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What next for anti-fascism after the 'return to Walthamstow'?

While Rome Burns | 31.10.2012 16:07 | Analysis | Anti-racism

This Saturday's attempt by the English Defence League to return to Walthamstow marked another chapter in the decline in fortunes of the organisation. Time was when they could get 3000 to a national demo. Now they only managed 60. After a previous national demo at Walthamstow where 300ish EDL were outnumbered by a couple of thousand opposition, leader 'Tommy Robinson' (Stephen Yaxley-Lennon to his mother) announced there would be a return to Walthamstow. A strange strategy... what made him think that re-running the whole thing two months later would change the result is mysterious.

Saturday also topped off a week of misfortune for the organisation - 53 of them all got nicked apparently on the way to do something to an East London mosque including glorious leader 'Tommy' who has been remanded till January. This meant that 'Tommy' and the leadership were unfortunately unable to attend the return to Walthamstow.

In the event, the Home Secretary proscribed all demonstrations in the Walthamstow area and the EDL were given the option of a static demo outside the Houses of Parliament for an hour. The UAF and community opposition held a victory rally in Walthamstow, while the EDL headed for Westminster.

So far so sorry for the EDL. However, despite their low numbers, the EDL in Westminster still managed to outnumber the opposition by some considerable number. It is a shame that more anti-fascists didn't turn out to Westminster.

It was not entirely inappropriate to hold the victory rally in Walthamstow - it was by no means certain that all the EDL would go to Westminster and there was talk on the internet of some of them heading to Walthamstow anyway (apparently a grand total of two made it to Walthamstow!). Also it served a function in cementing alliances that have been made in opposition to the EDL.

However, the EDL are very good at bravado, so they made a lot of noise for a meagre showing and it felt dispiriting being in Westminster to oppose them. If a small fraction of those that went to Walthamstow or the Anarchist Bookfair had stopped by Westminster for an hour we could have comprehensively drowned them out and made them feel a little smaller and more insignificant. As it was, they got to shout their shouts, wave their flags, make some short speeches and retire to the pub mostly unopposed, with the added irony of a large anti-racist deaths in police custody demonstration just round the corner at Downing Street complete with SWP paper sellers selling copies with headlines calling on people to oppose the EDL in London ("they're behind you!" I felt like shouting).

Perhaps it might have helped if an organisation had responded quickly to the change in location of the EDL demonstration and had announced a call-out for people to assemble at Westminster. However, of course, there was one organisation which did announce an official demonstration at Westminster – the EDL. You would have thought that that would be enough for anti-fascists. If the EDL have said they are going to be somewhere then we should try and be there too.

Some Objectivity Needed

It's hard to get a very objective picture of the state of play between the EDL and the anti-fascist opposition because much of the analysis and opinion on both sides is designed for the other side to read and is essentially propaganda. In this brave new world of the internet and social media, both the EDL and the opposition are well aware that everything they say is in public and that many of the readers and posters on their blogs and forums will be trolls from the other side. Hence if there are failings on the anti-fascist side, no one much wants to discuss that publicly for fear of giving ammunition to the EDL. I'm sure the same is true on the nationalist side. So then on both sides you get a culture of bigging yourself up and mocking and denigrating the opposition, no matter what you do or what they do. Regardless of whether the EDL get a good turn out or a poor one, no matter whether they achieve their aims or not, often the commentary will be much the same - mocking them for being failures and hypocrites etc.

Some of the problems with this were made evident by online responses to Saturday's demonstration. Some have been lambasting anarchists and anti-fascists for their failure to turn up to Westminster, to which has come the fairly reasonable response - “We're constantly being told that the EDL are failures and are an irrelevant laughing stock. In which case why is it so important to get out to oppose them?”

Maybe we need to try and have a more objective look at the successes and failures of recent anti-fascism.

