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Interview With Militant Prisoner John Bowden

Leeds Anarchist Black Cross | 20.11.2012 09:51 | Repression | Liverpool | World

Recent interview with John Bowden by Bristol-based publication 'From Here On In' to be published in the next issue ( http://fromhereonin2012.wordpress.com/).
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Interview With Militant Prisoner John Bowden

John Bowden was arrested for murder in 1980 and sentenced to life imprisonment. After twelve years of institutionalised brutality and repression, he managed to escape in 1992 and was on the run from the police for a year and a half. He was recaptured in 1994 and has since been moved from prison to prison for constantly speaking out and acting against the prison industrial complex.

FHOI - It would seem a bit false to start an interview without knowing anything more about you than the brief introduction offers. Tell you a bit about your life and how you feel that may have affected who and where you are now.

JB - The circumstances and history of my life before prison are familiar to many long-term prisoners; a materially very poor childhood, often accentuated by racism, and an inclination to rebel and challenge rules. Then the long trek through brutal institutions; children’s ‘homes’, secure-units, youth custody institutions, and finally maximum-security prisons. Most “violent offenders” are created and manufactured within youth custody institutions, where violence is used to maintain control and discipline, and used as an expression of power. Young offenders learn quickly that an ability and willingness to use violence determines one’s place in the institutional pecking order, an order sanctified by those in charge. Before my politicisation in jail, and discovery of solidarity as a true weapon of authentic empowerment, I was a classic example of a violent state-raised offender, a creation of the system.

FHOI - Tell us about the routine of prison life. When do you wake-up, eat, exercise and sleep, and how does this affect the mentality and morale of yourself and your fellow prisoners?

JB - The daily routine of prison life is structured and designed to crush the human spirit and engender total and absolute obedience. Long-term prisoners, especially, experience what feels like an eternity of timeless, soul-destroying, rigidly-structured monotony, where one physically ages in a total vacuum of psychological stimulation and emotional experience, apart from anger, despair, and complete disempowerment. It is a man-made hell, and intrinsically designed to break and destroy any spirit of resistance. Personally, my strategy for psychological survival is to recognise and interact with the official regime here as little as possible; although confined physically within the prison, I create my own personal daily routine and a small piece of my own space. I don’t work in the jail workshops on principle, so my average day is usually spent working-out in the gym and reading and studying in my cell. Although in jail, my mind is free and unrestrained, and ultimately that’s where the final struggle takes place – a struggle to maintain the freedom and integrity of one’s mind.

FHOI - What are the current conditions of your imprisonment and the legal context surrounding your case? For instance, are you due a parole hearing in the near future, and if so, is anybody trying to prevent that?

JB - My current situation is one of impasse with the system. Last year the Parole Board reviewed my case and decided that I represented minimal risk to the community and should be transferred to an open prison in preparation for release. The prison system refused to comply with the Board’s request, and basically said that unless the Board ordered my release, the prison authorities would decide if and when I would be transferred to an open jail, and at the moment there was no intention to allow me out of maximum security conditions because of my “anti-authoritarian” attitude and refusal to comply with whatever prison management dictated. The Parole Board’s position is that I must be in an open jail before they consider my release, and so it’s a vicious circle situation, with both sides, the prison system and the Parole Board, almost colluding to prevent my release. At some point, I will probably have to see a Judicial Review and take the case to the courts, and possibly even the European Court of Human Rights. In fact, I’m now being held under a form of preventative detention, which under European human rights law is illegal.

FHOI - Have you ever worked within the prisons you’ve been incarcerated in? If not, what are your reasons for refusal, but if yes, what have been your experiences of prison labour?

JB - I have very little experience of prison labour and on principle have often refused to co-operate with it on the grounds that it amounts to forced slave labour, which under European and UN law is of course totally illegal. I have, however, often organised mass work-strikes in jail, (in Perth jail in 1994 we virtually closed the jail down for four days). So there is real potential to use the prison labour issue as an instrument for creating and mobilising real and effective solidarity in jail.

FHOI - What is your opinion on immediate issues such as a minimum wage for prisoners, or whether prisoners should get the vote? How do you see these struggles (whether they exist in action or not) within the context of the struggle against the prison system, state, and capital as a whole?

