Does Bristol IMC welcome trolling? [1]
ftp | 24.12.2012 16:54
According to a post still on Bristol Indymedia,
"Posters need to be aware of their history, Indymedia UK mods WILL pass your details to the cops if served with court orders.
This is a extremely serious claim to make.
Bearing in mind that this article is still up:
http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/712082? it seems to me that Bristol IMC actually welcomes trolling and enjoys publishing disinformation. The claim that IMC uk provided logs to the police first appeared in the "Rise and Rise of the Independents" troll that proved not to be true.
"Posters need to be aware of their history, Indymedia UK mods WILL pass your details to the cops if served with court orders.
This is a extremely serious claim to make.
Bearing in mind that this article is still up:
http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/712082? it seems to me that Bristol IMC actually welcomes trolling and enjoys publishing disinformation. The claim that IMC uk provided logs to the police first appeared in the "Rise and Rise of the Independents" troll that proved not to be true.
If Bristol IMC have any doubts about the accuracy of the claim I suggest they contact SHAC and ask them to confirm whether or not any IMC uk logs were presented in Greg Avery's trial.
Even if the logs weren't used they should be in the disclosure bundle - and if it isn't then Greg would be entitled to a retrial or acquittal - if the claims are true.......
No?
https://lists.indymedia.org.uk/pipermail/moderation/2012-December/001059.html
Even if the logs weren't used they should be in the disclosure bundle - and if it isn't then Greg would be entitled to a retrial or acquittal - if the claims are true.......
No?
https://lists.indymedia.org.uk/pipermail/moderation/2012-December/001059.html
ftp
Original article on IMC Bristol:
http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/712310
Additions
The article on Bristol Indymedia
24.12.2012 21:48
Turkish spam - what's the source ?
category south west | miscellaneous | announcement author Monday December 24, 2012 10:48author by One pixie among many Report this post to the editors
Regular indymedia readers will be aware of the massive quantity of Turkish language spam all the sites have been enduring the past few months, most of all Indymedia Notts and Indymedia UK. A group of concerned pixies decided to do a bit of digging using a system root password on the UK site to enable us to track the source. ( All IP details were erased after the investigation).
The source is somewhat of a surprise; an Indymedia UK moderator. This seemed to make no sense, was there some sort of sophisticated divert software being used, were we in James Bond territory here with shady agents of the State attempting to make a mod look guilty and discredit them ? Well no, in fact what the evidence pointed at was exactly what was going on. One Indymedia UK moderator was and is flooding the newswires with Turkish language spam copied and pasted from a Turkish football site. Now of course we needed to understand why and this time the answer (after much digging) was found in the IRC chat files that records and exchange between two mods: The chat is reproduced here but the names removed for reasons we shall make clear later.
-@@@- Better use /MSG instead of /NOTICE.
/QUERY @@@ *** Starting conversation with @@@ -> *@@@* If the hidden section is filled with spam nobody will bother going through it -> *@@@* Well how about football results ?
-> *@@@* Cool can U handle that ?
/QUERY *** Ending conversation with @@@
At this stage and after much discussion it has been decided not to name the people involved, sufficient to say we know who they are and now they know that we know.
Our deal is simple, stop doing it and we will not name you, continue and we will.
category south west | miscellaneous | announcement author Monday December 24, 2012 10:48author by One pixie among many Report this post to the editors
Regular indymedia readers will be aware of the massive quantity of Turkish language spam all the sites have been enduring the past few months, most of all Indymedia Notts and Indymedia UK. A group of concerned pixies decided to do a bit of digging using a system root password on the UK site to enable us to track the source. ( All IP details were erased after the investigation).
The source is somewhat of a surprise; an Indymedia UK moderator. This seemed to make no sense, was there some sort of sophisticated divert software being used, were we in James Bond territory here with shady agents of the State attempting to make a mod look guilty and discredit them ? Well no, in fact what the evidence pointed at was exactly what was going on. One Indymedia UK moderator was and is flooding the newswires with Turkish language spam copied and pasted from a Turkish football site. Now of course we needed to understand why and this time the answer (after much digging) was found in the IRC chat files that records and exchange between two mods: The chat is reproduced here but the names removed for reasons we shall make clear later.
