EDL Swamped 10-to-1 in Cardiff
Cardiff Antifa | 01.06.2013 17:24 | Anti-racism | Wales
EDL and a handful of locals held a march in Cardiff today, but were outnumbered 10-to-1 by antifascists. Photos to follow.
Around midday on Friday 31st May Welsh Antifa found out that the EDL had called a protest for the next day, 1st June. The word went out and frenzied preparations were made. We had initially heard that an EDL demonstration would march from Maindy barracks in Cardiff, down Crwys Road to protest a local mosque, although on the day it turned out that they planned to go to a nearby war memorial to lay some wreaths.
Having heard that a mosque was being targeted, antifascists made contact with a large number of local muslims after Friday night prayers. Outside one mosque, two activists witnessed a spontaneous racial attack by a group of 7 or 8 drunk Cardiff University students against a muslim man, who was punched in the face. The activists gave chase before finding themselves outnumbered four to one, and had to back off again. Later, activists alerted the management of local pubs that the EDL were in the area the next day, and had recently trashed a pub in Bristol. Some of the pubs agreed to refuse them entry. 60+ muslim guys were approached in shisha bars along City Road – the overwhelming majority were supportive of the antifa demonstration and many assured us they would come.
The next morning, in beautiful sunshine, around 50 people gathered on Crwys Road. There were students, antifa, families, and the Red Choir. Unfortunately, despite really promising reactions from the muslims we had contacted the night before, very few turned up to the demonstration – we later heard that they had gathered at the mosque instead, which is fair enough. A small UAF contingent set itself up on the other side of Maindy Barracks, far away from the EDL as usual. Our spotters up the hill informed us that some EDL types had arrived, and as a group we walked up to confront them.
What we found, surrounded by a handful of cops, was a tiny group of people who did not exactly look like hardcore Nazis, many of them holding wreaths. There were around 10 people there, but only three recognised EDL members. Most of us had little argument with random members of the public who wanted to lay wreaths, but we could not walk away and let the EDL claim the gathering as a victory. Some of our lot went in and talked to individuals, explaining that their event was being hijacked by known EDL racists. They didn't seem that bothered, and claimed ignorance.
After initially trying to persuade elements of our demonstration to 'unite' and join the UAF demo up the road, UAF leadership conceded to bring their demo down to us. This put our numbers up to a bit over 100. However, the ranking UAF organiser on the scene immediately entered negotiations with the police and EDL. The result was an agreement that the EDL could march to their war memorial in silence, and that our demonstration would MERGE with theirs – our banners and signs would come down and we would essentially join their event. When he pitched this, in strident, commanding tones, to the mixed counter demonstration it sparked a loud and divisive argument. But what would you expect? No-one had come there to join the EDL for the day, and yet SWP members - even those who clearly diagreed with the idea - seemed to take great offence at any debate on the subject.
So the wreath-laying procession moved off, flanked by police. A uniformed soldier from the barracks joined them carrying a Help For Heroes collection bucket. A few of the counter-demonstrators walked behind them with their banners up – the rest of the group either dispersed or headed down to the mosque where people had gathered and tea was being served. As we followed the small procession down North Road to the war memorial by City Hall, police asked us to lower our banners in respect of the deal made by the UAF organiser. We answered that we weren't part of 'his' demonstration and that he spoke only for himself. The cops tried to press the point until we pointed out that it wasn't in their lawful power to make us lower our signs anyway. When we all reached the war memorial, antifascists sat quietly on the grass while the families laid their wreaths and observed their minute of silence.
As the event came to a close, the most recognisable fascist there slipped away towards town. By following him, we made it perfectly clear that we were only interested in the fascist element that had infiltrated the event. This guy has a lot of tattoos, including 'skin head' written around his neck in norse runes and 'fuelled by faith' in English on one arm. He had been trying to stare many of us down back at the barracks, and police had let slip that he was known to them as an EDL troublemaker.
As he realised he was being followed his pace quickened. He tried to lose us in crowds, started crossing roads multiple times and then finally broke into a run at the corner of Westgate Street. A handful of us chased him onto Park Place and then onto the green in front of the museum, where he found three cops to protect him. The police surrounded him and radioed a van, which came and rescued him. The sight of this 'ard man stepping sheepishly into a riot van for his own protection made the day worthwhile, and we drifted away to enjoy the sun.
