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Captain Swing | 04.12.2012 23:21 | Public sector cuts | Workers' Movements

Join the Protest - London Strand, assemble Kings College, 5.30pm, Weds Dec 5th

Make stickers, post on Facebook etc, help yourselves....
Make stickers, post on Facebook etc, help yourselves....


Save Public Services, Tax the Multinationals! Join the Protest - London Strand, assemble Kings College, Strand, London WC2, 5.30pm Weds Dec 5th

 https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/12/503649.html

Captain Swing

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new at this

04.12.2012 23:50

given that most anarchists dont want to pay/dont pay taxes, this is all a bit rich.

virgin

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@ Virgin

05.12.2012 00:12

I have paid plenty of taxes over the years - willingly - I'm up for it all......... now shut up or fuck off

Where does it say in the post "anarchist"?

Silent Bob

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EVERYONE pays taxes... ever heard of VAT

05.12.2012 00:47

@Virgin - EVERYONE pays taxes dipstick... ever heard of VAT

Owl

Starbucks Logos - Corporate Scroungers & Vampires

05.12.2012 00:52

Starbucks Logo - Corporate Scroungers
Starbucks Logo - Corporate Scroungers

Starbucks Logo - Corporate Vampires
Starbucks Logo - Corporate Vampires

Very Good News for Radical Tax Protestors! –
 https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/12/503531.html

Dean

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oh really

05.12.2012 00:53

>>I have paid plenty of taxes over the years - willingly - I'm up for it all......... now shut up or fuck off
Well done......... and why exacly should I "shut the or fuck off" ?
Who put you in charge? no-one
What gives you the right? You are a nobody with a big mouth like a little yappy dog.

>>Where does it say in the post "anarchist"?
You really are a bit thick arn't you? Captain Swing is a known Anarchist. My comment was aimed at Captain Swing, not you or anybody else. Your ignorance is astounding. I dont get where you just stick your nose in other people's business where clearly you have no idea what it is about and just fumble around in the dark with no clue about anything, shooting your mouth off and making yourself look like an ignorant fool.

virgin

Tax Vampires

05.12.2012 00:56

 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tax%20vampire

Wire

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@dipstick

05.12.2012 00:57

<< @Virgin - EVERYONE pays taxes dipstick... ever heard of VAT

lol dumbass! apparently starbuck and amazon don't as per this article lol! put your foot in it eh?
never mind. And there are different kinds of tax. you pas VAT of purchases and income tax on money earnt......... i didnt expect you to know this, so never mind

virgin

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@Virgin

05.12.2012 01:02

If you're new to something, reserve judgement until you know what you're talking about. "Swing" is an Olde English word meaning "Labour".... as in "hard work". "Captain Swing" was fictitious and symbolic entity, "described as a hard-working tenant farmer driven to destitution and despair by social and political change in the early nineteenth century" -

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Swing

As a self-employed person, I pay Income Tax, Class II and IV NIC, and as a consumer I pay VAT on virtually all purchases as well as paying massive fuel tax

Swingometer

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Context

05.12.2012 01:19

OUT of context the word "everyone" can be willfully misrepresented as including Amazon and Starbucks, IN context of the article and of the other comments it clearly means that even "anarchists" pay taxes (!) at the very least VAT.

The issue with multinational tax thieves is however their use of tax-funded infrastructure in context of their avoidance of Corporation Tax (try to keep up).

Congratulations on the semantic nit-picking, but when even David Cameron (who I believe is not an Anarchist) has admitted cracking down on corporate tax avoidance is a major issue it's pretty obvious twerps like "Virgin" misrepresenting single words, out of context, isn't going to help make the issue go away

Pay attention

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History virgin - Captain WHO?

05.12.2012 02:05

Captain Swing a known anarchist?

 http://www.permanentculturenow.com/captain-swing/

It's not really about tax is it? it's about social justice.

Any way virgin looks like they're just here to disrupt this thread.

2%

Ideology?