-@@@- Better use /MSG instead of /NOTICE.
/QUERY @@@ *** Starting conversation with @@@ -> *@@@* If the hidden section is filled with spam nobody will bother going through it -> *@@@* Well how about football results ?
-> *@@@* Cool can U handle that ?
/QUERY *** Ending conversation with @@@
At this stage and after much discussion it has been decided not to name the people involved, sufficient to say we know who they are and now they know that we know.
Our deal is simple, stop doing it and we will not name you, continue and we will.
ftp
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24.12.2012 18:16
Why not name them ?
author by carlpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:03Report this post to the editors
I don't understand, why are you not naming these people ? This is a very serious matter and goes to the heart of the Indy project. Your proof looks clear, although I am pissed off that once again somebody has decided it is acceptable to turn on the IP tracking, so why not name them ? Are you worried about retribution ? There are plenty of people skilled in these types of situations. When Mark Kennedy was discovered there was real fear there of a police backlash but with well worked out tactics people were protected.
You can post anonymously here at BIndy.
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more trolling of bindymedia
author by ftp - imc ukpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:09Report this post to the editors
Related Link:
@Carl
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:32author address
"Why not name them ?
I don't understand, why are you not naming these people ? This is a very serious matter and goes to the heart of the Indy project."
because its all lies is why.
"Your proof looks clear"
lets remind ourselves what the proof is:
"A group of concerned pixies
decided to do a bit of digging using a system root password on the UK site
to enable us to track the source. "
Where did this root password come from - bearing in mind that the imc uk site is now on a server in Iceland, and all passwords were changed - leading to accusations of theft etc:
"The Mayday collective may call this '"taking direct action". In fact, and after reading the public lists, it looks more like theft to me. It seems quite obvious that a small number of imc-uk volunteers gathered under the banner of 'Mayday collective' have stolen the third longest running imc in the world and kept it for themselves. They have locked everyone else from it, changed servers, re-pointed DNS, etc ... ignoring the agreed arrangement the whole imc-uk network reached by consensus in the Bradford meeting of December 2010."
and the rest of the proof:
"Now of course we needed to understand why and this time the answer (after
much digging) was found in the IRC chat files that records and exchange
between two mods:"
IRC is secure and if it were possible to read the logs of private chats - why would the mods have used irc when they could have used personal emails or indeed the telephone?
"although I am pissed off that once again somebody has decided it is acceptable to turn on the IP tracking,"
well if you claim to have broken into a server without authorisation then why not use IP logging?
so why not name them ? Are you worried about retribution ? There are plenty of people skilled in these types of situations. When Mark Kennedy was discovered there was real fear there of a police backlash but with well worked out tactics people were protected.
You can post anonymously here at BIndy."
This is just more lies - but I'm sure you carl are relishing the prospect of screens hots which will provide evidence. I suspect you are also the author of the original lie as well.
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ftp - one of Indy UK
author by Only uses Bristol these dayspublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:33Report this post to the editors
So as you claim this is trolling I assume you will be quite comfortable having the full information made public then ftp ?
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You can post anonymously here at BIndy.
author by Bindy supporterpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:41Report this post to the editors
Anonymous posting here is proven unlike Indy uk who rolled over at the first hint of cop pressure.
That is very important to remember.
When the cops seized the Bristol server they found nothing, the collective here (hat tip to all) has always done what is has said it is doing.
I only post here, never on the uk site.
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the trolling damages both sites
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 13:38Report this post to the editors
Personally I have no fears about being exposed as I know there is nothing to expose.
I take it you will be providing screen shots that we can all enjoy?
It seems sad that you have nothing better to do with your time than invent lies about Indymedia sites.
Please don't make unfounded accusations
author by carlpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 13:53Report this post to the editors
I had nothing to do with the writing of the original post and if you had taken the time to read my response to it a little more carefully you would have seen I am questioning why this important information cannot be released if it is true.
