Consider the facts:
The four knew each other, they had travelled together that day, two from Leeds, a friend from Leeds who had moved to Luton and a Jamaican guy who had recently arrived in Aylesbury.
The four men caught the Thamesmead train from Luton to London, Kings Cross carrying rucksacks. They looked, said a policeman who has seen CCTV footage from Kings Cross Main Hall as though they were going on a walking holiday, smiling and joking.
They split up, three to die within some 20 minutes, the fourth an eighteen year old, another hour later on a bus where he was sat on the back seat upstairs.
Although one of them owned a spanking new, red Mercedes, they rented a car that they left at Luton before proceeding on to London by train. This is a common method for drug couriers to use as the number plate scanning technology used by the police makes drug couriers very vulnerable to being identified.
At least two had criminal records for petty crime, shop-lifting and fraud and two of the men from Leeds had made a few trips to Pakistan, a well known source of heroin (most of the heroin consumed in Europe and the US comes from Afghanistan and much of it trafficked through Pakistan). And the neighbourhood in Leeds where three of the young men came from is a well-known source for drugs.
If we assume they were simply running what they thought were packets of drugs, they may well have done it before, perhaps even have conducted a ‘dry-run’ or two and of course, ‘ask no questions’, just do the run and pick up the bread.
They are given instructions, perhaps to meet someone on the tube or bus, where they have been instructed to hand over the backpacks, perhaps to look for a pre-arranged signal or sign that identifies the recipient. ‘Drop off the packets and pick up your £1000 when you get back’. Easy-peasy, money for old rope as they say. For four young working class men, the allure of quick, easy money is difficult to resist, the perfect patsies.
Assume therefore, that they thought they were carrying drugs, perhaps picking up the packages in Luton for shipment to London. To reduce the possibility of interception, it is quite common to deliver the drugs separately.
The bombs are actually timed to go off at the height of the rush hour and conveniently, the carriers are all killed. No witnesses, no way of tracing back to who set them up. The police are now saying that their ‘handler’ has in all likelihood, already left the country.
The official story is now that no timers were used but an earlier story released by the police, alleged that timers were used (See ‘Timers Used in Blasts, Police Say; Parallels to Madrid Are Found’). If indeed they were actually suicide bombers, we are asked to accept that regardless of where they were on their respective journeys, at precisely 8:50 am, they were to detonate their bombs.
The Time-line
In order for the official story to be credible, we are asked to accept the following scenario:
They appear to have posed (conveniently) for CCTV cameras at Kings Cross station at 8:30am only 20 minutes before three of the explosions (8:50am) and then managed to find their way to three different locations and detonate their bombs within seconds of each other (the bus bomb doesn’t appear to fit the precise nature of timing of the detonations). And remember that cellphones don’t work on the underground network.
Now assuming they went their separate ways and all caught three different trains immediately to the point where the bombs were detonated, could they have planned to do it in 20 minutes (or less)? The average time between stations on the London underground is 4 minutes (some are less, especially those in the centre of town).
Kings Cross to Aldgate is five stations; Kings Cross to Farringdon, Barbican, Moorgate, Liverpool Street and Aldgate on the Circle Line. The bomb actually went off between Liverpool Street and Aldgate. Could the bombers have had the time to get to the station from the mainline station, wait for a train, and get to the scene in less than twenty minutes (this assumes that after being caught on CCTV, they caught a train immediately).
Russell Square is just one stop on the Piccadilly Line. The bomber had to go down two sets of escalators, wait for a train (it’s one of the deepest tube lines in London).
Edgeware Road is four stops, Kings Cross to Euston Square, Great Portland Street, Baker Street and Edgware Road and also on the Circle line but in the opposite direction.
The bomb on the bus
The police have alleged that the fourth bomber intended to catch a Northern Line train but for some reason switched to the bus (the Northern Line also goes through Kings Cross), so why did he switch? Buses are notoriously irregular and given the almost one hour difference in the time of the bus bomb and the police claim that timing devices appear not have been used, what accounts for the difference? Could it be that something went wrong with the timing device? We’ll probably never know. But it seems strange that the bomb went off on the top of the bus and not on the lower deck where it would have done a lot more damage. The main force of the blast seems to have been upwards and the roof is made of light-weight aluminium, designed to do nothing more than keep the weather out. A photo of the bus taken seconds after the blast shows a lot of people standing on the top deck waiting to get off. If the man, the young Jamaican carrying the bomb was a willing participient, surely he would have positioned himself to do the most damage, downstairs, not upstairs and at the back of the bus?
