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Sussex Police in bed with the gangsters.

Al Capone | 12.11.2012 10:31

Police corruption in Sussex goes to new heights. The elections for Police and CXrime Commissioner are taking place this week. Will the person appointed be able to stand up to the problems?

Sussex includes areas as Brighton and Hove, as well as other places where gangsters are in control. There are rich pickings for the criminals with drugs, illegal alcohol sales, people trafficking and prostitution.

The fact is that in areas as Brighton and Hove, the gangsters run the show. Reports are that "There are 12 Mr Big types in Brighton who are so big that no one can touch them". One of these is Nicholas Hoogstraten, a landord, hotel, pub and club owner, who runs his empire like Chicago in the 1920s.

So you might expect Sussex Police to try and clean up these large scale criminal enterprises. You would be wrong. Not only do they offer protection to the gangsters, they act as enforcers for them.

Anyone who upsets, or threatens, the profits of crime run by the gangsters, finds they have Sussex Plod after them. The innocent who complains in more likely to be charged and arrested than the criminals.

This state of affairs has continued for years. Will whoever is appointed Polic and Crime Commissioner take them on and clean it up?

Al Capone

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Sources?

12.11.2012 11:29

Where are you sources for these claims?

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@ Skeptic

12.11.2012 12:07

Fuck off troll.

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come on, think about this logically

12.11.2012 12:17

The police put drug dealers out of business.
But they don't put all drug dealers out of business,
they only put some drug dealers out of business.
That has the effect of pushing up drug prices.
Which makes dealing drugs very profitable, for the few who are left.

The more the police crack down, the more the price goes up.
So the more profits are available for the few who are left in business.
The more profits available, for the few, the more it is worth taking risks.

It doesn't really matter wether or not the police are directly or even intentionally involved in the drugs trade, they are involved just by their very existence.
And they're not helping the ordinary drug dealers,
they're helping the elite, the aristocracy of drug dealers.

That's why, if we want to get rid of nasty horrible criminals, we have to get rid of the police.

anarchist

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You lot are a total joke!

12.11.2012 13:04

QUOTE: " if we want to get rid of nasty horrible criminals, we have to get rid of the police."

I am sure that one will be a vote winner! I know the average intellengence of the Indymedia crew is quite low but that statement is the hight of ignorance. I thought the moonies were mad you lot are make them look quite sane.

Indymedia crew are totally out to lunch

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Police = criminals

12.11.2012 13:32

You are the fucking joke my main man.

HH

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disclaimer

12.11.2012 14:04

I am in no way connected to the indymedia crew.
The observations which I express are entirely my own, and not intended to express the opinions of the indymedia crew.

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vote winning policies

12.11.2012 14:08

I should point out that Hitlers policies wore a vote winner in his time.

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Police

12.11.2012 14:36

And I would like to point out that all societies need individuals to enforce their rules. That's why the police exist.

Grow up

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The police are only relatively recent invention

12.11.2012 15:16

Human beings have been living without the police for far longer than they have with them...
First police force was sort of started around 1829.

Communities will always need to 'police' themselves against anti-social behaviour but there are many different ways of doing this without the need for a police force...


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it'd be anarchy

12.11.2012 15:29

But if communities "policed" themselves, would they enforce central government political policies on themselves? And if not how could central government ensure that the rich continue to get richer and the poor continue to get poorer? Society as we know it would just break down.

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Don't be so silly 'Observer'

12.11.2012 16:13

There has always been some form of collective enforcement of commonly respected rules. Before they were called 'Police' they were called Sheriff and before that scīrgerefa in Old English. Trying to pretend the police are a recent thing because we have only be calling them that for a few generations is silly. All societies of whatever level of sophistication have individuals tasked with ensuring the common good through enforcement of rules.

Grow up

Community policing

12.11.2012 16:58

Um I'm sort of assuming that most communities police themselves according to their own priorities and needs and not really following any centralised system or central government policies.

Isn't that how things really work in the real world? And why in fact central governments are mostly irrelevant and find it incredibly difficult to change people's behaviour...

Which is why they like having police forces... So the polcie forces can force people to follow central governments laws...

Which is why anarchists don't believe in central governments or police forces cos not only don't they work very well but also they cause a load of misery trying to enforce laws that people don't really want or accept...

Such as drug laws for example....

Policing was only invented when the urban poor had grown so large that they started to threaten the rich and needed controlling in a different way so that people could be forced to work in factories or something like that?