Conclusions
Today was a real show of weakness by the EDL. Despite hijacking a family-friendly wreath-laying event for their own hateful agenda, we estimate only three of them turned up.
On the other hand, a counter-demo of 100+ people was great considering the extremely short notice. Roughly half of this counter-demo was autonomously organised – not bad considering many of the Cardiff anarchists were out of town at the time.
Despite our last-minute successes in engaging local muslims, very few of them came to the demo. It would be worth figuring out if something put them off. So many people seemed up for it last night, thanking us for letting them know, shaking hands, all really positive, then no-one showed. In the past, elders and Immams have discouraged their communities from going to antifascist events for fear that it would provoke more racist violence, but I don't know if that was happening today. However, a number of people apparently did meet at the mosque, which really makes sense, especially considering we initially thought the place was being targeted.
SWP will seek to hijack anything autonomous. Today was one of the rare occasions when, due to the spontaneity of the situation, the autonomous demonstration was neither dwarfed nor subsumed by the UAF demo. However, a UAF organiser immediately tried to take charge using strident voices and divisive attacks. To many of us there today it seemed they will seek to divide 'rival' groups no matter what the cost – even encouraging people to lower their banners and join a march publicised by a dangerous far-right group.
Love and rage, photos to follow.
Having heard that a mosque was being targeted, antifascists made contact with a large number of local muslims after Friday night prayers. Outside one mosque, two activists witnessed a spontaneous racial attack by a group of 7 or 8 drunk Cardiff University students against a muslim man, who was punched in the face. The activists gave chase before finding themselves outnumbered four to one, and had to back off again. Later, activists alerted the management of local pubs that the EDL were in the area the next day, and had recently trashed a pub in Bristol. Some of the pubs agreed to refuse them entry. 60+ muslim guys were approached in shisha bars along City Road – the overwhelming majority were supportive of the antifa demonstration and many assured us they would come.
The next morning, in beautiful sunshine, around 50 people gathered on Crwys Road. There were students, antifa, families, and the Red Choir. Unfortunately, despite really promising reactions from the muslims we had contacted the night before, very few turned up to the demonstration – we later heard that they had gathered at the mosque instead, which is fair enough. A small UAF contingent set itself up on the other side of Maindy Barracks, far away from the EDL as usual. Our spotters up the hill informed us that some EDL types had arrived, and as a group we walked up to confront them.
What we found, surrounded by a handful of cops, was a tiny group of people who did not exactly look like hardcore Nazis, many of them holding wreaths. There were around 10 people there, but only three recognised EDL members. Most of us had little argument with random members of the public who wanted to lay wreaths, but we could not walk away and let the EDL claim the gathering as a victory. Some of our lot went in and talked to individuals, explaining that their event was being hijacked by known EDL racists. They didn't seem that bothered, and claimed ignorance.
After initially trying to persuade elements of our demonstration to 'unite' and join the UAF demo up the road, UAF leadership conceded to bring their demo down to us. This put our numbers up to a bit over 100. However, the ranking UAF organiser on the scene immediately entered negotiations with the police and EDL. The result was an agreement that the EDL could march to their war memorial in silence, and that our demonstration would MERGE with theirs – our banners and signs would come down and we would essentially join their event. When he pitched this, in strident, commanding tones, to the mixed counter demonstration it sparked a loud and divisive argument. But what would you expect? No-one had come there to join the EDL for the day, and yet SWP members - even those who clearly diagreed with the idea - seemed to take great offence at any debate on the subject.
So the wreath-laying procession moved off, flanked by police. A uniformed soldier from the barracks joined them carrying a Help For Heroes collection bucket. A few of the counter-demonstrators walked behind them with their banners up – the rest of the group either dispersed or headed down to the mosque where people had gathered and tea was being served. As we followed the small procession down North Road to the war memorial by City Hall, police asked us to lower our banners in respect of the deal made by the UAF organiser. We answered that we weren't part of 'his' demonstration and that he spoke only for himself. The cops tried to press the point until we pointed out that it wasn't in their lawful power to make us lower our signs anyway. When we all reached the war memorial, antifascists sat quietly on the grass while the families laid their wreaths and observed their minute of silence.