Police sources have told the BBC they had not recovered any timing devices from the bomb scenes, possibly indicating that detonation was by hand
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4676861.stm
Without timing devices what are the odds of all three bombs actually being in a carriage and detonated at exactly the same time? How would they have been able to synchronise them so precisely and know that they were all in position?
Then we have the ease with which the police identified them. Initially, it was assumed that they were all victims of the bombs, but then they become the culprits (BBC news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4678837.stm). How?
What lead the police to finger the four young men on the CCTV footage? The fact that they all had backpacks or that they were Asian and an African-Caribbean? Anyone familar with London will know that lots of people have those really annoying backpacks that whack you on buses and trains, effectively doubling the space a person takes up.
The BBC story, ‘Bomb investigation far from over’ is adamant that
It is almost inconceivable that the four individuals could have acted by themselves.
A group of apparently unknown, mostly very young men like this, might have the intent to “do something” but having the capability of turning that intent to action would require tapping into broader expertise.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4678807.stm
Whilst I agree that they were used, there is nothing in their backgrounds that suggests any connection with so-called extremists, mosques, rogue Imams or whatever. But we are told that
The best evidence for this comes from the explosives used – high grade plastic explosives which are understood not to have been home-made.
These kind of explosives are hard to get hold of in the UK but far easier to get from abroad, in places such as Eastern Europe and the Balkans.
Another source is of course the military and/or security services of any number of countries including the UK.
Most perplexing of all is the fact, admitted by the authorities that the alleged bombers were not on the police’s “radar”. Some reports have suggested that they were ‘sleepers’ but methinks the authors have read too many John le Carré novels?
The authorities have operated on the assumption that the four young men were actually suicide bombers, not dupes, and of course, without the four men to tell their side of the story, it’s all too easy to make the facts fit the theory as it serves the larger ideological objective of the state to present them as ‘fanatics’.
The chain of events therefore seem to point to the fact that the location of the explosions was, to a large degree, pure chance determined only by the instructions given to the four as to where and when to travel to, unaware that it was to be their last trip.
Was it a Mossad Set up?
If the drug running scenario is true there is still the issue of who set them up? One puzzling aspect of the events leading up to the bombings is the story, put out by AP that Binyamin Netanyahu was warned not to leave his hotel room (he was staying at the Great Western Hotel, adjacent to Liverpool Street Station) on the morning of the blasts, the story being pulled later in the day
Report: Israel Was Warned Ahead of First Blast
Arutz Sheva | July 7 2005
(IsraelNN.com) Army Radio quoting unconfirmed reliable sources reported a short time ago that Scotland Yard had intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred.
The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and [sic] economic summit.
At present, train and bus service in London have been suspended following the series of attacks. No terrorist organization has claimed responsibility at this time.
Israeli officials stress the advanced Scotland Yard warning does not in any way indicate Israel was the target in the series of apparent terror attacks.
Mossad has a well-documented history of using bombings to take out opponents or as provocations and to make it look as if they were carried out by someone else, the last being the assassination of Hariri in Beirut, Lebanon that the UN investigation has revealed was a well-planned assassination with the bomb buried under the road well in advance (see ‘How the bomb was planted’). And, they often employ the use of locals to perform their operations.
Of course none of this can be proved, it is conjecture but given all the circumstances, the backgrounds of the four young men and their movements, the timing of the explosions, and importantly, it accounts for why the police’s account has taken so many twists and turns. Initially, we were told that the bombs were detonated by timers and that no suicide bombers were involved. The change of story makes sense if we assume that the four young men were not aware that they were carrying bombs. The police have taken the evidence and used it to fit a pre-determined scenario.
The government of course is making use of the event to get even more repressive measures passed, and was quick to blame al-Qu’eda and the ‘international terror network’ for the deadly attacks.
_______________________________________________
Mohammed Hanif, 31, and Abdul Mateen, 22, from Deeplish in Rochdale were caught in Glasgow with 10kg of the drug, worth £1 million in street deals. Hanif claimed that Mateen had driven him to Glasgow to collect £500 owed to him for a car by another Asian.
Strathclyde Police drug squad detectives, acting on a tip-off, arrested the pair and found the drugs in a car boot.
news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1162&id=1453462004
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Some good research and thinking here!