JB - I think we need to be very careful about supporting palliative reforms, like voting rights for prisoners and the minimum wage, because there’s a danger of legitimizing prison as an institution. That is the danger of the whole prison reform enterprise, that it seeks to reform an institution and system that is intrinsically irreformable, and instead should be completely abolished. We also need to ask ourselves which reforms of the prison system undermine and weaken it, and which ultimately legitimize and consolidate it. Tactically, I’m certainly not opposed to liberal reforms of the prison system, but only as a means to weakening and subverting it, and definitely NOT as an attempt at making prisons “better” and more respectable places. What has our so-called “liberal democracy” fundamentally achieved for the poor and powerless in our society? And will allowing prisoners access to that sham REALLY improve their conditions and make jails less oppressive and inhumane? I think not.

FHOI - A lot has been written from radical perspectives on how society on the outside more and more resembles the prison. What is your personal or shared experience (with other prisoners) of this depiction?

JB - Prison has always existed as a microcosm of the wider society, and also as a concentrated laboratory of repression and social control. In so many ways, the society beyond jail is little more than an open prison, where people’s lives are controlled and regulated by an omnipresent state. The unfortunate difference is of course that the majority of people on the outside in the wider society are unaware of their captivity, and so are mostly compliant with it, whilst in here we KNOW we exist under the iron heel of the state, and even the most co-operative prisoner harbours a hatred of it. The state generally is becoming more oppressive and intrusive, more all-controlling, as the economic fabric of our capitalist, class-divided society disintegrates, and rich and poor become even more polarised and antagonistic. And whilst we in prison are daily confronted with even more repressive regimes, so the poor in the wider society will also experience greater repression. Ultimately, it’s one struggle and one fight against a common state enemy, inside and outside prison.

FHOI - You have written a great deal on the purpose and development of the prison industry whilst inside. Why do you do this, and how do you imagine the information continues after leaving your hands?

JB - I have written much about the development of the prison industry because I think it’s important to highlight the way prisons are being used increasingly as a source of profit and cheap enslaved labour. I hope that the information and perspective that I communicate is used to raise awareness and inform a debate and struggle.

FHOI - Finally, what has been the most inspiring or heart-warming moment of your time behind bars?My life in prison has mostly been hard and difficult, and a real struggle against overwhelming adversity. But there have been moments of victory and inspiration, when my faith in the strength and beauty of the human spirit has been deeply confirmed.

JB - I still vividly remember my first participation in an organized protest at Wormwood Scrubs prison way back in about 1981, and how it changed me deeply as a person. The guards in the jail had been routinely brutalising prisoners, and had created a regime based on absolute fear, even terror. A few days before the protest I was involved in a peaceful protest by prisoners in one wing of the jail, which had been crushed with savage violence and brutality, and its “ringleaders” beaten and batoned all the way to he punishment unit. An atmosphere of fear subsequently prevailed in the jail and the guards swaggered around with an almost omnipotent arrogance and confidence. When a prisoner on the exercise yard one day suggested we should stage a sit-down protest, in solidarity with the prisoners whose recent protest had been so inhumanely crushed, I recall how a shiver of fear and apprehension ran through everyone on the yard. To protest in such a place was to invite terrible retribution, and yet all of us silently nodded and agreed to refuse to obey the order to leave the yard on the completion of the one hour exercise period. Initially, the guards grinned and smirked when we remained on the yard and refused to return to our cells, and then their mood and demeanour grew serious and more hostile as time passed. There were about 200 of us on the yard that day, men who usually associated only with their own groups or gangs, men from a diversity of ethnic backgrounds, men who imbued with prison culture, usually treated each other with suspicion, hostility, or indifference. On this day however, on that drab prison exercise yard, with fear and anticipation in the air, a unity developed that was unbreakable and absolute. We all recognised a common purpose and humanity, and we all knew that together we were strong and would prevail, whatever brutality was inflicted on us. The guards also saw and recognised our collective defiance, and fear replaced their arrogance. For the first time in my life, a life largely spent in brutal state institutions, I felt incredibly strong and empowered, and began to understand the dynamics of true struggle and solidarity, and it changed me irrevocably. Despite countless struggles and protests in jail since, the feelings of that day remain very precious and memorable.