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Why we need to grow up

12.11.2012 17:22

All good children obey their parents.
Only very naughty children disobey there parents.
And when you go to school, you obey your teachers.
You obey your lectures if you want good grades.
You obey your boss if you want promotion at work.
If you join the forces you obey the officers set over you, or get courtmartialed, even if your officers tell you to go and murder people, you must obey.
And you obey the law,
the political policy of the time.
The law is, of cause, just the opinion of the ruling class.
The law is nothing fundamentally to do with right and wrong. It's just whatever happens to suit them at the time. Thats why laws change over time. Fundamental right and wrong doesn't change.

It's just in western culture, that virtue is believed to be obedience to authority, and hard work. And we wonder why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

GROW UP.

 http://board.freedomainradio.com/blogs/freedomain/archive/2008/09/25/universally-preferable-behavior-a-rational-proof-of-secular-ethics.aspx

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic

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Erm.

12.11.2012 17:36

"I am sure that one will be a vote winner! I know the average intellengence of the Indymedia crew is quite low but that statement is the hight of ignorance. I thought the moonies were mad you lot are make them look quite sane."

No doubt posted by the same person who published the original comment...and did it by using the name "Anarchist".

Here, let me try it in the comments which follow.

anonymous

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Police.

12.11.2012 17:37

I think the police are all aliens and are in league with the clangers who live on the moon.

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WHAT!!!

12.11.2012 17:40

"I think the police are all aliens and are in league with the clangers who live on the moon."


OMG, you people at Indymedia are completely insane.

I strongly recommend that readers stop reading Indymedia because its populated by loonies. Only a loonie would write something like that and that MUST mean that Indymedia is for loonies only.

You are much better off going and reading the BBC's website instead. They are much more trustworthy.

Reality check.

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This is what I think.

12.11.2012 17:43

P.S I also believe that poofs are bad and that rape only happens to women who ask for it by dressing like slappers.

Reality check

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@Stereo @Reality check @second Reality check

12.11.2012 17:44

See,

The comments above were all written by me.

Its complete bullshit.

anonymous

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Me again.

12.11.2012 17:47

And its me again to complain about the comments which have been posted to IMC.

You see how easy it is to make everybody into a mug?

No effort at all.

Easy peasy.

anonymous

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End of.

12.11.2012 17:48

And here is me again posting again but this time for no reason at all!

anonymous

hmmm

12.11.2012 18:20

who actually cares about police commissioners? cops are idiots, same as some gangsters...in fact i would probably want to sit around and have a chat about the revolution with a gangster i think that would be more preferable than entertaining a copper......

ACAB.

cophater

Glamourisation of the underworld is an exercise in ingenuity

13.11.2012 10:58

Yeah, we all know very well as anarchists what our main theories about the origins of crime and the inadequacy of all state/capitalist/authoritarian approaches to the phenomenon are. However it strikes me as sheer stupidity the tendency of many comrades to take it for granted that a criminal will always be on our side just for being and living against the law, as if a given lifestyle would invest you with some sort of mithycal righteousness that needs no further discussion.

THIS IS JUST NAIVE SINCE MANY CRIMINALS SHARE WITH THE WORST COP, WITH THE WORST CAPITALIST AND WITH THE WORST AMONG THE POLITICIANS A MINDSET MAINLY BASED IN QUICK PROFIT AND EXPLOITATION OF THOSE WEAKER THAN THEM.

UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NOT LIVING THE TIMES OF ROBIN HOOD ANY MORE, and many criminal enterprises, organisations and individuals mimic in their mentality and behaviour the main institutions we are fighting against every day of our lives.

WE MIGHT AS WELL GIVING THIS ISSUE A CAREFUL AND LONG THINK AND BEING VERY SELECTIVE. TRYING TO KNOW EACH CASE WITHIN ITS SPECIFIC CONTEXT BEFORE JUMPING TO ANY CONCLUSSION.

Towards an ingenuity-free and intelligent ANARCHISM.

MOhawk

no offence to our brave boys in blue;) but

14.11.2012 01:29

The police put drug dealers out of business, but they don't put all drug dealers out of business,
only some, which pushes drug prices up, making the drug trade more profitable for the few that are left.

As the police crackdown, the supply drops, the price goes up, and the more profits available for those desperate enough to take the risks.

It doesn't matter wether the police are directly or even intentionally, involved in the drugs industry, they are involved, just by virtue of their role as state policy enforcers. But they're not helping ordinary drug dealers, they are helping the elite, the aristocracy of drug dealers, the desperate criminal types.

That's why if we want to get rid of the nasty horrible drug dealers, we must get rid of the policy force. If people want to take stuff thats bad for them, that's a health issue not a crime issue.

anarchist

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