16.07.2005 01:03
We need to find out what organisation hired the Visor company to do an anti-terrorism simulation exercise at the same times and places as bombs went off. That would tell us a lot about who was behind this propaganda operation...or at least who knew it was going to happen.
The cover-up doesn't seem so complete as it was in the US after 9/11. There was NO real forensic investigation of all the explosives that went off in the WTC on 9/11. Whereas in this case, some competent explosives experts seem to have promptly arrived on the scene....the problem is that what they had to say seems to have been quickly forgotten by the spinners of the official myth!
It wouldn't surprise me if some Scotland Yard insider who is old enough to retire, so he doesn't have to worry about losing his job, will come forward one of these days to blow the whistle on the cover-up.
This was a propaganda operation timed to conveniently coincide with the G8 meetings. It was an "inside job" requiring some moles in the security apparatus, though who was really behind it is not clear. But it is Governments which increase their power through the Power of Nightmares.
A friend accross the waters
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Curiouser and Curiousor
16.07.2005 09:46
You'd simply need the investigative capacity to know where the stuff would end up - providing you didn't already know because your people also move illegal drugs ...
Who Produces Heroin?
Who makes the heroin?
16.07.2005 14:47
After the invasion (or call it what you will) most of the farmers have returned to their traditional cash crop, and although the Americans have not stopped production (more than enough else on their hands) it would be wrong to suggest that they are in any meaningful way responsible.
Boab
Great Comments
16.07.2005 15:57
Agree with David K also re Visor and the anti-terrorism simulation exercise. Note how this was reported on the morning of the blast bus suspiciously the newspapers contain little to no information about it. Also note that Visor is a company run by Peter Powers who is ex head of Scotland Yard as far as I understand. Not that I'm implying anything sinister of course.
It should also be noted from http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/07/318370.html that apparently the no 30 was rerouted after the the other blasts that day. No other bus was rerouted in London.
From the moment the attacks occurred I couldn't work out why a suspected suicide bomber would sit on the top half of the bus unless he wasn't aware he was a suicide bomber.
Further details need to be known of the bus bomber's whereabouts after the CCTV footage and before the bus explosion. Did the alleged bomber make his journey and not meet his drop off? Clearly this would happen should there be a problem with the timer?
His device was supposed to explode at the same time as the others I would assume as if these so-called extremists had planned an attack on the bus services after an attack on the underground then surely more than one bomber would have been chosen for this purpose?
Most worrying of all, in addition to all of this, is the fact that Richard Jones, 61, told ‘The Sun’ newspaper that he had been on the Number 30 bus, travelling from Hackney to Marble Arch, when he saw a man continuously fiddling with something in a bag.
Mr Jones told the newspaper that the man looked ‘nervous’ and was “continually diving into his bag, rummaging round and looking in it”.
Mr Jones got off the bus just before it exploded.
Why would a suicide bomber rummage around nervously in his bag? Why would he continually do it to arouse suspicion?
Would you get yourself into a blind panic over the bomb not going off? Or would you get yourself into a blind panic if you went to drop off the drugs and their was no-one there? Would you get yourself into an even bigger panic when you opened the bag to see what was inside?
Luckily for Mr Jones he had the luck to get off the bus or maybe he was also given a call by Scotland Yard?!!
A less believable scenario than 9/11 - I never thought it possible!!
Alan
e-mail: morningbell@boltblue.com
True or not? Always ask
16.07.2005 18:50
Even though most conspiracy theories are probably untrue, if there are valid questions to be asked then they should be asked.
Religious extremists or people manipulating us? either way they're both scary to believe.
BobC
Clear up this issue.
16.07.2005 19:07
Which way up or down it's route was the bus going, surely someone can tell us for sure?
A. Lexicon
Why would a suicide bomber...
16.07.2005 19:21
Delete as appropriate:
A Problem with the mechanism
B Crapping it because he's about to blow himself to Kingdom come.
I mean its hardly conclusive proof, is it?
Magoo Fan
Some useful points..
16.07.2005 22:55
Also, the police never said it definately wasn't a suicide bomber, they did the whole neither confirming nor denying thing, although they did make it sound like they were more inclined to believe it wasn't suicide bombers.