A Little Bit of History

The emergence of the EDL three years ago came like a bolt out of the blue and was a real wake up call for the left and anti-fascists. Prior to this there had not been any mass street mobilising of the far right for 20 years or more. The BNP had moved from street mobilising to an electoral strategy and was being opposed by the UAF and other anti-fascists on this ground. Anti-fascism had split into this sort of electoral politics on the one hand and on the other, the slightly underground world of AFA-style anti-fascism, where you had small closed groups of anti-fascists lurking round pubs looking for small groups of fascists, often where both sides were personally known to one another.

Both these forms of anti-fascism were inadequate for dealing with the emergence of the EDL, who were both ideologically different from the old far-right and also practically mobilised in different ways. They were confrontational and on the streets in numbers. Ideologically opposing them as people had been doing with the BNP was not effective, neither was having small semi-underground groups of militant anti-fascists when faced with hundreds or thousands of the far-right marching through city centres.

The left in general were caught on the hop and were very slow in catching up. It seemed for quite a long time that people were crossing their fingers hoping the EDL would prove to be a flash in the pan and burn themselves out quickly so that we would be spared the effort of having to confront them.

The emergence of the EDL marked the coming of the New Right to Britain. Across Europe this new form of far-right politics had emerged that ditched many of the symbols and preoccupations of the traditional far-right. Out went anti-semitism, in came support for Israel and counter-Jihad politics. Out went talk of race and in came talk of 'culture' and 'values' and even 'anti-capitalism' and opposition to globalisation. Out went the boots and braces skinhead look and in came a variety of different images from respectable suited politicians to the black bloc-style 'autonomous nationalists' of Germany. You had politicians like Geert Wilders presenting themselves as defending liberal Dutch cultural values against Islam. This shifting ground of the far-right had the potential to short-circuit traditional left responses and arguments against the right.

Luckily the EDL weren't quite smart enough to pull it off and were hamstrung by their reliance on traditional racists to make up the numbers on their demos.

However, initially at least, this confusion over what exactly the EDL were added to the delayed response from the left. The right had innovated – politically in their language, technologically through the use of social media - and we were playing catch up.

You had the phenomenon of people shifting the goal posts and celebrating the fact that the EDL 'only' got 500 people for a march whereas two years before the idea of 500 overt racists marching through British city centres would have been inconceivable. You still have that phenomenon now - although we can all pat ourselves on the back about what low numbers the EDL managed on Saturday, that's still 60 loud overt racists going mostly unopposed the centre of London.

Although it is traditional amongst anarchists to slag off the more mainstream left anti-fascist organisations such as UAF, Hope Not Hate, Love Music Hate Racism and all their various incarnations, it has to be said that this time round the UAF have been instrumental in regularly opposing the EDL wherever they go and in getting some numbers on the streets, where often anarchists and other non-aligned or autonomous anti-fascists have managed only small groups.

For a while the EDL were making all the running. There was a turning of the tide however and it seems to have come about through a number of factors...

What Turned the Tide?

Over the last year or so the EDL have notably declined, with Saturday's 'national' demo probably marking the lowest point so far.

A combination of factors has led to this. Which seem to be, briefly: the EDL's own splintering and internal acrimony; a change in the initially uncertain media coverage of the EDL to a fairly unanimous representation of them as racist thugs (with the possible exception of the Daily Star's attempt to make itself the house paper of the EDL); 'robust' policing of EDL demos resulting in them being increasingly less fun to go on; and continuous and increasingly effective anti-fascist opposition.

To take these in turn...

For those who follow these things, there has been ongoing and increasing diet of tales of woe from within the EDL. Individual people and entire 'divisions' have been leaving in droves. Some of this was inherent in what allowed the EDL to expand so quickly seemingly out of nowhere in the first place. As an extremely loose organisation essentially focussed on a single issue and a single tactic, they could draw people in very quickly, who have then left again just as quickly when things started going in a direction they didn't like.

Equally the attempts of the leadership to square the circle of keeping their core constituency of thugs, racists and nazis on board while also trying to deny their existence and to present themselves as merely 'peacefully protesting against militant Islam' has resulted in mass defections to the more overtly racist Infidels.

And as usual in the far-right, individual egos and arguments over money have also played their part. As the EDL has slowly become a Tommy Robinson personality cult, people who didn't like this have marched off to found rival sects.

