Roof occupation at Brighton squat over new law + 3 arrests
bristol squatter | 03.09.2012 17:32 | Free Spaces | Policing | Repression | South Coast
The first known arrests over new squatting law happened about an hour ago by squatters occupying a comercial property, who were using the upstairs residential area as an un-lived in social centre.
The police turned up this morning at around 11am to raid the property on London Road in Brighton, despite no crime being committed - as the new law restricts people living in unoccupied buildings, but not visiting them. Regardless, Sussex police have now arrested three people who attached themselves with glue, spending three hours to enter through barricades to remove them.
One of the visitors now on the roof of the squat said "On the roof init! Clowns got in but its gonna take them ages!" at 2pm, hours before three people were arrested inside the residential part of the building, despite not squatting the residential property.
The two roof top occupiers say they are up there to stay, as cops miserably fail to negotiate a deal with them. Support is currently gathering, but if you are free to pop down and say hello it'd be appreciated!
One of the visitors now on the roof of the squat said "On the roof init! Clowns got in but its gonna take them ages!" at 2pm, hours before three people were arrested inside the residential part of the building, despite not squatting the residential property.
The two roof top occupiers say they are up there to stay, as cops miserably fail to negotiate a deal with them. Support is currently gathering, but if you are free to pop down and say hello it'd be appreciated!
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dumb
03.09.2012 20:39
Actually, that is incorrect. It is an offense to gain unauthorised entry to a building.
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dumber
03.09.2012 21:00
No, it isn't. At least not in English law.
Section 144 of the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012 creates the offence of 'squatting in a residential building' nothing else has changed. It only applies if...
(a)the person is in a residential building as a trespasser having entered it as a trespasser,
(b)the person knows or ought to know that he or she is a trespasser, and
(c)the person is living in the building or intends to live there for any period.
Note the AND means all three must be met before an offence is committed. Trespass (i.e. "unauthorised entry to a building") is a civil matter.
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dummy
03.09.2012 21:36
BTW. Trespass is still an offence - a civil offence.
However, you have completely neglected to mention that in England and Wales certain forms of trespassing, those that involve squatters, hunt saboteurs, raves etc are covered by criminal law. Check out the offences under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 Sections 61 and 62 of trespassing on land
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/section/61
Also, there is a clear breach of the peace here too, so thats also a criminal offence.
we'll see when the are arrested and get sent to court. If they are guilty - they have committed a criminal offence.
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solidarity
03.09.2012 22:51
kr@ker
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03.09.2012 23:14
fair play to the arrestees, total solidarity from northampton!
apparently the rooftop occupiers got away...
be interested to see if this actually ends up in court...
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04.09.2012 00:13
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Clarity
04.09.2012 02:16
1) The building that was squatted was not residential but is a shop.
2) They arrested people who were not resident there
Is that right?
AT
Law
04.09.2012 07:49
Crapola
dumberer
04.09.2012 08:45
This is probably the online equivalent of pissing in the wind, but I'll give it a go anyway.
Um no, just highlighting the part of the law that contradicts what you said.
No one said tresspass wasn't a civil offence. What you had originally taken issue with was that "the new law restricts people living in unoccupied buildings, but not visiting them" - a true statement.
As for s61 & 62 of the CJA. I see you have Google, but not the ability to read. They don't apply to:
"buildings other than—
(i)agricultural buildings within the meaning of, in England and Wales, paragraphs 3 to 8 of Schedule 5 to the M3Local Government Finance Act 1988 or, in Scotland, section 7(2) of the M4Valuation and Rating (Scotland) Act 1956, or
(ii)scheduled monuments within the meaning of the M5Ancient Monuments and Archaeological Areas Act 1979;"
So kinda irrelevant to most urban squatting. Incidentally I guess (ii) is to stop people claiming stonehenge is a building.
I would disagree that breach of the peace was commited, however it's irrelevent as it is NOT an offence.
"we'll see when the are arrested and get sent to court. If they are guilty - they have committed a criminal offence." - I guess that's the most sensible thing you've said so far, but the original point of the post was that the law is unjust NOT that people won't commit offences under it. Though I doubt this particular one will ever make it to court.
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In response to 'AT'
1) It was mixed use, flat and basement evicted, shop not.
2) The 'residents' including those arrested in the loft maintain that they were no longer "living" in the residential parts of the building - cops didn't buy this, which was allways going to be a problem with this law and mixed use buildings.
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Here's SchNEWS's acount of the day btw - http://www.schnews.org.uk/stories/A-Fight-on-the-Tiles-/
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I agree
04.09.2012 22:49
No - you piss off. I was here first, not you.
> It's not clear to me from the article but seems like the cops made a big mistake when > applying their brains to this new law.
> 1) The building that was squatted was not residential but is a shop.
> 2) They arrested people who were not resident there
> Is that right?
No, 1) that is incorrect. 2) Is for the justice courts to decide.
> This is probably the online equivalent of pissing in the wind, but I'll give it a go anyway.
Thank you.
> Um no, just highlighting the part of the law that contradicts what you said.
Yes. Your contribution seems viable.
> No one said tresspass wasn't a civil offence.
Correct. No one said this. Relevance?
> What you had originally taken issue with was that "the new law restricts people living in unoccupied buildings, but not visiting them" - a true statement.
Not really. Its a true statement, but i didn't take issue with it. I wrote more of particular case outlined in the article and unauthorised entry (trepass and burglary) rather than "the new law"
> As for s61 & 62 of the CJA. I see you have Google, but not the ability to read. They don't apply to:
Actually, I use Yahoo. Also, that is where you are COMPLETELY wrong. It should be obvious that I can read, otherwise I wouldn't be able to write these follow ups. This is really obvious and I'm really struggling to understand how you were unable to work this out for yourself. Very surprised it needs pointing out. If you can even grasp the concept that to be able to write replies and follow ups requires the ability to read then it clearly shows a fundamental flaw in your ability to do basic logical reasoning. I would say it is almost impossible that someone can write but is unable to read. The two thing tend to go hand in hand. Although i believe some people can read but are not very good at writing. But, I've never heard of a situation where it is the other way around.
> "buildings other than—
You are, of course, correct. But a fool looks whereas a wise man sees. You failed to see I was trolling with the intention of diverting people's time and energies that could have been applied to other tasks. This is a weakness in you ability to see the truth rather than just looking like an animal does.
>> I would disagree that breach of the peace was commited, however it's irrelevent as it is NOT an offence.
I stand corrected. Although it can turn into an offence if they persist and continue to breach the peace after being detained.
">> we'll see when the are arrested and get sent to court. If they are guilty - they have committed a criminal offence." - I guess that's the most sensible thing you've said so far,
Yes, ultimately it is for a court to decide. Not you, not I, not the police. We should keep our big noses out of it, because it isn't our job.
>> but the original point of the post was that the law is unjust NOT that people won't commit offences under it. Though I doubt this particular one will ever make it to court.
Yes, we should keep our noses out of it because it isn't our job. If you really want to get involved, then you should apply for a job in the decision making process... Probably a judge.
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