I understand there may be reasons why the people involved have made a choice not to release the names of those involved however in my view they should be. Indy UK has not been served well by the current moderation collective conducting such a large amount of its discussions in secret so some light being thrown on the darker corners would be helpful to rebuild trust. It is telling that you admit some decisions are made via private emails and phone calls when they should be part of the public record.
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Long memory of ftp's lying.
author by Man of long memorypublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 14:00Report this post to the editors
I seem to remember that when the first allegations were made that certain Indy mods (including you) had turned on the ip tracking option in the software to facilitate the Gateway 303 investigation you also referred to that as,
"all lies"
It turns out it was not a lie and was right on the money. I doubt anybody still believes a word of what you say ftp considering your record. I will also bet 20 quid to charity that when all this is finally revealed you are one of the people in the IRC chat referenced above.
Would you care to deny that for the record, we don't need one of your long winded answers, a simple yes or no will suffice.
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No great surprise
author by Ianpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 14:20Report this post to the editors
Indy uk has always got pissed off when people were reading what they decided was not correct, its the reason the 'View All Posts' option is so well hidden. Filling the hidden folder with spam is an easy way to put people off going through it all.
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Related Post
author by Laurenpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 14:22Report this post to the editors
Is this related to this report ?
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Come on then
author by Pixie watchpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 14:46Report this post to the editors
FTP has said he has " no fears about being exposed".
In that case are you prepared to confirm that it was FTP in these IRC exchanges ? If not who was it ?
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Time on your hands
author by Benpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 14:48Report this post to the editors
"It seems sad that you have nothing better to do with your time than invent lies about Indymedia sites."
It seems sad that you have nothing better to do with your time than invent lies about Israel and Jews yet you do Roy. Here and elsewhere.
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go on - provide the evidence
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 15:14Report this post to the editors
here is my denial in full:
so where now is the evidence?
In "Long memory of ftp's lying." 'Man of long memory' wrote:
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"I seem to remember that when the first allegations were made that certain Indy mods (including you) had turned on the ip tracking option in the software to facilitate the Gateway 303 investigation you also referred to that as,
"all lies"
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lets have the evidence for that as well.
along with the evidence that "unlike Indy uk who rolled over at the first hint of cop pressure" - where did imc uk roll over and how?
I will not be responding further until actual evidence is provided.
Feeding trolls is a waste of time
A series of unsubstantiated claims being made on this thread and zero evidence.
And until this thread disappears I bet not a jot of evidence is provided.
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@Man of long memory
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 15:14Report this post to the editors
There were important reasons why the Gateway 303 information had to remain confidential. The IP recording method we used was safe and secure with only a handful of trusted collective members aware of the system used. The current method for identifying spammers and trolls uses similar methods.
If you don't like it then don't use Indymedia UK.
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For Lauren
author by Ianpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 15:37Report this post to the editors
Lauren
It's all part of a pattern, Indy UK is famous for its less than transparent editorial decision making and they have been caught out many times using the IP number logging option in the CMS system they use. They always say they don't but they always get caught out because eventually somebody lets it slip or fesses up. What pisses people off is how they label any discussion of the issue as "disinformation", they use this tactic a lot when the mods are facing difficult questions.
One think to remember, their actions in recording IP details contributed in part to a number of SHAC people going to prison and yet some of those same people are moderating the site today as part of the Mayday collective who stole the 'indymedia uk' domain from the indymedia community.
If you live in the South West stick to Bindy, all posts here end up on the UK site anyway because they copy them but you don't have to face the risks of posting on the UK site.
Ian
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Bristol Indymedia host of disinformation
author by 2% - Sheffield IMCpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 16:01Report this post to the editors
This is an obvious disinformation post.
The quoted IRC stuff clearly does not come from an IRC channel.
And now it looks like the pro Zionist trolls are here too. Ooo disruptive troll fest on Bristol IM
pure FUD, Bristol you should really take it down.
As for the poster, if they're doing this in their spare time, well what sort of hobby is that?
If they're doing it professionally then what sort of job is that? lying for cash.