The change in media representation and public perception of the EDL has made a big difference to their fortunes. Initially people were not sure what to make of them and many people took their statements and public pronouncements at face value. There was a possibility at one time that they could have gathered much wider public support and sympathy.

Luckily, the EDL have been their own worst enemy in this respect and have unfailingly revealed themselves to be nasty bigoted racists. Again some of these problems were inherent from the outset – with an organisation that largely exists on internet forums controlling the 'message' was always going to be difficult.

The police have also gradually developed more strategies for dealing with the EDL and nowadays EDL marches and demonstrations are very restricted. This must also have played its part in their decline. A key attraction of the EDL demos of being able to gather together in large numbers, have a few drinks and go where you wanted, saying what you wanted has been largely curtailed. Travelling across the country to be frog-marched by hundreds of cops from a deserted car park 200 yards to another deserted car park, all the while inside a giant cordon or pen, before being hurriedly stuffed on to buses and packed off home must start to lessen the attraction of attending.

Some have claimed that the EDL are being used by the state. The traditional argument is that the state uses racism to divide and rule the working class, that racism serves the interests of the ruling class. While this may be generally true, in the specific case of the EDL I don't see it. They have had fairly significant amounts of trouble from the cops and I certainly get the impression that the state doesn't like them any much more than it likes anarchists or lefties.

From the anti-fascist point of view the key thing that changed was bringing back together the two sides of the split in anti-fascism. Having numbers out on the streets but also having those numbers committed to directly opposing the EDL - stopping them marching or haranguing them along the length of the route of their march. Previously any strategy of getting numbers out was tied to having a UAF 'celebration of diversity' rally or some such on the other side of town from where the EDL were. On the other side, any commitment to physically opposing the EDL was limited to small clandestine groups of militants. Bringing together the two sides of that equation, as has happened with more recent community mobilisations against the EDL (Bristol, Brighton, Tower Hamlets, Walthamstow), where you have had large, diverse crowds of people committed to filling the streets and stopping them marching has been a key factor in turning the tide of the EDL.

All these four factors have worked together and reinforced one another. For example, the policing of EDL demonstrations has become more restrictive for them partly because wherever they go they have been meeting counter demonstrations and protests. Also, the shift in public perception of the EDL has been aided by continuous anti-fascist opposition both physically and ideologically. All of these things have then put increasing pressure on the EDL, which has in turn been splintering and disintegrating as a result.

So the unfortunate truth is that although opposition has played an important part, anti-fascism cannot claim full credit for the decline in fortunes of the EDL and that this is probably as much a victory for their own crapness and for the state as for the massed ranks of anti-fascists.

It's Bigger Than The EDL

The EDL calls itself a 'grassroots social movement' which might stick in the throat for those who normally associate these words with liberal or left politics, but is nevertheless more or less true. Following this thought I have sometimes found it helpful to compare the experience of the EDL to experiences of grassroots protest and activism familiar to people involved in anarchist or left politics.

Thinking about how it was that the EDL seemingly sprang out of nowhere, rapidly spread and circulated, why it is that it now seems to be in decline and what the future might hold, it seems useful to compare the experience of the EDL with other rapidly emerging, fast-circulating protest phenomena.

For example, the Reclaim the Streets movement in the late '90s emerged very quickly, seeming to catch the zeitgeist, was copied very rapidly across the country and then across the world, expanded very rapidly and then went into decline.

Key to the growth and expansion of RTS street parties was the experience of being on the thing. This combined the opportunity for some fun, having a bit of a go at the cops, the chance for a bit of excitement, seeing all your mates, having a beer, being part of something a bit audacious, and seemingly being able to go where you wanted and do what you wanted and to get away with things you couldn't normally get away with.

This has many similarities with EDL demonstrations I think. When they have attracted large numbers I think it has been for many of the same basic reasons, although the politics are entirely different of course.

