
Is that right? From personal experience I can say that I have been in a number of court rooms, where "evidence" in the form of reams of posts from IMC UK has been produced by the CPS.
I am also aware of several police investigations where the files were stuffed to the brim with print outs of IMC UK threads.
Of course, I don't claim to have the same level of intimate knowledge of how M15 operates as you do.
What grade are you then?
We should be told.
BRB
...
22.07.2005 09:38
If you think the majority of people here pose a credible threat to the state, you are barking!
Filth: So who do you go to if you get mugged; an anarchist or a policeman?
magoo
magoo
22.07.2005 15:37
You don't need an independent news source - your mind was fully handed over to babylon a long time ago.
The point about IMC is this, it IS used by the law enforcement 'authorities', and it would be naive to go around thinking that M15 weren't watching it. Unless of course you can tell us in your professional capacity that they definitely aren't.
What exactly would be the point of going to the filth if I was mugged? What would it achieve?
Oh and that was a rhetorical question. I'm not the slightest bit interested in your answer.
BRB
spam???
22.07.2005 16:12
magoo
Oh Funny.........
23.07.2005 11:45
I think there's some sort of pot/kettle point to be made here, and perhaps one about folk in glass houses undressing in the basement
Paranoid Pete
Paranoid Pete
23.07.2005 12:16
What about yourself then? You certainly don't express the kind of values refeered to here:
Your defence of the cops gives some insight into this:
"Magoo, Pete, etc. all start from the position that the Police do not generally gun down people without a good idea that they need to.
Wait for the facts. Although the "Police are murderers" lobby may well try to claim that any facts released by the Police as part of their homicidal conspiracy. Sheesh."
So, ignore the facts we already know right? And wait for more to emerge .......
but
then when you come across this statement:
"A more plausible explanation is that they do not want to give away details of their intelligence; especially if they did not want to alert co-conspirators. More plausible, certainly, than people being denounced Franco-style. More plausible than an entire company of paramilitaries stumbling upon a neighbourhood gadje. At least, I hope so. "
your comment is "Seems like a fair enough point."
So, whilst berating us to await "the facts" (we already know that plainclothes 'coppers' shot a man (without a bomb) in the head 5 times on a tube platform) whilst also thinking that it would be fair enough if the cops didn't release more information because of compromising the "intelligence" that led to them shooting a man without a bomb 5x in the head.
What attracts you to IMC UK Paranoid Pete?
Huh?
BRB
Note To Downing St: G8/London bombs
24.07.2005 13:17
Dennis Revell
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Qu'ranic verse error
28.07.2005 12:09
>>MSNBC TV translator Jacob Keryakes, who said that a copy of the message was later >>posted on a secular Web site, noted that the claim of responsibility contained an error in >>one of the Quranic verses it cited. That suggests that the claim may be phony, he said.
The message may or may not be genuine, I don't know. It has plausibility because it mentions the points of the compass and it is true that the bombers seemed to be drawing a cross through London, starting at King's cross.
However, there is still no evidence that the message is genuine.
What concerns me is that the message is being dismissed on the basis of a supposed "error" in a verse.
In fact the error turns out to be a missing "O" at the start of the verse. This could well be a typo, for one thing. Secondly, since "al-qaeda" these days describes an ideological stance rather than an organisation, why expect 100% theological accuracy? Thirdly, a few simple web searches reveal that the verse concerned is often cited in truncated form, including in ayatollah khomeini's last will and testament.
So, you know, not exactly conclusive stuff.
Chatterton
bombs under floors
28.07.2005 12:25
I remember early coverage of the bombings was unclear as to where the bombs were placed. It took a while for the suicide bomber theory to develop, which is compatible with a investigation unearthing evidence.
I think I remember, but can't be sure, reading some accounts which said that it was initially thought bombs could have been placed on the underground lines. I doubt a policemen helping people out of a bombed train would have much clue at that stage about what had happened.
But again, that's compatible with inadequate knowledge early on.
Eyewitness accounts are notorious for inaccuracy, remember that. People simply do not remember basic details even about events which happened in front of their eyes. Bear that in mind too.
Would a bomb in a carriage necessarily mean a hole gaping outwards? I'm not a ballistics expert, but it seems possible that since the force of a blast has to go somewhere, and there's a floor below, you could get a double effect whereby the force creates an inward gaping effect.
Or maybe it's just a twisted wreck, easily confused for an inward hole by terrified eye witnesses.
chatterton
another dubious claim
28.07.2005 12:47
I was also interested in this paragraph in an above posting:
>>Please note that this was given in our local paper.....the Cambridge Evening News on July >>11th.......BEFORE the suicide bombers and the suicide bomb scenario were/was revealed >>to the public.
The Lait's story was widely reported in the media before 11th July, but only the Cambridge Evening News reports their statement that they saw no person, no bag, and thought the carriage floor was blown inwards. But they may have been led to that by the policeman's comment, and they won't necessarily have been observing the position of everything in the carriage.
The police were saying they had no evidence that the attacks were suicide bombings for several days, though the theory is present in the media up to that time and there is a quote from an eyewitness who said he saw a suicide bomber.
By the 12th, it was being reported that forensics thought at least one of the bombings was a suicide attack.
By the 13th, the media is reporting that four men had blown themselves up.
This doesn't seem an implausible train of events, given an ongoing investigation.
chatterton