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ftp = lying
author by Friend of Gregpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 16:26Report this post to the editors
Good grief ftp with your record of porkies about the Gateway 303 cock-up and the lies you told about the whole Rise of the Independents article is it really likely that anybody will believe you or any of the indy uk collective now ? The Indymedia reputation was trashed by you over the Atzmon affair and your involvement in the SHAC trial revelations is well known by those of us who were involved at the time so cut the bullshit.
Get back to the excuse of an Indy site that you are ruining.
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Full of Spam?
author by Carbon Based Lifeformpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 16:42Report this post to the editors
I only found out about the Hidden Articles facility in Bindy thanks to a comment from an ill-wisher on this site itself.
Thank you, ill-wisher. A source of some amusement.
So you might have had a point, Ian, apart from the contra-indication that if you visit the Hidden Articles page it does not have any Turkish spam there, so presumably it has, in fact, been deleted, rather than kept hidden as bulk filler as you claim.
@ftp could you not put your denial up here as well, please?
Or is it too long?
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more trolling
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 16:49Report this post to the editors
@Man of long memory
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 15:14 is not by me
Related Link:
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The proof of DISINFORMATION is in the absence of EVIDENCE
author by 2% - Sheffield IMCpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 16:58Report this post to the editors
Disinformation is often characterised by a complete absence of any evidence that supports the claims the "information" makes, a case in point.
QUOTE: Ian for lauren
"One think to remember, their actions in recording IP details contributed in part to a number of SHAC people going to prison"
OK Ian let's see the evidence for the claim you're making here.
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An all new experience for Indy UK people
author by Hpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 17:49Report this post to the editors
This must be very hard for Indy UK people to deal with as can be seen by the number of them who have quickly turned up to slag off other posters.
They are used to being able to hide or delete posts they find inconvenient.
Well done Bristol keep it up
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@Carbon Based Lifeform
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24 18:01:27 2012
"@ftp could you not put your denial up here as well, please?"
sure - I posted the link cos others are posting as me as well'
here is the text of my denial:
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For the record - I have not been involved in any discussion about spamming
the wire with Turkish spam in IRC - neither have I spammed any wire with
Turkish spam - neither do I believe that any member of the IMC uk
collkective has done so.
I therefore urge the accuser to provide the evidence.
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note still no evidence is forthcoming.
"if you visit the Hidden Articles page it does not have any Turkish spam there"
Nothing has been hidden on Bindymedia today - which suggests that a filter has been set which is catching the turkish spam - as turkish spam has been posted to northern and nottingham today
for example - I have just hidden these:
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Karadayı 12.Bölüm izle
This post contradicts the Editorial Guidelines and has been hidden from the newswire.
read more >>
karadayi son bolum fragmani izle
This post contradicts the Editorial Guidelines and has been hidden from the newswire.
read more >>
Yalan Dünya 35.Bölüm izle
This post contradicts the Editorial Guidelines and has been hidden from the newswire.
read more >>
Yalan Dünya 35.Bölüm izle
This post contradicts the Editorial Guidelines and has been hidden from the newswire.
read more >>
Yer Gök Aşk 101.Bölüm izle
This post contradicts the Editorial Guidelines and has been hidden from the newswire.
read more >>
Leyla ile Mecnun 78.Bölüm izle
This post contradicts the Editorial Guidelines and has been hidden from the newswire.
read more >>
Yer Gök Aşk 101.Bölüm izle
This post contradicts the Editorial Guidelines and has been hidden from the newswire.
read more >>
Kanıt 98.Bölüm izle
This post contradicts the Editorial Guidelines and has been hidden from the newswire.
read more >>
Beni Affet 271.Bölüm izle
This post contradicts the Editorial Guidelines and has been hidden from the newswire.
read more >>
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"Friend of Greg" wrote in "ftp = lying"
"your involvement in the SHAC trial revelations is well known by those of us who were involved at the time so cut the bullshit. "
So Bristol Indymedia is being used as a platform to accuse me of being a police informer.
