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Anti-Fracking Protesters deny attacking a Police Helicopter

A | 07.01.2014 19:07 | Energy Crisis | Liverpool

The anti-fracking protest camp at Barton Moss in Manchester was yesterday (06/01/2014) overun by Greater Manchester police who have alleged that just after midnight (04/01/2014) a flare was fired at or into the path of a police helicopter landing at nearby Barton Aerodrome. Protesters reject the claim that a flare was fired from the protest site...

The anti-fracking protest camp at Barton Moss in Manchester was yesterday (06/01/2014) overun by Greater Manchester police, who sought to intimidate campaigners and split the growing consensus between protesters and local residents to resist the further destruction of our environment by these money and power hungry capitalists.

GM Police have alleged that a flare was fired at or in to the path of a low flying police helicopter. They have used this to obtain search warrants to 'search' the protesters tents, and to also launch a PR campaign to split the growing relationship between local residents and protesters.

The following is a report from a local 'independent' online news source that includes direct quotes from protesters:

“Barton Moss protesters 'reject absolutely' helicopter flare claim
By Tom Rodgers

Campaigners at Frack Free Greater Manchester say the claim that protesters fired a flare at a police helicopter is a bare-faced lie and an excuse to search tents by Greater Manchester Police.
Police say a flare was fired into the approach path of a police helicopter landing at City Airport Barton in the early hours of Saturday 4 January.

It repeats a similar claim made by GMP on New Year's Eve that someone from the camp fired a flare at a police helicopter.

Ch Supt Roberts continued: "An attack on the police of this nature has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not exploratory drilling is right or wrong.

"Whilst I recognise the genuine concerns of many of the protesters in relation to exploratory drilling, it is obvious that there is also an element of regular protesters from outside the Greater Manchester area who seem more interested in seeking confrontation with the police."

But protesters on site say the claim is bogus and that no flare gun will be found.

Speaking to SalfordOnline.com from Barton Moss Road where three women have this morning chained themselves to concrete blocks, Brian, who has lived in Irlam for four years and has a tent on site, said: "If there has been someone firing 'flares' at helicopters it's probably a local kid with a firework.

"Police have been in and out of tents already - illegally - so this is just their way of searching on their own terms."

Rachel Thompson from Frack Free Greater Manchester told SalfordOnline.com today: "We refute absolutely these claims.

"We've not seen any evidence to prop this up, and until we do, it appears to be an excuse to show the camp in a bad light and to be able to get a warrant to search the camp."

Campaigners pointed out the "outrageous" and "aggressive" tactics employed by Greater Manchester Police throughout the campaign.

Sacha Conway, who is currently living at the camp, denied the claims and said: "No flare was fired from this camp on Saturday or any other day. We would condem any such action as aggressive, violent and in breach of our very strict safe spaces policy. We are peaceful people who wish to stop the destruction of this land by IGas and all of the other fracking companies."

Around 50 anti-fracking protesters are permanently stationed in tents on Barton Moss Road, some 200 yards from the entrance to the coal-bed methane and shale gas test drilling site currently occupied by energy firm IGas.

In recent weeks protests against the drilling have been stepped up, with protesters complaining about multiple arrests at Swinton police station, one man locking himself by the neck to a lorry on Barton Moss Road.

Protesters, or protectors, as they prefer to be known, are campaigning against the likely fracking that will occur in Salford if IGas are successful in finding shale gas during their drilling tests."

 http://salfordonline.com/localnews_page/47446-barton_moss_protesters_reject_absolutely_helicopter_flare_claim.html

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Unfortunately

08.01.2014 14:02


The sad fact is that quite often legitimate camps can be a magnet for alcoholics, people with severe mental health disorders, people who have no genuine interest in the issues and people who simply think it funny to disrupt other people's hard work

It's a shame.

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Time to fess up

08.01.2014 17:02

Well Rachel Thompson can in her words "refute absolutely these claims" but the cruel truth is that several of us know who did this, why it was done and the reasons behind the present cover up (bad PR in short).

There are simply too many people who saw it happen to try and claim it was a cop fit up when it wasn't. I'm not in any way defending what the cops did and I was one of those who had their tent turned over by them but IMHO we are better off telling the truth, booting out the twat who did it (without informing cops of course) and moving on. This issue is too important to let it become another 'Us v Cops' slanging match (climate camp ! ) that obscures the important reason for the protesting.

