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Is the killing of police officers worse than any other murder?

Kay Bulstreet | 13.06.2013 22:03

Is the killing of police officers worse than any other murder?


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Kay Bulstreet

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Yes, no and maybe.

13.06.2013 23:39

A police officer is human just like any other person so killing one of them is no better or worse than killing a person.

Obviously for a politician the killing of a police officer is eminantly exploitable and can yield a good deal of favour among the police "service" which can be turned into political good fortune. For a media worker the killing of a police officer is equally exploitable as so many bottom feeding politicians will be attempting to exploit it. This means a running story that has legs, which can be turned toward higher profits for newspaper sales and web hits.

So if money is all you care about then yes, the killing of a police officer is far more important than a "normal" person.

If you are not only human, but are also sane and not governed by money...then a police officer is just a person who made a stupid career choice. His or her death is of no more concern than any other death.

anonymous


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"..a stupid career choice.."

14.06.2013 08:40

Surprising comment. I don't think there is anything "stupid" about doing a job that primarily is focused on protecting the public. Would you describe a firefighter as "stupid" ?

I do of course understand that Indy includes its fair share of 'All Coppers Are Bastards' opinion individuals but outside of those who froth at the mouth most people I think understand the police do a needed job in society and that we can't live without them.

Mike


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hey mike

14.06.2013 09:33

do you have sameone (friend , family , or just has person with conscience..) that die from police brutality ?? MANY OF US WE HAVE .. did you got brutaly beaten by cop without doing nothing wrong ..MANY OF US WE HAVE .. still ask myself if you live in this world ..serious !!! for info check how many dead people die in police custody (past 5 years) MANY .... MANY ... MANY !!!!!! is not just job A.C.A B
great film to watch DIAZ DONT CLEAN UP THAT BLOOD
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nn


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My reply

14.06.2013 10:56

Yes I am aware of peple who have been hit by the police, myself included. I do not know anybody who was killed by the police but of course I am aware of deaths in police custody.

The point is not that these events occur but the question of choosing the police as a career choice, it was described above as "stupid", I disagree with that. I think that the majority of police do a job that is centred on protecting society. Of course I welcome ideas you may have for the policing and protection of society from those individual who do not share our view of common respect for others etc.

Mike


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For 'nn'

14.06.2013 11:21

'nn' you seem to have some strong views about the police.

What is your idea for a better system ?

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DONT NEED POLICE

14.06.2013 11:41

We dont need police, FUck them

we can look after OURSELVES

nn


You are leaving facotrs out?

14.06.2013 12:26

More things to consider?

If police in (normal) carrying out of their duties are getting killed, would that not make them less likely to take so many chances? So might society not want to impose stiffer sanctions to prevent that?

Understand the full range of what I just said and do NOT interpret "take less chances" to necessarily mean ducking the job. It also includes firing back in spite of the proximity of bystanders. It also includes not bothering to consider trying to talk down a distraught person who is raving and waving a gun around or tackling a person coming at them with a knife by using just their baton.

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the police are not required on our streets

14.06.2013 13:15

society and communities don't need police.

if there are any problems we can sort it out ourselves

Anarchist


Police = crime.

14.06.2013 13:22

"Yes I am aware of peple who have been hit by the police, myself included. I do not know anybody who was killed by the police but of course I am aware of deaths in police custody. "

I do know of somebody who died in police custody in London. The police were little more than the kind of roudy thugs you see on the street corners drinking beer before going out on the pull. They didn't much care about my freind and it was very obvious that this was because my freind was not only black, but poor too.

You see, in the eyes of all police officers, policing follows the individual they are dealing with. So somebody that has clean clothes on, while using an expensive looking phone, perhaps reading a copy of the Times receives the best possible service from the police. Somebody who is black and wearing poor clothing can expect to be arrested for no other reason than the police know that that person is never going to be able to afford a good lawyer. So that person will receive the worst possible service.

