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Protest against the violence of capitalism

Stop G8 | 11.06.2013 18:04

Whether it's smashing its way into the Stop G8 convergence centre or bombing innocent civilians in Gaza or Afghanistan, capitalism depends on ugly brute force to impose its rule.

Stop G8 urgently calls on people to resist the violence of capitalism, militarism and the police state in central London on Wednesday 12 June.

Gather in Stirling Square, 6 Carlton Gardens, SW1Y 5AD, outside BAE systems, the world's third largest arms producer at 2pm.

We will not be cowed into submission by state repression. Stop G8! Stop capitalism!

Stop G8
- e-mail: stopg8@riseup.net
- Homepage: network23.org/stopg8

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BUT (a big but)

11.06.2013 20:54

Capitalism is evil.
Capitalism should be done away with.

BUT -- capitalism is NOT the reason we humans are violent to each other. This is obviously true once you consider that as far back as we can tell in human history we humans have been violent to each other and that means long before we invented capitalism.

It is NOT a valid argument to jump up and down pointing out that a capitalist society is violent for capitalist reasons. The reasons will always be making sense within the context of whatever form of organization is in use.

It is NOT clear that socialist societies won't manage to find socialist reasons to be violent. Yes, it is out hope that this will not be so but it's something we will elarn only when we try. I'll repeat, arguing that socialist societies would not be violent for capitalist reasons is NOT an argument that socialst societies won't find other reasons to be violent.

MDN


Human Species are Social Primates

12.06.2013 13:17

I think you'll find that our violence goes back a lot further in our (Humanity's) evolutionary past than the arrival of Homo Sapiens. See  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071024144314.htm for other social primate traits like "Machiavellian intelligence" Hierarchy, Social dominance and even REVOLUTION ffs.

2%Human


common sense

12.06.2013 16:47

No-one's claiming that an alternative society would have no violence at all.

But it seems obvious that a society based on huge inequality between rich and poor (capitalism) must ultimately be based on massive use of violence.

It also seems obvious that a society which emphasized both freedom and equality (anarchism) would be less violent; there would be less conflict because more people are getting their needs met.

I suppose there's no way of definitively proving that, while we are stuck in capitalism, but I think the logic is fairly compelling.

anonymous


No to centrism.

13.06.2013 11:15

One of the big steps forward we could all make is to accept that we in the UK are no longer the great social reformers we used to be.

We no longer know what Capitalism is no more than we know what Socialism is. All we really know about is the politics of nest feathering. Our political parties represent only the centrist politics of positioning themselves as close to the financial welfare of the people, by using whatever works politically and not whatever is most appropriate. This endless tendency to centralise just leads to homogenous political representation in which difference of opinion no longer exists in real terms.

Look at Parliament right now and you will see only a single party machine in which differences are fabricated for public "consumption". In reality, these differences don't exist.

Ask yourself..."why have Labour now adopted the concept of welfare cuts and capping state pensions?". Well, they have adopted it because getting elected is more important than actually doing something of substance. They have simply adopted whatever works but its to no end. In the meantime, this endless "centrist" positioning simply acts to confuse us the electorate into believing that there is no alternative to whats on offer, when in actual fact, a huge amount is on offer.

Anarchism is simply the best way to get rid of the block to progress that the Conservative and Labour single party movement now represents.

It doesn't matter how we do it, as long as it gets done.

anonymous