People want to be on the winning side and to be part of things that feel successful. In their heyday, RTS events were seeming to build success upon success. You didn't want to miss the next RTS event because you might be missing the best thing ever. RTS had somehow managed to create a virtuous circle and had created a buzz around their events – everyone was talking about them, asking when the next one was going to be...

Again, this has similarities with the EDL I think – at their height, the success of each large demo fuelled the success of the next.

The virtuous cycle of RTS events ended (in London anyway) with the Mayday event of 2000 which spawned the Maydays of 2001, 2002 etc. – each one promoted more and more as a riot, turning out less and less people and attracting more and more aggressive policing. Then a virtuous circle turned to a vicious circle as heavy policing lead to people staying away and it being less fun – the events started to be perceived as a probable arrest or a long kettling.

The idea of 'moments of excess' applies to the far-right as well as to the left. RTS brought a whole load of people into contact with politics, politicising a whole generation and gave them some really formative experiences that will stay with them for the rest of their lives. Unfortunately I think a similar thing may be true of the EDL - even if they disappear now, their malign legacy will continue.

So the positive thing we can take from this analogy...

People were aware that one key way to fight the EDL was to make the experience of coming on the demonstrations dispiriting, boring and not fun – making them feel like a failure. Getting the spiral to flip the other way so that the less people come the worse the demos are and then even less people come next time. Having seen things work in this way with anarchist and left mobilisations, it's applying the same thing in reverse. Through the combination of factors outlined above, this now seems to have happened.

And the slightly less happy truths we need to face also revealed by the analogy...

The EDL didn't come out of nowhere – they emerged out of a much wider culture of Islamophobic, anti-immigrant racism sweeping Europe that is still there and that has been reinforced by the existence of the EDL.

In fighting the EDL and physically getting out there on the streets to put forward an anti-racist message we are fighting that whole culture of racism that has grown up and in some ways it's a good thing that this media/ideological culture took physical form and manifested itself in the EDL to allow us to physically oppose it. It is easier in some ways than opposing that which surrounds us everyday.

Although harder to oppose, that whole culture is still there and needs opposing even if the EDL disappeared tomorrow. It is necessary to oppose this cultural background racism lest we wait until it spawns another proto-fascist monster like the EDL (and also because, as has been pointed out, it is actually more deadly than the EDL, for all their bluster – the EDL just talk about blowing up muslims, the British government actually does it).

Secondly, like RTS, through the EDL, thousands upon thousands of people have had this really formative, life-changing experience which they will not easily forget. Those people are all still out there - they haven't gone away just because EDL demos stop being fun and successful feeling for them. And the unfortunate fact is that as I'm sure we know from our own experiences, for every 100 people who come on a demo there are probably hundreds more who would support it but not come on the demo. So there's a lot of racists out there.

The EDL could turn its fortunes around - they could resurrect themselves. Pull off a success that turns their vicious circle of decline back around. Or there are all these splinter groups – one of them could take on the mantle of the EDL, perhaps a little smarter and less prone to self-destruction.

So to draw some brief conclusions from all of this...

We should beware of declaring victory too soon or of resting on our laurels (especially when they have not really all been won through our own efforts). We don't want to have to rely on the inherent rubbishness of the far-right or on the cops to stop the nazis for us. If a smarter far-right emerges or elements of the state decide they have an interest in promoting them we would be in a very different situation.

Right now we need to...

Respond quicker to where the EDL say they're going to be.

Make definitely sure that they can't bounce back and resurrect themselves – all they would need would be one perceived 'success' and it could turn things around for them.

Ensure that we are not subsisting only on propaganda – it's OK to mock the EDL but we also need to explain why they are a serious threat too.

Have unity with the UAF and other left anti-fascist organisations if possible, but equally we can't rely on left groups to do all the big overt public organising so that anarchists and autonomous anti-fascists can then tail-end and lurk around the fringes of their mobilisations. We need to get stuck into mass public mobilising too.

And even if the EDL now disappear or become insignificant...

We need to remember the lessons learnt from this struggle against the EDL. We need to try and keep the memory of what worked and why.