Recent articles about John’s situation here:  http://leedsabc.org/john-bowden-time-to-get-him-out/ and  http://leedsabc.org/the-unlawful-detention-of-john-bowden/

You can download John Bowden’s pamphlet ‘Tear Down The Walls!’ free of charge from the Leeds ABC website at:  http://leedsabc.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Tear-Down-The-Walls-2010.pdf

Also check out a pamphlet recently produced by our comrades at Bristol ABC to which John contributed:  http://leedsabc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/cscs-torture-units-in-the-uk-screen31.pdf

Other articles by John can be read on the Leeds ABC website (www.leedsabc.org ), as well on the websites of our sister ABC groups in Bristol (  http://bristolabc.wordpress.com/ ), Brighton (www.brightonabc.org.uk ), and London (  https://network23.org/london/abc ).

Please send letters/cards of support to John at:
John Bowden, 6729, HMP Shotts, Cantrell Road, Shotts, Scotland, ML7 4LE.
You can also send e-mails to John (or any other prisoner) via:  http://www.emailaprisoner.com

A guide on writing to prisoners can be found here:  http://leedsabc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/writing-to-prisoners-2012.pdf

Leeds ABC have printed 2000 ‘Free John Bowden stickers’ - see  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/10/500839.html

We will also have ‘Free John Bowden T-shirts available. See  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/10/501867.html or come and check out the Leeds ABC bookstall at Manchester Anarchist Bookfair on Saturday December 1st.

FREE JOHN BOWDEN!

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- e-mail: leedsabc@riseup.net
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Anarchists in Madrid RAN the prisons during the Spanish revolution -

20.11.2012 14:22

A sadistic killer who cut up a man with a saw -
 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/05/17/saw-killer-john-bowden-goes-on-run-from-prison-86908-20420344/

The achilles heel of Anarchism is its' most naive militants' attitude to prisons and to anti-social crime, why does a group exist whose only purpose seems to be to draw attention to that weakness? Here's your answer -

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/10/500844.html

Anarchists in Madrid RAN the prisons during the Republic -

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchor_Rodríguez

Interestingly Melchor Rodríguez was a member of the real FAI - the Iberian Anarchist Federation - as opposed to the agent-provocateur terror group associated with the Conspiracy Trolls of Fire who've since tried to usurp the FAI name and to discredit Anarchists

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Free Peter Sutcliffe why not

20.11.2012 23:40

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free that psyco?

21.11.2012 08:34

no way!
he murdered someone by hacking them up with a meat clever, while they were still alive, he should learn the value of human life by staying in prison for ever.

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21.11.2012 10:24

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he murdered someone in a very vicious manner

21.11.2012 13:50

"They were arrested after locals in the pub noticed they were covered in blood."

if he was a rapist, and become politicised after 30 years in prison you wouldn't touch him with a barge pole, so why has Leeds ABC got all excited for this one?

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he is a murderer, i have no sympathy for him

21.11.2012 14:46

he didn't kill a politican or bank manager or neo-nazi.

he killed a park warden from Camberwell in a bath tub. with his mates. for money.

why does indymedia delete the other comments?

he should remain in prison, he can still be political, expressive and write letters. he may demand better conditions for prisoners, but he can't be allowed freedom, he must be responsible for his actions.

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talk sense

21.11.2012 15:08

you obviously are a moralist, still believe that priosn will ratify all the ills of society and beyond that it creates. i'd like to see you banged up, see what it is like to have your freedom taken away from you, change how you perceive what you did, work tirelessly against the prison system politically and then have some moralistic prick like yourself say you should stay inside, then lets see how long you preach about how others should stay in forever. this man has more integrety than you will ever have to be who he is now rather than what he was. stop your screwed perception that someone can never change.

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haha,

21.11.2012 20:34

funny i'd like to see you murdered in a bath tub also.

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the purpose of prison

21.11.2012 22:30

> you obviously are a moralist, still believe that priosn will ratify all the ills of society and beyond that it creates.

Er no..... You've completely missed the point of what prison is for...
Prison is designed to lock up dangerous people so that they are no longer a danger to innocent people in society. Eg. when a man kidnaps a child and murders them, we lock them up in prison not to "ratify all the ills of society" but to protect the rest of us. That way, my child has slightly more chance of growing up without a victim of a sadistic killer (not John - but you get my meaning - i'm just stating the purpose of prisons).

