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Religion and Violence.

Roy Ratcliffe | 19.09.2012 19:49 | Analysis | Palestine

All criticism of Islam is seen as problematic. Yet Islam is also viewed as a religion justifiying violence. However, all Abrahamic religions have a violent aspect, which along with patriarchal forms of oppression need serious and sustained criticism. This article considers the contradictions in the concept of a higher power, however, conceptualised or personified.

In a previous article I argued that not all of the motives, behind the recent and past attacks upon western embassies and other economic, social or cultural artefacts, have sprung from religious sensibility to criticism. I have suggested [in the blog 'Spring turns to Autumn'] that the hatred of the west in former colonised and imperially oppressed countries, has much to do with centuries of exploitation and oppression and the contemporary manifestations of this residual problem. However, there is undoubtedly a religious element which is used as focus and justification among some of the 20th and 21st century combatants. This religious justification reveals much about the intimate and fundamental connection between religion and violence.

It is well documented that religion and violence are not strangers, but are profound members of the same family of intolerance. The history of all religions catalogues frequent outbursts of violence. If we only consider the events documented from the European middle ages, we have vicious internal and external crusades by Christians and internal violence and counter violence by Muslim forces. We have the pre and post colonial periods in which European Catholics and Protestants having fought among themselves for at least thirty years, gun-boated themselves around the known world pillaging and confiscating in the name of ’saving’ lost souls for Jesus.

The USA, itself now the target for much Islamic anger, was itself formed by assertive and aggressive Christians, displacing and engaged in genocide against native peoples. African native people and religions were often forcibly captured, sold and suppressed by military forces accompanied by missionaries of considerable religious zeal. And even in modern times we had born again Christians in the guise of Tony Blair and George Bush Junior, leading another crusade against those they considered modern day ‘infidels’ in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Christian President Obama, regularly issues instructions (or sanctions them) to assassinate suspects, without any pretence of due process. A Mormon Christian, Mitt Romney, is running against him in the coming US presidential elections – would he be any different?.

So religion and killing in the name of God, (or blessed after the event by God’s representatives) still plays a considerable part in justifying, rationalising, promoting and perpetuating violence against the other. Let us not be hypocritical in the West – it does so not only in the East, but also here in Europe and North America. Considering the fact that most religions (including all those listed above) have some articles of faith which speak of love, peace, justice, equality etc., it is hard not to conclude that there are severe and irreconcilable contradictions in the concepts and beliefs of those who adhere to religion. These problems are further revealed in the contradictions in the concept of God – or however the higher power is conceived.

CONTRADICTIONS IN THE CONCEPT OF A 'HIGHER POWER'.

The concept of a higher power, however, conceptualised or personified, is a common historical recurrence amongst all peoples throughout the ages. Whether it is conceptualised as ‘spirits’ in Zoroastrianism, ‘Nirvana’ in Buddhism, ‘Dao’ in Taoism, ‘Brahman’ in Hinduism or personified in the form of ‘Yahweh‘, ‘God’ or ‘Allah‘ in the case of the Abrahamic religions, a higher, super-human power is a recurring idea. It is perhaps remarkable that all these ‘higher power’ forms are conceptualised as having not only the ultimate power of creation in general, but in particular are viewed as embodying all those characteristics that are beneficial and good – according to the finest human sensibilities.

This is incrementally true, for those religions who consider there is an emissary from, or someone ‘chosen’ who intercedes with this higher power. Thus Jesus, in Christian theology is the embodiment of all that is best in the human personality. Wisdom, justice, love, peace, the alleged qualities of Jesus, are all the best attributes of human beings but made consistent in Jesus, in contrast to their inconsistency in humanity. Essentially the same is true of Mohammad, for Muslims. He too embodies all that is just, humane, loving, respectful, supportive etc. This commonly held view among most religious people has led to the hypothesis, that it is human beings who have projected what is best in humanity onto the notion of a mystical entity who is imagined to be consistent in this regard, rather than this mystical entity creating inconsistent human beings.