Here is what I suggested that Bristol IMC do:
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If Bristol IMC have any doubts about the accuracy of the claim I suggest they contact SHAC and ask them to confirm whether or not any IMC uk logs were presented in Greg Avery's trial. Even if the logs weren't used they should be in the disclosure bundle - and if it isn't then Greg would be entitled to a retrial or acquittal - if the claims are true.......
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I am disgusted that that article from November is still up
anyway - note the lack of evidence despite 'Ben' commenting on another thread:
" I suppose it was a bit of a shock seeing what you thought was a private IRC exchange posted here ?"
You will recall I deny that that irc conversation is real - and invite the posting of proof - all that follows is more lies.
If I am a police grass I think the evide3nce should be posted asap.
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Amazing
author by Carbon Based Lifeformpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 18:16Report this post to the editors
Is it just me or does anyone else think it's an amazing coincidence that someone called '2%' suddenly appears and starts conveniently backing up 'ftp' - within minutes last time? Why do they seem the same, even down to not being able to resist wittering on about "pro Zionist trolls"?
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How consistent will Bristol be?
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24 19:01:06 2012
An all new experience for Indy UK people
author by H publication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 17:49
"This must be very hard for Indy UK people to deal with as can be seen by the number of them who have quickly turned up to slag off other posters.
They are used to being able to hide or delete posts they find inconvenient.
Well done Bristol keep itQ up"
lets see how long they keep this up:
Does Bristol IMC welcome trolling?
category bristol | miscellaneous | news report author Monday December 24, 2012 15:53author by ftpauthor email freethepeeps at riseup dot net
bet not as long as this one:
Indymedia UK site - security warning
category south west | miscellaneous | announcement author Thursday November 29, 2012 16:13author by Hairy Strike
Oh and IMC uk has open lists - all Bristol IMC ones seem to be private....
'because of the current legal situation'
"We have had to close this list due to our current legal situation; we hope to be able to use entirely open list s in the future when this legal threat is over. "
now what legal situation would that be? and will it ever be over? isn't the story that the cops took the server and found nothing?
and these same 'comrades' are happy to leave up false claims of collaboration with cops....
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@greg re: disinformation
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24 19:23:17 2012
Now all we need is the evidence that it isn't disinformation.
at least 3 of your claims are easily disproved:
"Gateway 303 - disinformation"
"Mark Kennedy was a police informer - disinformation"
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/10/466477.html
"Rise of the Independents - disinformation "
so that leaves:
"IP Loggine - disinformation"
now where is the evidence to back that up?
Still not posted, is it?
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@Carbon Based Lifeform - not that amazing
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24 19:33:35 2012
2% is a member of the IMC uk collective:
therefore he is in a position to recognise what is essentially part of a longstanding disinformation campaign - as evidenced by my links in another comment:
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@greg re: disinformation
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24 19:23:17 2012
Now all we need is the evidence that it isn't disinformation.
at least 3 of your claims are easily disproved:
"Gateway 303 - disinformation"
"Mark Kennedy was a police informer - disinformation"
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/10/466477.html
"Rise of the Independents - disinformation "
so that leaves:
"IP Loggine - disinformation"
now where is the evidence to back that up?
Still not posted, is it?
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perhaps one of the Pixies will be able to produce the IRC chat we had earlier ......
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@Carbon Based Lifeform - more:
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24 19:48:24 2012
"someone called '2%' suddenly appears and starts conveniently backing up 'ftp' - within minutes last time?"
Hmmm so I first posted this comment
more trolling of bindymedia
author by ftp - imc ukpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:09Report this post to the editors
at 11:09
2% first posted on this thread:
Bristol Indymedia host of disinformation
author by 2% - Sheffield IMCpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 16:01
at 16:09
that'd be 300 minutes then ........ (or 5 hours as us UK IMC people like to call them ;-)
Carbon Based Lifeform" even down to not being able to resist wittering on about "pro Zionist trolls"
maybe you missed this comment:
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Time on your hands
author by Benpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 14:48Report this post to the editors
"It seems sad that you have nothing better to do with your time than invent lies about Indymedia sites."
It seems sad that you have nothing better to do with your time than invent lies about Israel and Jews yet you do Roy. Here and elsewhere.
