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EDL Surrender!

'Malatesta' | 03.09.2012 08:50 | Anti-racism | South Coast | World

EDL were totally humiliated at Walthamstow on Saturday. Read all abaht it!

Crivvens! Jings! And Help Ma Boab! To paraphrase some famous phrase about soccer teams, it looks like it’s all over for the English Defence League. Yesterday they were utterly humiliated in Walthamstow not only by the local community but by plod as well who kettled them in for hours on end with no toilets, no tea and buns and definitely no sympathy. There was a massive turnout by local people who outnumbered the EDL about 10 to 1. The EDL looked bereft of their usual bravado, were scared and realised just how much people dislike them – not in a Milwall ‘no one likes us but we don’t care’ kind of way but in a ‘everybody thinks you’re a bunch of fuck bugles and you represent no one’ kind of way. They looked very weak indeed.

We Go Where We Want …

The EDL always claim that they ‘go where they want, when they want’ which is more cobblers than a shoe-menders convention. They extensively liaise with plod who tell them exactly where they will be going, what time and when they will be leaving. The EDL published the days’ arrangements which actually included at least 9 instructions from plod telling them EXACTLY where to go and when which makes their claim as empty as the 1,000s of Stella cans they left on the pavement of E17. No Surrender? Course Not! They were also told not to be seen carrying alcohol or to sing racist songs by the non-racist, non-violent EDL leadership who have lost a lot of credibility after this with many members leaving and even Hel ‘Growler’ Gower declaring the day a disaster!

To start the day off plod was very keen on keeping the EDL under heavy manners, then the workers at Kings Cross stated that they would refuse to help transport the EDL across London to promote racist violence, plod then marched the EDL down to Euston instead but only after fights broke out between them and there were 4 arrests at the Dolphin Hotel. Not only that but plod also changed the route of the march because there were so many anti-fascists in Walthamstow. Even plod reckoned 3,000 anti-fascists but there were many more arriving all day. The EDL finally got to E17 and then were marched up Forest Road away from the town centre and the majority of anti-fascists. By midday hundreds of anti-fascists had blocked the proposed route and many were the cries of ‘No Pasaran!’ And they most certainly did not pass! The EDL standard criticism of anyone that opposes them is that they are either ‘commies,’ ‘middle class’ or ‘smelly’ (jeezus!) which has yet again been proved totally wrong and shown that they both underestimate and misunderstand the massive opposition they face. This is an example of their extreme political naivety.

Meanwhile, the EDL were completely surrounded by the cops for their own protection – again proving that the ‘we go where we want’ is a load of bollocks. The only reason why the EDL got to Walthamstow is because of plod. The EDL also looked very worried at the amount of opposition (local, not bussed in like the EDL) and were somewhat lacking their usual aggression. The EDL foot and mouth soldiers were kettled in and were all dying for a wee so in their frustration some of them battered one of the stewards. The EDL stewards usually completely fail to steward anything but luckily this time there were plenty of photographers around to take snaps of some fat bastard on the floor crying next to a Femi-Plod.

After they had managed to reach the bus shelter where they were gathering, Mr Tommy finally made an appearance: he had not bothered getting up to the last few ‘national’ demos and was too shitfaced at Bristol to speak but it was hardly worth the bother as he muttered a few words, was warned by plod about being ‘incendiary’ and then shuffled off protected by his porky security fats (who also assaulted a photographer) and cancelled the rally due to ‘mob rule.’ Which must surely count as a massive surrender? Mr Tommy was also photographed with his arms outstretched in footy hooligan ‘cahm on then!’ pose (surrounded by security and plod naturally) and was then shown with a brick in his hands which had been thrown at him. He then gave it to a cop whining that people don’t like him. This pic is going to be great PR for the deputy leader of the fluffy fascist British Freedom party and will no doubt backfire when anti-fascists widely circulate the image come election time. The arrests started piling up as the EDL got frustrated at their inability to do anything and by now the amount of opposition and hostility were enormous. The EDL seriously misplayed this and thought it would be a doddle. How wrong. Again. Finally after being kettled from 1pm to 10pm according to 1 EDL eejit, they were all photographed and escorted to busses and led away rather meekly having thoroughly surrendered. The day was a huge success for anti-fascism and well done Walthamstow for showing the EDL they are not wanted.