On the surface, alternative explanations such as these appear as simple matters of opinion as to the origins of good, community spirit, love, justice, peace etc. The problem arises, however, from the following. In the name of this essentially benign, loving higher spirit or God, (by various names), many of the followers of religions (the Abrahamic ones in particular) feel they are justified in killing in the name of their God. Or alternatively in the name of his son or his prophet. This represents a massive contradiction in the notion of a benign and beneficial higher power. People imagine that ‘goodness’ is what their version of a ‘higher power’ wishes them to do and it is what they want themselves, but then many of them are prepared to do the most ‘bad’ things imaginable in promoting this religious view or in preventing criticism of it.

This phenomena is not only an individual psychosis, restricted to a few, but it is embedded in the collective scriptures of each Abrahamic religion. The pages of the Torah (Old Testament), the New Testament and the Qur’an contain numerous passages (scores of them in fact) advocating violence against non-believers, alternative believers and those who choose to think differently about what is required for humanity to get along peacefully. By not rejecting these violent scriptural verses in each religion and accepting the assertions they are promoted by the higher power, followers of these religions – even those of a peaceful disposition – provide those with violent temperaments a convenient scriptural justification for their violence.

This textual justification, along with self-interest, is perhaps why some – or even many – religious believers stay quiet about, or look the other way, when atrocities are carried out by the members of their own denominations. Is it not the case that many professed Christians do not protest against, or look the other way, in face of the West’s initiated wars of invasion and killing in the middle east and elsewhere? Is it also not the case that many peaceful Muslims stay quiet or look the other way at the killing and atrocities carried out by their own religious brethren?

Further. Is it not the case that many Zionist Jews are justifying their brutal treatment of Palestinians since 1948 by reference to the biblical promised land? Predictably, is it not also true that the Christian Zionists of the USA are the most vigorous advocates and supporters of this Israeli oppression? It would seem from these facts and those above that religion continues to be part of the problem for humanity, not part of the solution. For this reason among others, religions of all denominations need to be seriously criticised openly and frequently.

Roy Ratcliffe
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Delegating responsibility to a higher power is the problem

19.09.2012 21:02

Delegating responsibility for your actions to a higher power or a belief is the problem. Even more so when that higher power appears never to manifest itself in any corporeal form but is purely an "experience".

I consider that to be a form of mental illness. As any psychologist will tell you, belief in a concrete principle is either provided by nature or nuture. In nature, it can be your brain chemistry that causes you to form a belief (schizophrenia, depression for example). In nurture, it can be memes and ideals which are delivered to you absolutely from others (religion for example). Indoctrination and propaganda are the primary delivery method of these beliefs. I purposely avoid the discussion of fact vs opinion here as they are truly the same.

For reference: I am an ex-Christian (by indoctrination) who turned atheist in about 1985 after a small realisation that worshipping something which has never been observed conclusively until I was utterly dead beyond all hopes of return was a stupid idea and I'd rather be sipping cider in the pub and using a condom.

KermitTheFrog


Pseudo Intellectual Crap

19.09.2012 22:33


Warmongers and psychopaths in general rarely believe in, nor fear any devine retribution. A criminal will often disguise himself as a priest, doctor, policeman or some other familiar figure in society to carry out his crimes and gain the trust of his victims.

If a member of the smith family is a peodophile, does that make all members of the smith family guilty of the same crime? Some of the most terrible crimes committed against humanity have been committed by self-confessed athiests, such as the communist leaders Stalin and Chairman Mau. They presided over the murder of hundreds of millions. Was Hitler a "man of God"? I don't think so.

The idea that 'religion' is to blame for all mankinds problems is a red herring. People kill people, not religion or ideology. International bankers are probably guilty of killing far more people than any other social group, just because they do it quietly by driving people to suicide or by driving nations into starvation to aquire valuable natural resources seems to have eluded you.

A few mercenaries running around shouting 'Allahu Ackbar' is the least of our worries. It is a diversion and an excuse for some to indulge themselves in self-rightousness while turning a blind eye to the silen murder of millions by the central banks, multi-national corporations, pharmaceutical companies and military industrial corporations makes me puke.

How many innocent muslims have been murdered by the invading armies of America, Britain and other NATO countries in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya? For religion, or to satisfy their greed and lust for blood.

How many people are being killed by prescribed and 'illegal' drugs every year? How many will be killed by nuclear accidents like the Fukushima disaster, or by GMO foods in the next few years? All in the name of greed and raising that profit margin.

You need to do some rethinking.