Ideally we need to be quicker to respond to new threats and to try and maintain what level of anti-fascist organisation that has been achieved, as to counter the threat of the EDL we had to start almost from square one, reinventing the wheel as there was a very limited existing anti-fascist movement.

We can expect future far-right phenomena to spring up fast and circulate quickly using social media – we will have to respond quickly.

We need to try and fight the whole culture of Islamophobia and racism that spawned the EDL.

Although there are sometimes things to mock, far from being a joke, this phenomenon of the EDL, which is hopefully now dying a death, has been one of the most frightening and worrying developments in this country for many years. Equally worth remembering is that some of the victories against them have been amongst the most inspiring and invigorating mass community mobilisations we have seen in this country for a long time.

“The most important thing with anti-fascism is to show up. There are a thousand excuses we could give to other people and ourselves, so I believe the hardest part of anti-fascism is getting out of bed.“ - K. Bullstreet

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useful analysis

31.10.2012 17:16

"We need to try and fight the whole culture of Islamophobia and racism that spawned the EDL."

Exactly. But, of course, that means more than just being ready to respond quickly to the next far right threat. It means doing the hard work of building a credible grassroots anti-capitalist movement in communities and workplaces. It means practical projects to support each other through times of "austerity". It means doing basic solidarity work to oppose the everyday racism of the state: No Borders activism, police monitoring, Traveller Solidarity etc etc...

Confronting the EDL is just the tip of the iceberg, as important as it is.

anonymous


Great analysis

31.10.2012 22:43

Very honest and accurate assessment of the EDL and our response to them, as well as the lessons that can be learned for the future of anti-fascism

IHTF


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another protest

01.11.2012 00:24


when i escape from this straight jacket

wayne


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dont know

01.11.2012 01:10

Why you bother you mid class & wanna be liberal wankas.

oldboy


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Stupid Trolls

01.11.2012 07:24

Dear oh dear the remnants of the far right movements come crawling out of the woodwork to make silly comments.
Look, the EDL is dying, the Casuals are led by someone who has proven to be a liar, coward and an idiot. The Infidels are too small to be any threat.
Making arsehole comments on Indymedia and using very badly photoshopped images (the digital version of a 5 year old with a box of crayons) isn't going to change that. You make yourself look like a spoiled teenager stamping their feet because they can't get their own way.
Wannabe Liberals? Not sure I understand.Many people in the anti-fascist movements either are liberals and so not wannabe's, or are proudly left wing or anarchist and therefore certainly do not want to be Liberals. I think your political analysis is a bit shit, but then you are a thick fascist.
Middle class? I've met middle class anti-fascists. I've met far more working class anti-fascists - myself included. I've also met a hell of a lot of middle class fascists. So your point is? Or is it merely a jibe on your point trying to undermine left/anarchist class analysis and struggle politics. Shit joke really, but then I expect little else.
Seriously, do us and yourself a favour and fuck off. I'm sure even someone as shit as you can find something far more beneficial to do with their time than engaging in third rate keyboard warrior internet trolling. Or am I being too optimistic?

IHTF


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Just to clarify

01.11.2012 09:43

My comment above was aimed at Fascists who had posted on the thread and whose posts have since been removed - not the op or any other (anti-fascist) posters!

IHTF


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victoria

01.11.2012 09:45

You never ever show up you wankas

november


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victoria

01.11.2012 10:02

You never show up ya to scared

victoria


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01.11.2012 10:34


another badly photoshopped image for you

mike


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i vote bnp

01.11.2012 10:35

You dont speack for me.

mixed race guy


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middle class

01.11.2012 14:01

You are total wankas.

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Protesting against Islamic extremism is not fascism!

01.11.2012 14:10

Protesting against Islamic extremism is not fascism and where were you lot when Islamic extremists were burning poppies and insulting our troops? If you didn't know the EDL contains many none white members and has always been open to people of all races. If you want to fight fascism then go and protest outside Blood and Honour gigs!

Real anti-racist


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@"Real anti-racist" and oldboy

01.11.2012 15:52

Tell someone who gives a fuck. Now hasn't Jim Henson got some role in his universe for you both?