> i'd like to see you banged up, see what it is like to have your freedom taken away from you,
Why?! I have not robbed/murdered/attacked/raped anyone.
If you don't like prison.... don't do things that gets you put in one! (this isn't difficult stuff!)
I've managed to get through life achieving this, so have many, many other people.

> change how you perceive what you did, work tirelessly against the prison system politically and then have some moralistic prick like yourself say you should stay inside, then lets see how long you preach about how others should stay in forever.

I repeat... prison is not about him, it is about people like me. I pay taxes to protect myself and my family from people who kill/rob/rape/kidnap/murder. I don't want to see my daughter grow up in a world where murderers could kidnap her whilst she walks home in the dark.

> this man has more integrety than you will ever have to be who he is now rather than what he was. stop your screwed perception that someone can never change.

I beg to differ. For a starter - I'm not a murderer.
Maybe he has changed - but, ultimately, why should society put themselves at risk to murderes. I don't believe anyone can be an ex-murderer.

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he killed someone really sadistically

22.11.2012 04:11

read about it.

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To the prick above

22.11.2012 15:52

John Bowden isn't in prison because of the murder he committed, with 2 other men, 30-odd years ago. His 2 co-defendants were released over 20 years ago, and the Parole Board have said that John Bowden should be moved to open conditions in preparation for release. He is being held in prison because of his politics and willingness to stand up for the rights of prisoners. How the fuck do reactionary wankers like you find their way to Indymedia unless it's to deliberately troll threads?

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22.11.2012 18:47

>> John Bowden isn't in prison because of the murder he committed, with 2 other men, 30-odd years ago.

Actually - he is.

>> His 2 co-defendants were released over 20 years ago,
Which has exactly what to do with John? So if Prisoner A is released, then all other prisoners should be automatically released too?

>> and the Parole Board have said that John Bowden should be moved to open conditions in preparation for release.
Which he has history of illegal absconding from, so he is denied that priviledge. Priviledges are earned not entitled.

>He is being held in prison because of his politics and willingness to stand up for the rights of prisoners.
No, he is held in prisoner because he murdered someone and he perceived to be a continued risk to innocent people in society.

>> How the fuck do reactionary wankers like you find their way to Indymedia unless it's to deliberately troll threads?
I'm paid to do it by the government + its a free country - there is no law saying that I am not allowed to comment here.

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Earth calling Rosemary

22.11.2012 22:17


>> Actually - he is.

No, actually he's in prison for never backing down to the screws and the parole board, you might have missed it spending all that time writing on hostile forums.

>> Which has exactly what to do with John? So if Prisoner A is released, then all
>> other prisoners should be automatically released too?

Case in point, if it was about his index offence he should have already been released- he is being held long over his tariff, only because he won't bow his head to a bunch of oddball control freaks and right-wing shrinks.

>> Which he has history of illegal absconding from, so he is denied that priviledge.
>> Priviledges are earned not entitled.

I wasn't aware that there was such as thing as "legal" absconding, are you a genius as well as a state troll?

John did a runner from a shopping trip on open conditions because he shit-it after the screws were trying to fit him up with a dodgy drug-test to ruin his parole application, and it is hardly a big deal. Noticed you haven't bothered yet with the "terrorist" smear against him and the Anarchist Black Cross... bit unbelievable that one wasn't it? Did you drop that one?

He is "entitled" to leave prison now he's done his time. Or is that a "priviledge" too mate?

>> No, he is held in prisoner because he murdered someone and he perceived to be a
>> continued risk to innocent people in society.

Bollocks, even the Parole Board say he's a stubborn daft harmless old man. The real reason is because the state has got it in for him and the Anarchist Black Cross interfering with their prison regimes and especially for any prisoner who has the gall to publically complain about their conditions or the conditions of thousands and thousands of other prisoners. The great thing is that you fucking scum are sitting on a timebomb and you know it. That's why you're here writing this dickhead.

>> I'm paid to do it by the government + its a free country - there is no law saying
>> that I am not allowed to comment here.

In a free country people wouldn't be sent to prison for saying that all British solidiers should "go to hell".

You are a very poor writer and you should try harder for your wages, little slave prison worker troll.