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both 2% and I easily recognise that author. He is the same person who wrote: "Rise and Rise of the Independents" - the "invent lies about Israel and Jews" strongly suggests a Zionist, no?
and the contents of the 'Amazing' comment:
Amazing
author by Carbon Based Lifeformpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 18:16Report this post to the editors
suggest it too is written by him.
btw I suspect 'Amazing' was not written by the same person who wrote 'Full of Spam':
Full of Spam?
author by Carbon Based Lifeformpublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 16:42
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Trolling and disinformation
author by Stevepublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 20:03Report this post to the editors
Trolling and disinformation is the excuse IMC moderators use whenever they are faced with information they want hidden with FTP being one of the most frequent accusers.
The UK site lost all credibility for me after the fork when the Mayday collective threw their toys out of the pram and stole the URL, since then I have only poster here at Bristol Indy where the collective can be trusted.
The accusations a above about the Turkish spam are probably true, all the other stuff they called disinformation has been shown to be fact so I expect this will as well.
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It's Christmas Eve Roy
author by One of Bristol indymediapublication date Mon Dec 24, 2012 20:12Report this post to the editors
For the love of God don't you ever stop complaining ?
You have your own news wire and even though it is not a real Indymedia site why not stick to that and stop spamming our news wire with your constant demands and complaints
Have a Happy Christmas Roy.
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@One of Bristol indymedia
author by ftppublication date Mon Dec 24 21:38:12 2012
If you were really 'One of Bristol indymedia' then you could stop this by getting rid of it.
As I'm not a Christian I don't see what Christmas has to do with anything........
@Steve
" since then I have only poster here at Bristol Indy where the collective can be trusted"
oh look - you're not the only one :-D
For Lauren
author by Ian
"If you live in the South West stick to Bindy, all posts here end up on the UK site anyway because they copy them but you don't have to face the risks of posting on the UK site."
lol at the risks of posting on the Indymedia site - has no-one heard of Tor? And 99.9999% of the posts to IMC uk are of no interest to the cops at all :-D
You can post anonymously here at BIndy.
author by Bindy supporter
I only post here, never on the uk site.
and on the November thread:
They have form
author by SHAC Supporter
"I trust Bristol INDY I don't trust INDY UK, it's a simple as that for me."
Missing the point
author by Seeing the bigger picture
"This is the key difference between the uk site and here at Bristol. When the Bristol server was seized by the cops they found nothing on it, Bristol was doing what it said it was doing, when the same situation was duplicated at the uk site they were found to have been lying at is seems highly likely they are doing the same now. "
Either one person is trying to drive a message home - or Bristol has a surplus of people who lie and believe the same thing.
I reckon its the former.
What about you?
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advice for ftp
author by someone elsepublication date Tue Dec 25, 2012 00:09Report this post to the editors
Why don't you just fuck off
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@someone else
author by ftppublication date Tue Dec 25 09:13:51 2012
I can see that you're not a Christian either. :-D
For as long as Bristol Indymedia allows itself to be a platform for unsubtantiated accusations against me I intend to be hanging around.
So either provide evidence that I am responsible for these things, or get the reports down.
Its not that hard to work out.
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@ftp
author by Someone elsepublication date Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:18Report this post to the editors
Nobody cares what you think. Just fuck off
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@Someone else: 'Respect'
author by ftppublication date Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:31Report this post to the editors
Someone else: "Nobody cares what you think. Just fuck off"
Yeah - Happy Christmas to you too.
Here's one suggestion - why don't you just ignore my posts? After all I'm not suggesting that you are a grass, that your project keeps logs and hands them to the cops, or that you spam newswires with Turkish football results to ensure they are unworkable, are they?
In the meantime - until such time as concrete evidence to back up the claims is forthcoming (which is impossible) or the posts are removed expect to see a lot of me around here.
Trolling is well easy, any fool can do it.
On the other hands, mods should be taking steps to ensure that individuals aren't being wrongly smeared through the newswires.
BTW you really are a poor quality troll :-( substandard even......
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ftp
phwoar
27.12.2012 01:01
what a blinkin' mess.
cripes!