Sean
Clarifications
16.07.2005 23:48
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/13a6c158-f597-11d9-8ffc-00000e2511c8.html
Secondly, the alleged bombers may very well have been unwitting patsies in a staged false-flag operation, as Scotland Yard now admits:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=8&u=/nm/20050716/ts_nm/security_britain_suicide_dc
"Police have not yet definitively established that four men who carried bombs on to London's transport network intended to die in last week's blasts, a Scotland Yard spokesman said on Saturday."
Elementary My Dear Watson
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Yes, but
17.07.2005 03:14
1) The timings to Aldgate and Edgware Road are consistent with catching a train from Kings Cross at that time. From my experience the circle line 'bombers' must have left the thameslink station and walked to the circle line above ground, rather than using the link tunnel, which would have taken longer.
2) The timing for the piccadilly line train initially seems odd; why didn't the guy get further? Well, at 8.30am at Kings Cross you will wait a good 10 minutes just to get onto a train. If we assume this guy also went above ground rather than through the link tunnel, then this would add to that. (Getting to the circle line above ground would be quicker, but getting to the piccadilly line would take longer).
3) Buses in central London can in no way be described 'irregular'. You would need to stand outside Kings Cross or Euston for no time at all before a bus showed up. You may wait a little longer for a *specific* bus but would he care which it was? I'd (for once) agree with the police that this man's movements between 8.30 and 9.45 are of great relevance.
The link tunnel is an interesting question; why would they go above ground? Well, IIRC it's (rightly) only signposted for the Pic/Vic/Northern lines as getting to the circle line through the tunnel means going right down to the Piccadilly line depth and up again the other side, through a congested station. Additionally, if you're not that familiar with the Thameslink station and it's really busy (like at 8.30am) then it's easy enough to miss the link tunnel altogether and go straight out the exit.
As to your next question, which may well be "how come it takes 10 minutes to get onto a piccadilly line train and not a circle line train?", the answer is that I can't say exactly *why* but in my experience this is definitely the case. I'd *speculate* that circle line trains are bigger, there are more of them, and that more people transfer from mainline at Kings Cross to the deep lines, simply because of the direction they go.
Paul
proof Israeli radio?
17.07.2005 10:39
The time of the initial message: "Published: 12:34 July 07, 2005"; can you show this is London time before the bombings took place?
If not, do you have tape recordings of an earlier radiobroadcast, that proofs this?
If not, are you trying to get them?
Ali
Bus camera sabotaged?
17.07.2005 10:48
http://www.infowars.com/articles/London_attack/stagecoach_employee_bus_bomb_suspicious.htm
"...
The driver notes the following about CCTV maintainence.
"CCTV gets maintained at least 2 or 3 times a week and can digitally store upto 2 whole weeks worth of footage. this is done by a private contractor....So when I heard that the CCTV wasn't working on a vehicle that's no more than 2 years old since last June.....I'm sorry that's rubbish, I work for the company I know different."
Also a point of interest....last saturday a contractor came to inspect the CCTV on the buses at the depot, According to my supervisor the person spent more than 20 hours over that weekend, 20 hours to see if the CCTV is working? Also that person who came was not a regular contractor, for security reasons the same few people always come to the depot to carry out work, this time it was different.
Drivers in the depot already think the so called bombers had inside help because it was to organised. Some even think it had help from the company."
I have received other information suggesting that the CCTV is regularly maintained and checked. The police pay the bus company to check it, and the bus company makes a substantial profit out of this, so all parties benefit from keeping the CCTV systems working.
..."
Ali
Iran ayatollah says Blair government could have bombed London + BBC doc Al Qaeda
17.07.2005 11:06
"...
Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, who heads the powerful Guardian Council, the unelected constitutional watchdog, said, “At times they blame this London bombings as the work of Al’Qaeda. Al’Qaeda means United States President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair who were the mothers of Al’Qaeda and brought to life this illegitimate child”.
“There exists the possibility that the British government carried out this work, like the possibility [of American involvement] in the September 11 affair, since they themselves stand to benefit the most”, Jannati said.
Jannati is a close confidant of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Iran’s newly-elected President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is widely seen as Jannati’s protégé.
The July 7 multiple bombings in London’s underground railways and a city bus left at least 54 people dead and close to 1,000 people injured.
“The British government stood to gain the most from the London bombings, so that they could tell their people not to protest against their war on terrorism”, the senior ayatollah said.
Jannati’s comments echoed a similar speech at last week’s Friday prayers’ sermon by Ayatollah Mohammad Emami-Kashani, who blamed the bombings on the West.