Fracking objector


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@ Fracking objector

09.01.2014 12:57

Perhaps before writing the post here you could have consided the effect on the campaign of the negative publicity that will result. The individual considered is no longer with the group so nothing is served giving the media a stck to beat us with.

Rachel


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For Rachel

09.01.2014 16:08

So Rachel when you were previously quoted as saying "I refute absolutely these claims" were you lying or misquoted ?

I doubt that many people will understand your reasoning for trying to cover this up, it happened - deal with it.

Marc


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10.01.2014 11:13

My comments are no longer relevant as the individual has left.

Please stop talking about this, it does not serve the needs of the protest

Rachel


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"it does not serve the needs of the protest "

10.01.2014 15:15

And your lying about it and getting caught does ?

The campaign against fracking is up against a lot of very well funded and slick PR companies who are looking for exactly this type of story, "extremists attack police" "lies from fracking camp" etc etc etc. You would have been better off throwing the idiot out, saying yes it happened but that the camp had acted as a unit and expelled the person responsible rather than lying, getting caught out and then trying to cover up the lie once you had been exposed.

If you are not a media aware person then find someone who is and funnel press statements and comment through them.

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Rachel

10.01.2014 15:31


It seems that you are contradicting yourself a bit. This may be well intentioned but it will destroy people's trust in you and possibly damage the campaign.

If the person has left, then that's good, but these things must be dealt with in a way that is inclusive and honest.
Best Wishes

experienced activist


There was no flare fired

10.01.2014 18:37

Hi all,

The person posting under the name Rachel is a troll and is not the Rachel Thompson mentioned in the article. Unfortunately, anybody can post under any name on here. No flare has ever been fired from Barton Moss Protection Camp and we are now in discussions with lawyers over the actions of Greater Manchester Police.

Frack Free Greater Manchester

(promoted by IMCista -  http://frackfreegtrmanchester.org.uk/greater-manchesters-finest-fall-for-obvious-spoof-on-indymedia/)

Frack Free Gtr Manchester
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News to me !

11.01.2014 09:26

So somebody claiming to bye from Frack Free Greater Manchester says that no flare was fired and that "we" are considering legal action ?

Well that's fucking news to me sitting here in the camp right now !

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Shouldn't be news to you if you are on camp

11.01.2014 13:09

If you were actually on camp this wouldn't be news to you, what would have been news would be that there was a flare, considering it did not happen. Feel free to ask anybody else on camp about the legal action as we have a pretty good team of lawyers working on it.

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Better tactics needed.

13.01.2014 12:04

From talking to people at the camp that I know it's clear there was a flare, nobody denies that anymore however it may or may not have come from the camp but the balance of probility is that it did.

Even if it came from the field next door or a nearby house the police are going to come and turn you over, that's just par for the course with their mindset but what bothers me is that you have allowed yourselves to be sucked into the media "He did that. she said this" game that they love so much while the message about fracking is lost in the noise of the dispute with the police.

Your understanding of the media and their needs is very poor and I echo the views of another poster here who suggested you find a better media liason person.

Terri


look at plebgate for what happens when you get caught lying

13.01.2014 19:21

>> Police have been in and out of tents already - illegally - so this is just their way of searching on their own terms."
Doubtful it was illegal. Police have powers to search without a warrant if they think someone is trying to kill someone else.

>> Rachel Thompson from Frack Free Greater Manchester told SalfordOnline.com today: "We refute absolutely these claims.
Interesting

>> The sad fact is that quite often legitimate camps can be a magnet for alcoholics, people with severe mental health disorders, people who have no genuine interest in the issues and people who simply think it funny to disrupt other people's hard work
Yep, how true. I can't agree anymore.

>> There are simply too many people who saw it happen to try and claim it was a cop fit up when it wasn't.
Ahhhhh. So it is common practice for protestors to "fit up" cops by lying is it?
No wonder many of the public distruct anything protestors or police say. Bad as each other when it comes to actually telling the truth. All just politics and manipulation.