As the event came to a close, the most recognisable fascist there slipped away towards town. By following him, we made it perfectly clear that we were only interested in the fascist element that had infiltrated the event. This guy has a lot of tattoos, including 'skin head' written around his neck in norse runes and 'fuelled by faith' in English on one arm. He had been trying to stare many of us down back at the barracks, and police had let slip that he was known to them as an EDL troublemaker.
As he realised he was being followed his pace quickened. He tried to lose us in crowds, started crossing roads multiple times and then finally broke into a run at the corner of Westgate Street. A handful of us chased him onto Park Place and then onto the green in front of the museum, where he found three cops to protect him. The police surrounded him and radioed a van, which came and rescued him. The sight of this 'ard man stepping sheepishly into a riot van for his own protection made the day worthwhile, and we drifted away to enjoy the sun.
Conclusions
Today was a real show of weakness by the EDL. Despite hijacking a family-friendly wreath-laying event for their own hateful agenda, we estimate only three of them turned up.
On the other hand, a counter-demo of 100+ people was great considering the extremely short notice. Roughly half of this counter-demo was autonomously organised – not bad considering many of the Cardiff anarchists were out of town at the time.
Despite our last-minute successes in engaging local muslims, very few of them came to the demo. It would be worth figuring out if something put them off. So many people seemed up for it last night, thanking us for letting them know, shaking hands, all really positive, then no-one showed. In the past, elders and Immams have discouraged their communities from going to antifascist events for fear that it would provoke more racist violence, but I don't know if that was happening today. However, a number of people apparently did meet at the mosque, which really makes sense, especially considering we initially thought the place was being targeted.
SWP will seek to hijack anything autonomous. Today was one of the rare occasions when, due to the spontaneity of the situation, the autonomous demonstration was neither dwarfed nor subsumed by the UAF demo. However, a UAF organiser immediately tried to take charge using strident voices and divisive attacks. To many of us there today it seemed they will seek to divide 'rival' groups no matter what the cost – even encouraging people to lower their banners and join a march publicised by a dangerous far-right group.
Love and rage, photos to follow.
Cardiff Antifa
Comments
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The truth is
01.06.2013 19:00
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22740662
Sally
Sally's news report shows known Nazis participating
01.06.2013 19:13
You really need try harder Sally....
Laughing at the EDL scum
@sally
01.06.2013 19:35
https://englishdefenceleague.org/edl-news-2/1930-silent-walks-for-lee
Now shut up
Dean
Is this Luke Pippen?
01.06.2013 19:41
wonders
oops
01.06.2013 19:42
wonders
Luke Pippen
01.06.2013 19:52
Anon
Luke Pippen running
01.06.2013 19:59
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38303892@N05/sets/72157633859482411/
Anon
quick correction
01.06.2013 20:48
And yes, this Luke Pippen bloke is definitely the guy we saw. Apparently he's a well known casuals united / national front type from Swansea.
It's fairly sickening that even after Help For Heroes refused donations from the EDL as an organisation, a soldier from the barracks carried one of their collection buckets at an EDL publicised event. It may be worth complaining.
Cardiff Antifascists
@Cardiff Antifascists
01.06.2013 22:04
wonders
what a
02.06.2013 01:01
bollox
Yesterday was a day for families to show respect ..... Set up by myself
02.06.2013 07:40
You people need to get your facts right before you go out causing trouble and putting fear into a community... because all you achieved yesterday was making little children scared and cry and even one family walked away because of what you were shouting...I hope your proud of yourselves, because I am absolutely disgusted with you all...
Lianne Hannam
e-mail: lianne.hamman@ntlworld.com
@Lianne Hannam
02.06.2013 09:52
The End
In a mind reader !!!!! Not
02.06.2013 14:55
You've plenty of pictures up I'd like to ask where's the pictures of us laying the flowers at the war memorial, the poem that was read out, the minute silence we observed , the children and soldier laying flowers, the mixed race lady in our walk, oh no lets for get about all them and just concentrate on one individual... Biased opinion from you I think just to fuel your group
Lianne Hannam
Give it up
02.06.2013 15:49
The End
Why Nazi laying wreath at our War Memorial?!?!