'Wankas' indeed


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you are mid

01.11.2012 19:59

Class liberal tossers what a shower ha.ha.

working class


Arsehole

01.11.2012 22:44

if you're working class then what are you doing dividing the working classes along racial/religious lines and weakening us at a time when the rich tories are making us pay for the shit they're mates the bankers dropped us in, why are you not challenging the tories and the rich? why do you support those scrounging parasites the windsors you arse licking little turd?
I'll tell you why. because IF you are working class you are a class traitor. A subservient little lick spittle, a forelock tugging little turd too scared to stand up to the rich so you bully minority groups instead.
Funny thing is most anti-fascists I've met are working class. I've also met lots of middle class fascists. But you keep it up with the sweeping generalisations, that's all your mindset can cope with isn't it.
Now crawl away and lick your Walthamstow wounds somewhere a lot less public you sad little twat.

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meanwhile in the real world

01.11.2012 23:17

>> Now crawl away and lick your Walthamstow wounds somewhere a lot less public you sad little twat.

Fuck off knobhead. You are nothing. A worthless worm.
I read your comment and it just made me throw up with it's spouting of cry-baby bullshit.
"Oooohhh! Look at me - I'm working class everybody!"
Nobody fucking cares what you are or how working class you are.
No one gives a shit so go and bore someone else with your elitish "i'm so much more working class than thou"

henry


Mostly good points but --------

02.11.2012 00:22

Mostly fair enough but "any commitment to physically opposing the EDL was limited to small clandestine groups of militants"? Really? In Harrow hundreds of young people of every conceivable ethnicity emerged from an even larger counter-protest and physically ran at the EDL (technically it was an SIOE protest, but the Fascists chanting "EDL, EDL, EDL" pretty much cleared-up who they were politically). I'm 99% certain none of those young counter-protestors were from clandestine militant groups

Likewise the EDL is not a grassroots movement. The EDL was financed by upper middle-class multi-millionaire Alan Ayling (aka Alan Lake) and was organised by BNP members and supporters. Original EDL leader Paul Ray said (quote) "I am not anti-BNP". When Paul Ray was kicked out for not being right-wing enough, he confirmed his successor John Sheridan, real name BNP "Gold" activist Chris Renton, had become "de-facto commander". When Chris Renton's BNP form became too much of a PR problem, Chris Renton was succeeded by a new leader, who remained anonymous until he was exposed as being former BNP member Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. The EDL is classic right-wing entryism - combining the US Tea Party / "astro-turfing" model with NF organiser Martin Webster's old trick of trying to use bored football hooligans to do the far-right's dirty-work.

One final point, if you feel like shouting "they're behind you" then DO shout "they're behind you"! The 1st time the SWP barged-up against a line of cops who blocked their victory march in Walthamstow, there was deadlock, until a non-SWP person shouted out for people to go round the side of the police (there was plenty of space), at which point the police line was surrounded and overwhelmed in seconds. The next time the police blocked the route there wasn't space to go round the cops, but the point is that first time the SWP were so focussed on pushing-up against the police that it didn't even occur to them that they could walk sideways into an empty part of the street and just go round the cops. Moral of the story - the SWP ain't that bright, and if you're thinking of shouting out something important, shout it out, people ain't psychic.

Newswire


Belittling Fascists, Anarchist Bookfair, Fascism & the State

02.11.2012 00:54

Sure anti-fascists try to belittle the EDL by saying things like "the EDL are failures and are... (a) laughing stock" but I strongly doubt any anti-fascist would have said the EDL are "irrelevant"

People may have projected that conclusion if they were coming from a basic point-of-view of thinking the Anarchist Shopping-Event is more important than activism, but I don't think that's what was ever said

The irony is that, like the BNP before them, if the EDL seem less relevant now they've been reduced to such a pathetic state, that's because anti-fascists put so much work into making sure the Fascists were reduced to that sorry state

One reason the State havn't tried to make use of the EDL is simply because the police and (to use the appropriate cop-speeak) "football risk groups" have hated each other for decades anyway.