Also, if there was a law against commenting here, would it stop you?

Now please fuck off back to the LibCon and your arselicker POA trade union.

Anarcho


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lets release him

22.11.2012 23:27

>> Actually - he is.
No, actually he's in prison for never backing down to the screws and the parole board, you might have missed it spending all that time writing on hostile forums.

No, he is in prison for murdering someone.


>> Which has exactly what to do with John? So if Prisoner A is released, then all
>> other prisoners should be automatically released too?
Case in point, if it was about his index offence he should have already been released- he is being held long over his tariff, only because he won't bow his head to a bunch of oddball control freaks and right-wing shrinks.

I interpret that as: he has not satisfied the requirements for his release. His inability to fit in with the basic rules, coupled with the severity of his crime, suggests that he would be a unacceptable risk to the public. No one is going to put their job/career on the line by releasing someone who appears to be such a loose cannon. Should it not turn out as planned, then they would be crucified in the Daily Mail. Hence - why should they risk their livihood because of some trumped up prisoner wants to prove a point?


>> I wasn't aware that there was such as thing as "legal" absconding, are you a genius as well as a state troll?

There isn't such a thing as legal absconding! jeez - what is it with you people?


>> John did a runner from a shopping trip on open conditions because he shit-it after the screws were trying to fit him up with a dodgy drug-test to ruin his parole application, and it is hardly a big deal. Noticed you haven't bothered yet with the "terrorist" smear against him and the Anarchist Black Cross... bit unbelievable that one wasn't it? Did you drop that one?

His choice = cause & effect. Or.... maybe he just said that once he got caught? I have heard that people who break the law and then get caught sometimes lie to try avoid punishment.

>> He is "entitled" to leave prison now he's done his time. Or is that a "priviledge" too mate?
Is he? The reality of the situation suggests otherwise.

>> No, he is held in prisoner because he murdered someone and he perceived to be a
>> continued risk to innocent people in society.
Bollocks, even the Parole Board say he's a stubborn daft harmless old man. The real reason is because the state has got it in for him and the Anarchist Black Cross interfering with their prison regimes and especially for any prisoner who has the gall to publically complain about their conditions or the conditions of thousands and thousands of other prisoners. The great thing is that you fucking scum are sitting on a timebomb and you know it. That's why you're here writing this dickhead.

It seems that (according to you), he remains in prison BECAUSE of the black cross.
Well heres a master plan then. Why doesn't he go along with them until he gets released. Then once on the outside, he 'blows the lid' on the the whole ticking timebomb. Maybe he'd get on newsnight as the inside man who whistle blew on the prison service? Its a win-win.

> That's why you're here writing this dickhead.
How could you possibly know anything? It you're whole reasoning is based on stupid statements like that then you are going to be wrong 100% of the time.

>> In a free country people wouldn't be sent to prison for saying that all British solidiers should "go to hell".
thats because no one has been sent to prison - duhhh! + i dont know how people do things in other countries, but a 'free country' doesn't translate into people just doing any old shit they they want to. We have a thing here called The Law. Its for thing like punishing killers etc.

>> You are a very poor writer and you should try harder for your wages, little slave prison worker troll.
Yeah whatever. Irrelevent twaddle.

>> Also, if there was a law against commenting here, would it stop you?
Absolutely - I would stop. Because i don't break the law unlike other people.

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Roast Beef

23.11.2012 01:27

You are clearly just an exposed nutcase!

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Will ABC be campaigning for Peter Sutcliffe and Ian Brady next?!

24.11.2012 12:08

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The pathological censoriousness and dishonesty of Indymedia

25.11.2012 00:42

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what a tit

01.12.2012 12:50

when murderers start telling you when they should be released, you know something is seriously fucked if anyone starts listening to them.

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You're destroying Anarchism

04.12.2012 00:04

deliberately

Sf


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John Bowden and Rikki from Indymedia

04.12.2012 00:04

The reason this thread's had more comments removed by Indymedia moderators than virtually any other, isn't, IMHO, so much because John Bowden's a man who was jailed for sawing-up the guy he was in the process of murdering while his victim was still alive, but because the Indy mods are physically SCARED of the people from ABC

What does it say about that in the IMC guidelines?

 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/saw-killer-john-bowden-goes-977550

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