Indymedia Birmingham, UK | Open Letter On Situation In Birmingham

IMC=SWP

04.08.2003 14:40

SWP run IMC, all in it together with their Muslim mates, look how they delete stories about blacks + Asians and are always totally biased against BNP!

Trust No One

Because

04.08.2003 14:44

It's already been posted tube.

Still you are making the BNP happy.

Sonic

So Now It Makes You A Fascist To Not Be In The SWP??

04.08.2003 15:27

'sonic' get a life: do you *really* think that criticism of the SWP by those of us who aint Leninist prats makes US bnp? I think you'll find that its your mob that share the same attitudes as the bnp on women and gays (and a fair amount of antisemitism too..)

Chesney Hawkes

Chesney

04.08.2003 15:28

The comment was aimed at the post above mine.

Amazingly enough not every post in im is about you, hard to accept I know, but thats how it is.

Sonic

Oh and bye the way

04.08.2003 15:30

"think you'll find that its your mob that share the same attitudes as the bnp on women and gays"

So now the Scottish Socialist party is anti-semitic homophobic and sexist is it?

You really should get a life.

Sonic

Duplicated postings

04.08.2003 15:33

As far as I understand it this is a duplicate posting of:

article from a short while ago which was not hidden and was discussed at length.

Duplicates will be hidden. It may not show up on the show all posts wire immediately as this seems to be generated at a different rate to the front page.

Hope this helps

ekes

Why Sue Is Right

04.08.2003 15:34

It has to be said that the link is an excellent and objective view of the situation

Dont let prats like 'sonic' (who is a SWP fulltimer) put you off the link is NOT broken (he says that about all postings that dont worship the Hitlerite SWP)

BTW: sonic 'your mob' clearly refers to the SWP and SW 'Platform' in Scotland..

go back to university mommys boy

Chris B

Duplicate Postings

04.08.2003 15:39

Sorry my mistake:

https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/07/274905.html

is a *different* issue albeit tangentally related..

eke

er

04.08.2003 15:40

"Dont let prats like 'sonic' (who is a SWP fulltimer"

Am I, well thats nice to know. although as I am not a member of their party that might be a bit of a problem!

Tell me Chris, just where do you find these pearls of information?

Sonic

Lets Get Back To The Issue

04.08.2003 15:54

Leaving aside the 'smokescreen' idiocies of 'sonic' lets focus on the real issues raised by this item. I for one am very disturbed that Rumy was denied the chance to speak on the grounds that he was a socialist from a muslim background who opposses political alliances with the Mosque rulers as oppossed to working class Muslims

George

Sorry

04.08.2003 15:55

george u are right: please forgive this 'eager' revolutionary..i guess i believe in the swp so much i react emotionally when it gets criticised..

sonic

Oh I see

04.08.2003 15:58

Someone saying the SWP are "Hitlerites" and I am a fulltimer is fine, yet anything I say is a "Smokescreen"?

I assume then you agree that the SWP is a nazi organisation?

They lost a vote in a meeting, happens all the time. I have put forward a solution though, this little lefty group all get 5 votes each so they can always win anything they want in a meeting

Good idea?

Sonic

just stop it!

04.08.2003 15:59

For fucks sake!!

Gerk/OMH/whoever: Okay, we get it! You don't like the SWP, you reckon they've sold out, are sexist and homophobic and beat people up. You've said it all OVER and OVER and OVER again! Just buy a fucking gun and go kill em will you, stop spamming a news service.

And Sonic: If you really are SWP/SSP/whatever, get smart and stop feeding the troll! Can't you see it's what they want?

fedupnow

Post apoligising is a fake

04.08.2003 16:00

*sigh* what a clever hacker you are, how do you pull such an amazing tick of typing someoner elses name in the name field, it is truly amazing (although your inablity to find the shift key slightly lets you down)

I wonder if you are one of the people always wittering on about the need for proper debate?

Sonic

Fairynuff

04.08.2003 16:02

Fair enough Fedupnow, you have a point.

It's just some of this b*llocks pretending to be politics gets right up my hedgehog nose, I thought Imight be able to conduct an argument, but it's obviously not on with these people.