The State HAS already tried to aggravate racial divisions to divide the working-class however - Cameron's speech about the failure of multiculturalism (and if multiculturalism has "failed" are the Tories are going to expel all their Hindu and Jewish supporters from the UK?) - the only difference is the State did that without having to call on any help from far-right activist groups

If however we saw a general strike I wouldn't be surprised if right-wing anti-union groups like the Freedom Association didn't employ far-right thugs as strike-breakers (like they did during the Grunwick Dispute in 1978)

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Freedom_Association

Lance


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you are mid

02.11.2012 01:26

Class wankas you never show up at victoria in november mid class ubiversity wankas.

oldboy


"Cry baby bullshit"

02.11.2012 08:17

I saw none in my post, merely a factual account of what you are, a class traitor who sucks up to he rich, licks royal arse and dilutes our strength by dividing us. Doing the dirty work of the rich and the Tories.

"I'm more working class than you"? - never in my post did I claim to be more anything than anyone else, I merely stated that you are a class traitor.

Your inability to accurately assess my post reflects your assessment of pretty much everything else, wrong. The greatest threat we face is not a small limited group of Islamic extremists but a Tory Govt. hell bent on making us pay for the mistakes of the rich with our jobs, benefits and services. The sooner you get your thick head around that the better.


And Oldboy, some anti-fascists may be students but a lot are not. And at least they can spell university.

IHTF


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you are mid

02.11.2012 11:06

Class scum you wouldnt last five mins on an estate you would get bashed up or hang yaself. Your lab tory liberal elite scum put multiculturism on us and when we say fuck this and vote bnp you come out with ya usual nazi crap. You are all wankas every last one of ya.

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Middle-class - how dare you?

02.11.2012 17:00

Wouldn't last five minutes on an estate ? We own two.. .the family seat in Devon and 4,000 acres for deer north of the border.

Tally Ho!

poshboy


Oldboy

02.11.2012 17:59

You're talking out of your arse. If you mean council estate I grew up on one, never got bashed or hung myself. I've lived and worked on others and never been bashed or hung myself. Your problem, like the rest of the thick as fuck fash is that you can't see beyond convenient stereotypes. Something is either one thing or another. that's why your political analysis is so wrong, anybody with half a brain opposes you and the BNP will never get elected.
Basically, you are shit.

IHTF


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u r facists

02.11.2012 22:10

Why keep removing my replies?. truth hurts labour left us so we vote bnp. Now fuck off u midclass mugs go and play in your fantasy multiculturist hell.

oldboy


Some quick responses from the author

03.11.2012 19:07

I agree with you anonymous - exactly. When I said "We need to try and fight the whole culture of Islamophobia and racism that spawned the EDL", that's much easier to say than to do obviously, and I never meant to imply that it didn't involve a lot of hard work.

Thanks for comments IHTF, although I suspect the slightly bizarre ones are one side of an ongoing argument with EDL trolls who are getting deleted as quickly as they post...

And Newswire, some very good points. Thanks for pointing out that "any commitment to physically opposing the EDL was limited to small clandestine groups of militants." was an overstatement. I did not know about the SIOE protest in Harrow. I think the general line of my argument still stands however.

Good point about Alan Ayling and EDL funding. However, don't think that entirely invalidates my point about the EDL being a 'more or less' a grassroots movement in its dynamics and loose structure. Plenty of liberal left and anarchist actions have been funded by the odd wealthy individual too...

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While Rome Burns

03.11.2012 21:10

You suspect right - they are my replies to some mardy arsed fascist still in tears over the fuck up that was Walthamstow 2 "The Revenge"

Great article

IHTF


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bias

03.11.2012 22:12

Indy bias lefty mid class. Truth hurts now run along children.

oldboy


Yeah whatever

04.11.2012 15:04

Lets all get bored to death going on about something that no one cares about.
yes you'll right. everyone else is wrong, in your mind.

whatever, who cares? right in your head maybe but no one cares and disagree with you anyway.

Go back to the paddling pool and put on your arm wings dumb boy

learn to get out of nursery class little boys


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