The Organisation of al-Qaeda's Jihad in Europe, an al-Qaeda offshoot, claimed responsibility for the attacks, but Emami-Kashani said that the West, in particular the United States and Israel, carried the responsibility. “You who speak of al-Qaeda’s Islamic and terrorist nature, have you forgotten who are the mother and father of al-Qaeda”, the senior cleric questioned, in an address to the United Kingdom and the British Prime Minister Tony Blair. “Al-Qaeda’s father is in the White House and its mother is despotic Israel”. "
[HR]
The Power of Nightmares: The Shadows In The Cave
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3970901.stm
"
The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the series, the programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits from it.
...
But the nightmare vision of a uniquely powerful hidden organisation waiting to strike our societies is an illusion.
Wherever one looks for this al-Qaeda organisation, from the mountains of Afghanistan to the "sleeper cells" in America, the British and Americans are chasing a phantom enemy.
But the reason that no-one questions the illusion is because this nightmare enemy gives so many groups new power and influence in a cynical age - and not just politicians.
Those with the darkest imaginations have now become the most powerful.
In part one, the programme looked at the origins of the neo-conservatives and the radical Islamists in the 1950s.
The second part of the series examined how the radical Islamists and neo-conservatives came together to defeat the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
The final part has been updated in the wake of the Law Lords ruling in December that detaining foreign terrorist suspects without trial was illegal. "
Ali
Hughe terror excercise when it happened, where it happened
17.07.2005 11:19
Compilation interviews (short) - RealMedia 954K
http://prisonplanet.com/Pages/Jul05/160705web_of_deceit.html
As we revealed last week, on the very morning of the Bombings, a consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations.
On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch, now Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company.
Power was quoted as saying "At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now"
Beyond the unbelievable "coincidence" of this scenario, the very fact that the bombs in the drill were simultaneous is a smoking gun because almost a week went by before it was revealed that the bombs had gone off simultaneously.
The importance of this drill cannot be understated. This is precisely what happened on the morning of 9/11/2001. The CIA was conducting drills of flying hijacked planes into the WTC and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning. The two scenarios are comparable in that it is a tried and tested method of navigating around the everyday security services, and, more importantly, if the perpetrators get caught during the attack or after with any incriminating evidence they can just claim that they were just taking part in an exercise.
Peter Power has since toned down his claims in further interviews, changing his story of the drill to make it seem less identical to the real attacks. He has also issued a statement via e-mail in response to the thousands of requests he is receiving demanding clarity on the issue, that reemphasizes his backing away from his original "precisely" comment.
It seems that Power may feel he is in too deep and is backing away from the whole incident. This is probably due to the fact that Power himself and his company are not directly involved in the bombings, they have simply been used as a tool in a larger operation.
Power has been hired by the government before and he is always used to release information after terrorist incidents in London.
Two previous examples of this are the March 2001 BBC television center bombing and the September 2000 rocket attack on the MI6 building.
Was Power again used by the government as a conduit for information that would support their official version of events?
Power's comments (below) seem to suggest that his company was somehow involved in the response to the ACTUAL attacks, so if they were not working on behalf of London Underground or the Government then how were they allowed to be actively involved at multiple crime scenes?
In short, our exercise (which involved just a few people as crisis managers actually responding to a simulated series of activities involving, on paper, 1000 staff) quickly became the real thing and the players that morning responded very well indeed to the sudden reality of events.
Power is named among the elite of the Business Continuity (BC) community, he has regularly appeared on the BBC, covering terror incidents, as the "expert" when it comes to managing the crisis. He is also referred to extensively in a working paper on BC issued by the Bank of England, HM Treasury and FSA and has written for the British Bankers Association. His former clients make for interesting reading, they being JP Morgan Chase, ING, Mellon, Lloyds TSB, Morley Fund Management, Bank of New York, Arcadia Group, FCO and Universal Music.
Power has also spent time on the Advisory Board to the Canadian Centre for Emergency Preparedness(CCEP). This is significant due to the fact that a key member of that board was Richard Sheirer, Senior Vice President of Giuliani & Partners. Here they are listed together.
Sheirer was intimately involved along with Guiliani in the "crisis management" on 9/11. Giuliani himself was in London on 7th July after traveling down from Yorkshire from a speaking engagement at the Local Government Association conference in Harrogate, where he received a standing ovation for praising Tony Blair and hyping the war on terror.