>> Perhaps before writing the post here you could have consided the effect on the campaign of the negative publicity that will result. The individual considered is no longer with the group so nothing is served giving the media a stck to beat us with.

So they "were" with the group when the flare was fired then? Meaning that it would be a truthful statement to say "a protestor fired a flare at a police helicopter".

>> So Rachel when you were previously quoted as saying "I refute absolutely these claims" were you lying or misquoted ?
Nothing worse than being caught out lying to the public. You need to look no further than the plebgate incident to figure that one out.

>> Please stop talking about this, it does not serve the needs of the protest
Rachel
Too late. It is going to be talked about whether you like it or not.


>> If you are not a media aware person then find someone who is and funnel press statements and comment through them.
Too late that quotes and statements are out there.

>> It seems that you are contradicting yourself a bit. This may be well intentioned but it will destroy people's trust in you and possibly damage the campaign.
Nothing worse for destroying any trust. People will just read it and go "liar"

Mitchell


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Rachel Thompson - A statement from Frack Free Gtr Manchester

14.01.2014 08:29

Rachel Thompson has been doing inspiring and dedicated work as the press liasion person for for the Frack Free Manchester campaign but following a period of intense stress has decided following a meeting yesterday evening to step down from the role.

We wish her and partner the very best of luck for the future as they have decided to take a step back from the campaign and spend some time at a Vegan contemplative retreat in France to re-energise.

A new press liasion person will be announced very shortly.

Thank you

Frack Free Greater Manchester.

Frack Free Gtr Manchester
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For the best

14.01.2014 10:36

In reference to the statement,

"has decided following a meeting yesterday evening to step down from the role. "

This is clearly for the best, good luck with the replacement

Supportive bystander


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Good luck

14.01.2014 10:51

We all appreciate the excellent work that Rachel has been doing and people need to understand the strain that comes with PR work. It's easy to be critical because she made a mistake and lied but that can sometimes seem the right tactic when dealing with scumbag journos, after all politicians and big business do it all the time !

Some time recharging the batteries is just what is needed and I understand they are going to the Les Passeroses retreat in South West France which I can reccomend for calm rest.

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trolls

14.01.2014 16:04

Hi all and Greater Manchester's 'finest',

Please be aware of trolls, comments on this site are not moderated. This in turn can lead to some very embarrassing scenarios such as the one that GMP have found themselves in today.

Our guess is that the majority of the posts above are made by a sad, little troll who maybe has some basic hacking skills.

Here is our official response and a line by line showing which are real and which aren't:  http://frackfreegtrmanchester.org.uk/greater-manchesters-finest-fall-for-obvious-spoof-on-indymedia/

Well done GMP for giving the pathetic little troll the publicity they craved. They emailed us a few times from closed down email accounts and hidden IP's but we ignored them because we aren't that stupid.

FFGM

P.s Rachel isn't our press liaison, that is a role that is shared by many people and judging by her latest comments on FB she is in Manchester laughing at the troll and GMP's stupidity not on a vegan retreat in France.

Frack Free Greater Manchester


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The Truth...

15.01.2014 13:59

With a heavy heart, I can confirm that a flare was fired. Whilst I have been removed from protesting twice by the police (due to health and safety issues regarding my age) I am aware of the cover up going on by a select few people.

Tom Rogers despite his best efforts of coercion is aware of the incident and the individual involved - they have now been removed from the camp.

Please people lets get rid of these selfish individuals so we can concentrate on the campaign at hand....

Anne Power


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The flare

15.01.2014 16:06

1 - yes there was a flare fired at the helicopter

2 - there is some dispute as to where it was fired from but if not in the camp certainly close enough to give the police an excuse to search the camp

3 - yes a decision was made by some but not all of us at the camp to say it was not fired from the camp if asked by the media.

4 - the person who very likely fired it has now left the camp

5 - the discussion with lawyers concerning the subsequent actions of the police has found we have no chance of any actions against them.

6 - the media team in the camp has taken a lot of grief with one individual calling it a day and walking away.

These are the facts.

Alan Welton
mail e-mail: alanwelton@mac.com


Police complaint

20.01.2014 10:49

How's that complaint against the police going ?

Must be hard to show they were doing something wrong when it was proven over the weekend that what they alleged was true ?

Intrigued


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