Klamber


re: Pseudo Intellectual Crap

19.09.2012 22:53

I get what you are saying, but you have to admit that religion makes it a lot easier to manipulate people - lack of critical thinking, very strong peer pressure to conform, etc.

Like you say though, it is a bitter irony that most of the people using religion for their own evil ends probably don't really believe in it themselves anyway. Look at the unholy alliance between the neo-cons and the religious right in the USA for an example.

anon


@anon

19.09.2012 23:14

Yes, religion is often the mechanism used to suspend critical thinking and lure people into supporting crimes committed by an individual or state, but athiest ideology can also be used in this manner, I again ask you to look into the experience of the hapless victims of Soviet Russia and Communist China.

We need to focus on simple principles like humanity to draw people of different beliefs together. Only through unity on a fundamental level can the people of the world shake off the yoke of oppressive government and corrupt economic systems that suck the life out of ordinary people.

Those who harbour feelings of superiority over their brothers and sisters, tend to spend their time and resources pointing out the differences between us and them and unwittingly doing the work of the rich and powerful who look to 'divide and rule'.

Without a sense of humanity, mankind becomes cruel and thoughtless. Zombies easily manipulated by the rich and powerful. No more than pawns in other men's games.

PEACE

Klamber


Perdition.

20.09.2012 01:50

"It would seem from these facts and those above that religion continues to be part of the problem for humanity, not part of the solution. For this reason among others, religions of all denominations need to be seriously criticised openly and frequently."


Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists are the problem.

Always have been.

Its in the nature of the Capitalists, Atheists and the Zionists to attack and then blame the victim for their injuries. Its shouldn't come as a surprise that the Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists have spent a lifetime blaming those of faith for the violence in the world. They attack, cause pain, and then proclaim from on high, pointing to their handiwork as evidence of a sickness in the world.

I don't like Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists. They are empty people. And they are maddened by the fact the whole of the world isn't as empty as they are. Thats why they do what they do. They want the whole world to be just as empty as they are.

Misery loves company.

Thats the truth of it.

I admire your argument and your sense that there is a 'solution'. But you have missed the point. You have missed the point because you have an aversion to the 'solution' as we all do, and this is why you have got lost in the maze of your own argument.

Its nothing to be ashamed of. In fact its a sign of strength.





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I think you are confused

20.09.2012 08:18

Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists are the problem. Always have been.

>>>> Humankind pre-dates all three of these so that's obviously wrong.

Its in the nature of the Capitalists, Atheists and the Zionists to attack and then blame the victim for their injuries.

>>>> What do you mean by their "nature". It would seem that some in the above groups do what you suggest but many, if not the majority do not.

Its shouldn't come as a surprise that the Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists have spent a lifetime blaming those of faith for the violence in the world.

>>>> The last time I looked Capitalists were focused on earning money, Atheists don't much care about people of faith by the very definition of their beliefs and Zionists spend their time defending a Jewish national state so are unlikely to blame people of faith for things when they themselves are followers of a major world religion.

I don't like Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists.

>>>> I don't like tomatoes but that's not relevant to world politics and faith either.

They are empty people. And they are maddened by the fact the whole of the world isn't as empty as they are.

>>>> I doubt very much if Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists think very much about how "empty' the world is. They are focused on the accumulation of capital, the stupidity of believing what is told to them in a book written thousands of years ago and the continuation of a Middle East country.

Misery loves company. Thats (sic) the truth of it.

>>>> It's "truth" as you see it, not wider truth as the world sees it.

I admire your argument and your sense that there is a 'solution'. But you have missed the point. You have missed the point because you have an aversion to the 'solution' as we all do, and this is why you have got lost in the maze of your own argument.

>>>> Ignoring for one minute your incredible patronising attitude to the writer you have no idea if there is an "aversion to the solution". Take some time to read again what was written with a more open mind.


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I think you are confused

20.09.2012 12:28


Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists are the problem. Always have been.

>>>> Humankind pre-dates all three of these so that's obviously wrong.

Its in the nature of the Capitalists, Atheists and the Zionists to attack and then blame the victim for their injuries.

>>>> What do you mean by their "nature". It would seem that some in the above groups do what you suggest but many, if not the majority do not.

Its shouldn't come as a surprise that the Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists have spent a lifetime blaming those of faith for the violence in the world.