Giuliani was also coincidentally only "yards from Liverpool Street station when the bombs went off." and later that day went on several TV networks saying that the crisis management teams (Peter Power's team, or so he would have us believe) seemed like they were expecting the bombing to take place.
Giuliani has met several times with government and police officials in London since 9/11.
CIA connections
The web of deceit extends further and the connections deepen when you take a look at the background of the Commissioner of Transport for London, Bob Kiley. Kiley also has connections with Giuliani.
During his time as President and CEO of the New York City Partnership, the city's leading business and civic organization, Kiley came into contact with Giuliani regularly, and was even backed by Giuliani as a candidate for city schools chancellor. Kiley was also a member of Giuliani's "Mayoral Task Force on Tax Reduction and Restructuring" in 1999. The two are also connected through New York City’s deputy mayor for economic development and rebuilding (after 9/11), Daniel Doctoroff, whom Kiley introduced to Giuliani.
Kiley was also an advisory to the Mayor's office on traffic management in New York, suggesting "eliminating toll booths and just putting transponders on every car's license plate. That way, motorists would automatically be charged ever time they rode on a heavily traveled bridge or tunnel -- or even a highway or major street -- during a time of peak usage."
Early in his career Kiley was tapped by the CIA and quickly became Manager of Intelligence Operations and then Executive Assistant to the Director. Kiley served under Richard Helms, who was appointed CIA director after JFK was taken out. Helms was the only director to have been convicted of lying to Congress over CIA undercover activities and served time in prison. He was heavily involved in the cover up of the MK ULTRA project. As his Executive Assistant, this means Kiley was also intimately involved.
Kiley is also incidentally a Member of the Council on Foreign Relations. We should be asking ourselves why is this CIA activist and high member of the Establishment, in charge of London's Transport network?
The Establishment have their mits all over this latest staged attrocity, you can carry on probing deeper into the rabbit hole and you always come across the same elite figures and organizations, hiding in every darkened nook and cranny.
It's a certainty that as the weeks and months go by more and more questionable connections will emerge.
Stay Tuned.
Ali
But Ali...
18.07.2005 10:50
Really? How peculiar. They (the Police) don't do it on the busses anywhere else, as far as I know. I'd love to see your evidence. Please.
Boab
Power...
18.07.2005 20:02
artaud
Brown-skinned people can outfox us
18.07.2005 21:55
I am sorry, I just laugh every time I see that quote.
>> http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=85340
Does this have any link to the claim that Sharon turn to… who was it? Bibi?… and said, live on air, that “he should not worry about the Americans because we Jews control it, and they know it”? If so, it is bollocks.
Poison Ali cut_and_paste ==> The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the series, the programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits from it
Have you, in fact, watched this series? If so, it passed straight over your head. Yes, Adam Curtis claimed that the politicos used images of a nebulous fear to rein us in; bin Laden as a malevolant will o' the wisp. They would take comparitively minor events and attach almost cosmic levels of importance to them.
Yes. What Curtis did *not* say was these events were engineered by the politicos in the first place. Sixty years ago the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour (hell, I did not even know Miss Harbour was in the war). Until his dying day, McArthur remained convinced that German officers were in command that day. Because he, like many of the theorists I suspect, could not believe that a raggle-taggle of dusky-coloured foreigners could strike in the heart of the American industrial-military complex.
Alec
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19.07.2005 15:07
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This might hurt a little
19.07.2005 18:16
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/heartsandminds/ifyouaskme/images/15-05-03cartoon8.gif
Alec
Was it suicide?
21.07.2005 20:24
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15742951&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=was-it-suicide---name_page.html
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the story changes
28.07.2005 10:57
Has nobody considered the possibility that the police story might change over time because, er, they find out more stuff over time?
It seems unlikely the bombings were carried out as a "false flag", because they may well lead to a hardening of public skepticism of involvement in imperialist wars and opposition to putting "British lives" at risk. The Madrid bombings led to the replacement of a government.
In the case, there has long been public support for highly restrictive measures like ID cards etc, and I don't see that a false flag bombing would be required for that purpose.
Also, Blair won an election (badly, but did win it) a couple of months ago. He doesn't have to worry about the electorate for several years yet (and may not even be standing then).
So if we're asking "who benefits", it's not clear that the government does.
Chatterton
chatterton
Mllllaaarrr
06.04.2006 12:03
Quick, get your tin foil hat on and hide under the bed.
NSA