02.06.2013 16:53
I understand there were a couple of other people who members of Hitler loving groups like National Front there.
In Swansea I read Luke Pippen who joined you organised a gig attended by people dressed up in KKK white sheets at which a mock hanging was staged of a Black golliwog doll. We don't want these extremists around.
People were concerned because your event was widely advertised on the facebook pages and of Nazi and fascist groups such as the WDL - Welsh Defence League (photographed by the Western Mail two years ago giving Nazi salutes in front of families and children in Swansea), EDL (English Defence League) and Casuals United. As you are aware Lee Rigby's family has condemned the attempts of these extremist groups to exploit his murder to stage their extremist hate rallies, these groups had advertised the event as their own so it's no surprise that good people were concerned.
Cardiff is a city with some of the oldest Muslim and Black communities in Britain, we've all lived side by side with no troube for decades, we don't want EDL/WDL/Casuals United extremists causing trouble and strife or stirring up against our friends and neighbours.
Maybe this wasn't your fault and you had good intentions. I think most people were horrified by the gruesome murder of Lee Rigby, just as we are horrified by the many similarly gruesome racist murders that have taken place over many years (just mention because it's important that we don't link whole communities with actions of a few & personally I think that Britain invading other countries is causing a lot of this blowback, we need to bring the boys back home and end the wars)
The best thing would be to condemn these groups, disassociate yourself from them and make clear that they shouldn't have been welcomed at the event and was a mistake. Best wishes.
Ann Frank
@Lianne Hannam
02.06.2013 17:13
What is confusing is given that this was apparently nothing to do with the EDL, why on earth would you choose to march on the same day that the EDL have advertised that they will be holding their marches? Given that the you 'like' the EDL and WDL Facebook pages, it's not like this connection was not realised.
Nica
Really..!!!!....
02.06.2013 18:29
I'm done trying to reason with you extremist .. You only see what you want to see..
We done what we had set out to do and thankfully none of your mugs were splashed over the papers or on the 6 o'clock news...
Lianne Hannam
Really..!!!!....
02.06.2013 18:29
I'm done trying to reason with you extremist .. You only see what you want to see..
We done what we had set out to do and thankfully none of your mugs were splashed over the papers or on the 6 o'clock news...
Lianne Hannam
Lianne
02.06.2013 19:32
I was nearby when you came over the road to speak to the protesters, respect to you for doing that.
no one shouted you down, you said your bit uninterrupted and then people were trying to get their say over each other and get you to see that having a blatant nazi with you wasn't good.
i saw no children crying either.
the walk went ahead without interruption and in silence all the way to the memorial where as people can see from the bbc report was respectful and silent also, apart from the nazi who as you know believe in the same stuff that our brave troops fought against.
please understand that people in Cardiff will always stand up to racism and the threat of it so had to be there after your event was looking like it was being hijacked by the extreme right wing
please don't let your cause, yourself and those around you get hijacked by racists
Diff
and
02.06.2013 19:40
Lianne "We done what we had set out to do and thankfully none of your mugs were splashed over the papers or on the 6 o'clock news... "
if there was any trouble, disruption or lots of shouting then that would have made the news (r youtube at least) and hope you can see that proves the point above. plenty of cameras there including the news.
Diff
ignore mean spiteful people
02.06.2013 20:14
Well said. Just carry on doing your thing - ignore the haters
Rosie
Yawn
03.06.2013 08:38
Tim
Talking to a wall
03.06.2013 10:08
I tried to do something nice for lee rigby and the Cardiff community and you people ruined it simple as..
Ummmmmm
@Ummmmmm
03.06.2013 11:29
bye!