My freind died while 5 police officers stood by mutually convincing each other that my freind was just putting it on.

Only when my freind stopped breathing did they once again become police officers and only then did they try to give aid.

My freind did not recover and his life was not saved. None of the police officers ever faced justice for what was always carefully crafted neglect based on the colour of my freinds skin and the cheap state of his clothes.

You can apologise all you want for the police, but I'm afraid that it just doesn't mean anything.

It never does!

Anita


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For 'Anita'

14.06.2013 14:14

What a terrible tragedy, it must be awful to lose a friend is such circumstances.

What would your suggestion be to ensure the public are protected and laws obeyed if not the police ?

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@nn

14.06.2013 19:18

> We dont need police, FUck them
> we can look after OURSELVES


Oh really?!
Well, where were you lot when i got beaten and mugged.
The police helped me. You lot didn't.

Therefore. Your logic is flawed.

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Police are a waste.

14.06.2013 19:37

"What would your suggestion be to ensure the public are protected and laws obeyed if not the police ? "

The vast majority of the people I know do not break the law. I live in a community in which the police are considered a pointless waste of time. If there are problems, my community comes together and by careful consensus, we choose to police ourselves. We do a much better and fairer job of that than the thugs in uniform.

I feel far safer with my neighbours, than I do with the police.

As far as I am concerned, the police are to be avoided at all costs, unless you are wealthy and white.

Anita


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For Anita

15.06.2013 06:43

Anita

What a wonderul community you live in by the sound of it, I bet we all wish we could like somewhere the same. I am forced through work and family commitments to live in an inner city area with I am sorry to say a lot of crime and where the police are very much needed.

What would be your suggestion for their replacement here ?

Mike


Asking a different question...

16.06.2013 10:05

I think we should be asking why not one single police officer has ever been convicted of killing a person. Teresa May states that whole life tariffs should be aplied to people who kill police officers, but not once admits that the police cause a threat to members of the community. Undoubtedly, police officers do find themselves in dangerous situations as part of their job, but does this warrant a different form of justice because of their work? May is just playing populist politics with the criminal justice system and that never serves the purpose of justice.

Bob


What's the alternative

17.06.2013 12:29

Post after post critical of the police but no suggestions of what should reaplce them. Anarchists are always quick to tell the rest of us what they don't like but have no suggestions for what would be better.

Mike


Round and round it goes, where it stops, everybody knows.

17.06.2013 12:41

"Post after post critical of the police but no suggestions of what should reaplce them. Anarchists are always quick to tell the rest of us what they don't like but have no suggestions for what would be better."

This reminds of the damoclian argument for getting rid of anti-socials from political life. It goes like this...

"The village is full of vandals who spray the whole place with grafitti so we must get rid of them...but the problem is if we get rid of the vandals, who is going to do all the grafitti?"

The question contains within it, its own answer.

In a police-centric society like ours, criminals benefit most from the existance of the police, and visa versa.

Lawful communities have nothing to hide, and therefore nothing to fear.

anonymous


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@ anonymous

18.06.2013 05:19

So as I understand your argument there is no need for the police because there is only crime because the police are there to stop it ?

Putting to one side the illogicality I would ask the same question I have asked everybody who has been critical of the police on this thread. What would you suggest is the alternative to a police force ?

Mike


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Alternatives

18.06.2013 07:14

These is no need for me to suggest alternatives to the police because alternatives are not needed.

'Crime' is an invention of the police and the power elite to install fear in the population.

Without the police nearly all 'crime' would simply cease to exist. The one or two genuine problems that would still happen would be quickly dealt within the local community by society appointed 'elders'.

Police = Crime

No Police = No Crime

anonymous


"Is the killing of police officers worse than any other murder?" (26.9.2012)

18.06.2013 17:32

No, once it accelerates the abolition of the police for only one nanosecond it is justified.

son of a cop ordained pope and resigned


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