>>>> The last time I looked Capitalists were focused on earning money, Atheists don't much care about people of faith by the very definition of their beliefs and Zionists spend their time defending a Jewish national state so are unlikely to blame people of faith for things when they themselves are followers of a major world religion.

I don't like Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists.

>>>> I don't like tomatoes but that's not relevant to world politics and faith either.

They are empty people. And they are maddened by the fact the whole of the world isn't as empty as they are.

>>>> I doubt very much if Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists think very much about how "empty' the world is. They are focused on the accumulation of capital, the stupidity of believing what is told to them in a book written thousands of years ago and the continuation of a Middle East country.

Misery loves company. Thats (sic) the truth of it.

>>>> It's "truth" as you see it, not wider truth as the world sees it.

I admire your argument and your sense that there is a 'solution'. But you have missed the point. You have missed the point because you have an aversion to the 'solution' as we all do, and this is why you have got lost in the maze of your own argument.

>>>> Ignoring for one minute your incredible patronising attitude to the writer you have no idea if there is an "aversion to the solution". Take some time to read again what was written with a more open mind.

Randoo


Confusion is for the confused.

20.09.2012 13:18

">>>> Humankind pre-dates all three of these so that's obviously wrong."

Erm, I didn't say anything about pre-history. I'm talking about now. This is the problem now.

>>>> What do you mean by their "nature". It would seem that some in the above groups do what you suggest but many, if not the majority do not.

Its in the nature of a Capitalist to exploit, that is Capitalism. Its in the nature of an atheist to subvert, that is Atheism. Its in the nature of a Zionist to displace, that is Zionism. Ideas of majorities and minorities within these areas is what gives rise to a defence. That is what you are doing. I don't care about that.

>>>> The last time I looked Capitalists were focused on earning money, Atheists don't much care about people of faith by the very definition of their beliefs and Zionists spend their time defending a Jewish national state so are unlikely to blame people of faith for things when they themselves are followers of a major world religion.

You have to choose not to see the injustices of life. It doesn't happen by accident.

>>>> I don't like tomatoes but that's not relevant to world politics and faith either.

You mention tomatoes. Why is that?

>>>> I doubt very much if Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists think very much about how "empty' the world is. They are focused on the accumulation of capital, the stupidity of believing what is told to them in a book written thousands of years ago and the continuation of a Middle East country.

I didn't say the world IS empty. I said the world will become empty because they will seek it. That is who they are.

>>>> It's "truth" as you see it, not wider truth as the world sees it.

The world does not see. Individuals see.

>>>> Ignoring for one minute your incredible patronising attitude to the writer you have no idea if there is an "aversion to the solution". Take some time to read again what was written with a more open mind.

I read it five times before commenting. He has stated clearly and very obviously that he sees a problem, and demarks it as being in need of a solution. But he has no solution, just the diffuse persona of a complaint. This article would be much more coherent and valuable if it had a clear and exact answer to the question posed, instead of just squirting smoke into the room in the forlorn hope that something might form in the mist.

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and your confusion continues

20.09.2012 13:30



">>>> Humankind pre-dates all three of these so that's obviously wrong."

Erm, I didn't say anything about pre-history. I'm talking about now. This is the problem now.

++++ You stated that these three had always been the causes of the problems mentioned. As these three predate the problems under discussion that is clearly a mistake of yours.

>>>> What do you mean by their "nature". It would seem that some in the above groups do what you suggest but many, if not the majority do not.

Its in the nature of a Capitalist to exploit, that is Capitalism. Its in the nature of an atheist to subvert, that is Atheism. Its in the nature of a Zionist to displace, that is Zionism. Ideas of majorities and minorities within these areas is what gives rise to a defence. That is what you are doing. I don't care about that.

++++ The nature of Capitalism is to acquire Capital (clue's in the name). The nature of Zionism is to establish and defend a Jewish state. If you cared more you would understand more.

>>>> The last time I looked Capitalists were focused on earning money, Atheists don't much care about people of faith by the very definition of their beliefs and Zionists spend their time defending a Jewish national state so are unlikely to blame people of faith for things when they themselves are followers of a major world religion.

You have to choose not to see the injustices of life. It doesn't happen by accident.

++++ How do you know what I choose to focus my life on ? I was responding to and correcting your mistakes. I see injustice but perhaps I see injustices that are different to the ones you choose to see.