@Ummmmmm
03.06.2013 14:51
that was it.
the people who walked in front and behind were keeping an eye on the nazi you were standing alongside and to see if any others appeared on the way
again, your walk was not disrupted, if you claim it again please have some proof
you are digging yourself a bigger hole by lying and twisting about the facts of the day
there was no one in front of you with banners and only a couple behind, lucky there were not hundreds.
he wasn't anyone's photographer, people do not have to be a member of a group to care and attend and document things like this, they just care about their communities and want to protect them from racists (again not saying you are one)
also it is a public highway so tough and luckily there were pics taken as more people would believe your twisting of what happened and may not have seen the hard proof of the disgusting nazi walking with you and having the cheek to lay flowers at a war memorial which respects thousands upon thousands of people who fought the nazis.
fair enough you think you were paying some kind of respect to Lee Rigby which was not disrupted, but please don't think or claim you were doing anything for the community of Cardiff.
and perhaps you want to direct your accusations of ruining the day at the racists who posted your event on their sites encouraging others racists to attend and also the nazi who hijacked your walk?
so how was it ruined and do you have any proof?
thanks
Diff
@Ummmmmmm
03.06.2013 14:56
that was it.
the people who walked in front and behind were keeping an eye on the nazi you were standing alongside and to see if any others appeared on the way
again, your walk was not disrupted, if you claim it again please have some proof
you are digging yourself a bigger hole by lying and twisting about the facts of the day
there was no one in front of you with banners and only a couple behind, lucky there were not hundreds.
he wasn't anyone's photographer, people do not have to be a member of a group to care and attend and document things like this, they just care about their communities and want to protect them from racists (again not saying you are one)
also it is a public highway so tough and luckily there were pics taken as more people would believe your twisting of what happened and may not have seen the hard proof of the disgusting nazi walking with you and having the cheek to lay flowers at a war memorial which respects thousands upon thousands of people who fought the nazis.
fair enough you think you were paying some kind of respect to Lee Rigby which was not disrupted, but please don't think or claim you were doing anything for the community of Cardiff.
and perhaps you want to direct your accusations of ruining the day at the racists who posted your event on their sites encouraging others racists to attend and also the nazi who hijacked your walk?
so how was it ruined and do you have any proof?
thanks
Diff
your pics
03.06.2013 15:17
why haven't you posted them Lianne? and were u the organisor or was it Simon on the news?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96835663@N02/with/8925647596/
and again we see no one disrupting anything, not even the nazi
surely you have some video or at least one pic of the so called disruption and people 'ruining' the day? no? why is that? because it didn't happen.
as an aside, hope that young boy in the camo top doesn't grow up to be fooled into joining the forces and get killed far away from home in a war nothing to do with him or us :(
Diff
I wonder where Stabby was?
03.06.2013 21:02
Kayla
LIARS
04.06.2013 12:53
And I am disgusted to see the letter that was sent into the echo today saying we all had Union Jack t shirts on and help for heros t shirts and that at least 10 of us were EDL members, send in by Wendy Lewis and ray Davies, bed was Caerphilly. NOW WHOs TWISTING THE STORY
And I'd also like to thank lianne for her hard work in trying to do something nice for our community we all appreciated it, don't listen to the idiots. I look forward to our next walk.
UAF a bunch of jokers
yes you are a liar
05.06.2013 08:10
this is getting boring but do you have any proof of disruption?
post the pics, don't be shy
so what if people were walking in front and behind you, it is a public highway as mentioned
and so what if someone had a 'no to racism' t-shirt, do you disagree? are you know saying you actually are a racist??? if you are then stand up for your shitty beliefs and try to argue your ignorant point
and please a fair few people there were not uaf and there off their own backs, you sound almost as bad as griffin
Dave
Why I was there,
05.06.2013 11:09
John Amery
silly silly nazi boy
05.06.2013 15:49
why the need for the rock against commies t-shirt then> or do you not have normal tshirts
you asked the police to remove you but they wouldn't?? total bullshit
loving your 'bring more heads threat' what you and a few powells? fuck right off most of you are too scared to set foot in Cardiff
be sure to publicise it if you do come don't just sneak in and out like a lot of you usually do and claim a victory, 'no surrender' ugh.
as to the rest of your post, a lot of the protestors were horrified by the death of Fusilier Rigby and they didn't want it hijacked by the far right, just like the family of Lee asked and just as his regiment asked too, now who's disrespectful?
the best thing you could have done was to stay away and not tarnished the well intentioned march with your tattoos and staring people out, a disgrace, how dare you lay flowers at a war memorial to those who fought the nazis as a self identified one yourself. you think the march would have been followed if you weren't there? think again idiot
Dave
john amery -EDL alias
06.06.2013 14:11
anon