Sonic

Will you lot please fuck off

04.08.2003 16:39

I like many users of IMC DONT GIVE TWO FECKS ABOUT THE SITUATION BETWEEN
THE SECTARIAN LEFT IN BIRMINGHAM AND WHO IS ISLAMAPHOBIC OR WHO IS HOMOPHOBIC
OR SEXIST .THIS SITE IS FOR NEWS NOT FOR ONE GROUP TO SCORE POINTS OF OTHERS
DONT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SITES TO DO THIS?

Dr feelgood

Re: last comment...

04.08.2003 17:03

My feelings exactly.

Thomas J

Nobody cares about student swp wankers or mummie's boy BNP nazis

04.08.2003 21:37

You're right nobody is in the slightest bit interested in student wanker swp or mummies boy BNP. If we study the background of an swp moron, we find they are from similar middle class mummies boy backgrounds as BNP binky old boy nazis. Many right wing muslims share similar beliefs as nazis and BNP members. Many harp pn insanely about a conspiracy by international jewry, when in fact there is a conspiracy by money grabbing born again jimmy swaggart gentile aryan fukwits, like George bush and his right wing saudi al ciaeda mates.

Cleo's tan

dissapointed

04.08.2003 22:06

just very fucking dissapointed with all of you really. was looking for a thread to read on im, nothing unusual really, and woh, its filled with you sad fuckers. im sure none of you are nazis and are all very fucking angry with this shit system so why waste your time and my time with this. leave im to what it should be. a newswire. fuck off elsewhere for your playground spats.

dissapointed

WTF?

04.08.2003 22:49

fedupnow tells me to "stop it". Er, haven't actually contributed ANYTHING on this thread until now. Which is obviously a source of great shame for me, given the penetrating depths of analysis here.

But, as it goes, if and when there's something I think important about the SWP's trashing of democracy and its implications for the left in the UK, I'll post it. If you're not interested, cool, don't read it.

But don't be telling me what is or isn't news, ta very much.

Ol Mutha Hubbard

Thanks For Missing Me

05.08.2003 08:05

Er i hadnt contributed to this thread either but as you were missing me so much im just saying hello...

The issue on the link (which *sigh* sonic is not broken) is important one for people who are active in the antiwar movement. Maybe you all live in vacuums with antiwar campaigns that are free from the swp's thuggery but in bham and many other places its not..

The issue is NOT that they won a vote as thats democracy but all the things that they did to win it which include:

*smearing anyone who disagrees with their dropping of antisexist and antihomophobic principles as 'racist'

*smearing anyone who opposes their attempt to transmute the antiwar movement into a politcal party based upon the mosque heirarchy as 'islamophobic'

*their physical attacks on people that disagree with them (and *yawn* put 'physical attack' in the search if you dont believe me)

Bet if the SWP had send they are going to transmute the antiwar movement into a racist one (as opposed to 'merely' a sexist and homophobic one) you wouldnt all be sitting on your lard arses

gerk francis
mail e-mail: gerkfrancis@hotmail.com

Not a cover

05.08.2003 09:09

there is no cover up except in the warped minds of some
people ,This story has been on indymedia at least once every week
for the past month (check the history) with the same people shouting
the same stuff over and over again.It is news in the fact that it once was news
now it has become a subject i am sure will be debated amongst the sectarian
english left where it shuld be .It shouldnt becoming back every week for the same
drivel to be spouted by the same people aka,sonic, francis,old mother amongst others .
i suggest you lot set up a forum of youre own.

bored stupid

'english' left??

05.08.2003 10:03

whats that mean 'english' left: you think that if the SWP cause trouble then its all down to some 'english' sectarian gene? Who defines whats english? sounds suspiciously like racism to me

tommy shop'em sherridan

What could we call this new forum then?

05.08.2003 10:14

www.sad-sectarians.org.uk

www.letters-to-weekly-worker-are-proof-honest.net

www.weallhatetheswpanderthatsit.com

www.ineffectualposterstogetalife.tv

Sonic

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So Now It Makes You A Fascist To Not Be In The SWP??

Chesney

Oh and bye the way

Duplicated postings

Why Sue Is Right

Duplicate Postings

er

Lets Get Back To The Issue

Sorry

Oh I see

just stop it!

Post apoligising is a fake

Fairynuff

Will you lot please fuck off

Re: last comment...

Nobody cares about student swp wankers or mummie's boy BNP nazis

dissapointed

WTF?

Thanks For Missing Me

Not a cover

'english' left??

What could we call this new forum then?

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