>>>> I don't like tomatoes but that's not relevant to world politics and faith either.

You mention tomatoes. Why is that?

++++ To illustrate a point - did you miss it ?

>>>> I doubt very much if Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists think very much about how "empty' the world is. They are focused on the accumulation of capital, the stupidity of believing what is told to them in a book written thousands of years ago and the continuation of a Middle East country.

I didn't say the world IS empty. I said the world will become empty because they will seek it. That is who they are.

++++ And I said that despite what you may think I doubt that Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists view the world as "empty" they are more concerned about the accumulation of Capital, the State of Israel etc

>>>> It's "truth" as you see it, not wider truth as the world sees it.

The world does not see. Individuals see.

++++ Go read a book on language structure and you will understand what was being said, I do not have the time to educate you.

>>>> Ignoring for one minute your incredible patronising attitude to the writer you have no idea if there is an "aversion to the solution". Take some time to read again what was written with a more open mind.

I read it five times before commenting. He has stated clearly and very obviously that he sees a problem, and demarks it as being in need of a solution. But he has no solution, just the diffuse persona of a complaint. This article would be much more coherent and valuable if it had a clear and exact answer to the question posed, instead of just squirting smoke into the room in the forlorn hope that something might form in the mist.

++++ You read it five times and still did not understand what was being said, does that not worry you ?

Randoo


Feed me!

20.09.2012 14:14

++++ You stated that these three had always been the causes of the problems mentioned. As these three predate the problems under discussion that is clearly a mistake of yours.

What was a Capitalist before he became a Capitalist? What was an Atheist before he became an Atheist? What was a Zionist before he became a Zionist? I don't know the answer to that question and neither do you. None of us do. But we know what they are now. We know that they are here now. See in the present...the story of the past, because there is nothing in the present, that does not also describe the past.

++++ The nature of Capitalism is to acquire Capital (clue's in the name). The nature of Zionism is to establish and defend a Jewish state. If you cared more you would understand more.

I don't care. Capitalism aquires. Zionism displaces. Both are in service to one another. Both represent the same thing and by so doing, both are in service to their own mutual defences.

++++ How do you know what I choose to focus my life on ? I was responding to and correcting your mistakes. I see injustice but perhaps I see injustices that are different to the ones you choose to see.

I shall leave others to determine the legitimacy of the things you say and the words you use.

++++ And I said that despite what you may think I doubt that Capitalists, Atheists and Zionists view the world as "empty" they are more concerned about the accumulation of Capital, the State of Israel etc

Capitalists and Zionists are empty people. What they leave behind is empty. Its tempting to want to see more than is present within them but all is nought. Don't engage with that which has no substance, or you will find yourself carrying that which does not exist.

++++ Go read a book on language structure and you will understand what was being said, I do not have the time to educate you.

No you don't have the time to educate me. You are right about that.

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At last a point of agreement

20.09.2012 14:20

"No you don't have the time to educate me. You are right about that. "

On that we can agree - good luck in your search for education.

Randoo


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Randoo - save your breath

20.09.2012 15:29

'anonymous' suffers from believing he is both right and clever, regretfully he is neither but self delusion can rarely be overcome by reasoned argument.

Knot Eyed Jaguar


re: atheism

20.09.2012 16:22

Klamber: "Yes, religion is often the mechanism used to suspend critical thinking and lure people into supporting crimes committed by an individual or state, but atheist ideology can also be used in this manner, I again ask you to look into the experience of the hapless victims of Soviet Russia and Communist China."

I think that actually illustrates my point. Authoritarian regimes don't need to lure people into supporting them since they operate by the threat of force rather than cooperation. It didn't matter that most people were opposed to them.

Religion operates by actually getting people to believe you are benefiting them when actually you are screwing them over.

What "lured" people in to supporting the Soviet revolution was the promise of a fairer society, which is a quite reasonable thing to desire. The fact that is was taken over by power-crazed statists doesn't detract from the original idea. Religion controls people throughout their entire life - that is quite different from a one-off promise that then gets broken and people realise they have been duped.

Anyway, atheism is just reality, it's not really an ideology. Religious people don't believe in any of the thousands of gods of other religions. Atheists just go a tiny step further and remove the remaining one or ones.

anon


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