05.12.2012 13:20

The Tory cuts are as much about ideology than they are to do with Westminister's coffers being a bit low. With that in mind I don't really see how getting corporations to pay tax translates into cut public services being re-instated. I'd be interested to hear why people think that it will, so far all I've seen is propaganda seeing that it will with nothing to back it up.

n/a

@ n/a

05.12.2012 13:56

Blimey some people are desperate. The cuts are being justified on grounds that the country is in a "deficit" - a deficit which wouldn't exist at all (whether it's an ideological construct or a genuinely real problem) if the govt taxed multinationals properly

As for you seeing "propaganda.... with nothing to back it up" the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee and even David Cameron have admitted multinational tax evasion is a major problem, so, twerps like you aside, the problem isn't one of wether there's "nothing" to back-up this argument, the problem now is whether Cameron's promises to actually do anything about it can actually be trusted

Meldrew

genuine debate to be had

05.12.2012 16:35

OK so there are some trolls about (you can tell from the way they argue that they are determined to misrepresent and find fault with everything).

But that aside, there is a genuine debate to be had about the political pitfalls of "tax justice" campaigning. It can be useful as a way of highlighting the double-standards and inequality in our society, and pressuring the state to shift the tax burden from the poor towards the rich. But it can also be quite self-defeating if it perpetuates an idea of the State being capable of being fair and impartial.

I think what I'm trying to say is, the State will only ever be used to reduce inequality in response to a threat to the system itself from us ordinary folks. For example, the creation of the welfare state after WW2. They didn't do that out of the goodness of their hearts!

So calls for the State to redistribute wealth more fairly can be effective if they translate into anger against the entire system, and include a willingness to bypass the State in putting that anger into action. But in the long term we need to get rid of the State altogether, otherwise any gains made will be quietly reversed as soon as public anger dies down. And we need to be clear that that is our ultimate aim, otherwise we perpetuate the same old liberal myths.

bob

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@2%

05.12.2012 23:09

>> Any way virgin looks like they're just here to disrupt this thread.

Disruption (and trolling) is a lawful, peaceful and non violent form of protest. The right to protest is not something you can quash just because it happens to be protesting again you.

virgin

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@ virgin

06.12.2012 00:36

No-one is trying to "quash" you. Part of the reason for posting material like this is, FYI, to help smoke-out and to expose supporters of austerity etc, and to expose their beliefs and their arguments for being the nonsense that they are, as proven above]

Thanks for taking the bait

Norm

@meldrew

06.12.2012 16:20

My comment was perfectly polite, and a serious question. You did not answer it. There is no desperation but a real critique. Cameron has said that it's a major problem, fine. I've seen nothing saying that he will see things like the EMA being re-instated etc. once starbucks have paid their corporation tax. The Tory party are not socialists, and they will not spend money on re-instating welfare services they have just cut. Neither will Labour.

n/a

@mildew

06.12.2012 21:33

>Blimey some people are desperate. The cuts are being justified on grounds that the country is in a "deficit" - a deficit which wouldn't exist at all (whether it's an ideological construct or a genuinely real problem) if the govt taxed multinationals properly

Lol! You really havnt got a clue have you?
The deficit is the amount we fall short of. Ie we have a big debt, the deficit is the about we short fall of in repaying the installments on the debt

The debt is much, much, much, much larger than what large multinationals pay in tax.

james bond need to know

@ James Bond

06.12.2012 23:10


You're right "the debt IS much, much, much, much larger than what large multinationals pay in tax"

That's exactly why people are arguing the multinationals have to pay more tax

Thanks :)

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ppffff

06.12.2012 23:31

Ah, your mistake you are doing is reading the Guardian

so the deficit would still exist whether you tax the multinationals or not because they really don't contribute that much afterall.

mildew

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@mildew

07.12.2012 00:00

Your statement that "the deficit would still exist whether you tax the multinationals or not because they really don't contribute that much afterall" is literally a contradiction in terms

You're thick as pig-shit

DVD-R

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@DVD+positive

07.12.2012 00:21


No it isn't

You are pig-shit

mildew

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