Plod Bother

Some street plod may sympathise with the EDL but the top brass do not. They have to fork out a large percentage of their annual budget to police a rabble of drunken racists; they have to draft in plod from other forces at great expense because they cannot cope with the amount of people and possibilities of violence; they get masses of negative vibes from the EDL who they are protecting as well as from the anti-fascists; and they are rewarded with little but criticism and negative publicity for the events of the day that include arrests, violence and disruption to whatever city the EDL have decided to intrude on and annoy that weekend.

Some militant anti-fascists managed to get through police lines and have a pop at the EDL and there were quite a few bottles flying over but skirmishing was kept to a minimum: the amount of local opposition and the broad character of it, along with miles of negative publicity, pretty much meant the EDL lost the day on an incredible scale. The tactic of blocking the route was was again used successfully and forced plod to redirect them. The tactic of large scale and mainly peaceful opposition has now been used successfully in Brighton, Bristol and Walthamstow. Since this has been happening the EDL numbers have also dwindled exponentially and the last few ‘national demos’ have been piss poor with a couple of hundred attending each time. Members have left en masse complaining about backstabbing, egos, infighting, drunkenness and disagreeing on strategy – i.e., we should be able to drink on demos versus no we shouldn’t cos we look like twats. The EDL have achieved nothing and there is no end game. It is far too expensive for many to keep attending, many have been arrested and are banned from going, it is pretty boring for lots of them and frustrating to be kettled in by plod with no toilets. unKle Kev Karrol is going to stand for police commissioner in Bedfordshire and has actually raised the 5 grand needed to register. However, the EDL’s media representation has been wholly negative (they assaulted yet another NUJ member yesterday. Wrong!) and they are simply seen as the drunken, violent, racist hooligans that they are. And unKle Kev is their leader.

Oh dear! Be seeing you!

ps: any EDL members care to comment on what thei have achieved, how they are going to continue and what their endgame is, please comment below! Mal

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As much as I'm glad EDL got a kicking...

03.09.2012 09:56

I have to ask why nobody present decided to send Anjem Choudary's gang of goons packing?

Glad there was a huge turn out from the locals and unity between everyone but really, why were Choudary's extremist gang of misfits allowed to stand with Antifa, UAF and the locals? They are just as bad as the EDL, if not more of a threat since the police seem content to ignore their crusade of intimidation, threats and violence towards other Muslims in the Tower Hamlets area of London.

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All for opposing the EDL, hell I've turned out on numerus occasions to oppose the SDL in Scotland but standing side-by-side with another bunch of extremist, violent scum? That isn't the way to progress and is just going to alienate people from joining anti-EDL demonstrations in the future.

Real Antifascist


Dundee saw of the SDL also

03.09.2012 10:47

on saturday...which was nice.....i agree with the above post also....

no room for either groups of wingnuts........

farseekill


Why

03.09.2012 11:10

on earth would a "real anti-fascist" put a link up to the enemy's website (casuals) generating more hits for these scum? If it's the picture I'm thinking of ( a handful of choudray's loons with placards amidst the massive throng of opposition to the edl) these pictures are available on more neutral sites to link to.ie  http://www.demotix.com/news/771864/muslims-against-crusades-and-edl-clash-walthamstow#slide-1 and we know this is casuals united's favourite trolling site right now.

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I for one have not surrendered!

03.09.2012 11:42

I for one have not surrendered! I am a serving British soldier and a member of the EDL. If you think we will surrender to muslim extremists then you have got another thing coming! I am also very angry at you lot for calling me a racist! How can I be a racist when I have black friends? You fools label all EDL members racists and fascists when you can't even be bothered to read what we stand for! The EDL is in no way at all racist or fascist! You people just label everyone racist and fascists who dares to speak out against Islamic terrorism and Islamic extremism which actually is a very real threat in Britain today as proved by the 7/7 bombings in London five years ago.

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Simple really

03.09.2012 13:26

From the photo it seems less than half a dozen Islamists turned-up, and, with estimates of the total number of counter-protestors varying between 1,200 and 4,000 people, maybe that'll explain why hardly anyone noticed 4 little banners held by a bunch of twats who at the very most constituted less than half of one percent of the protestors

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if Choudry was there why was he allowed to keep there?

03.09.2012 13:47

If Choudry was there in the demo against the EDL why wasn't he kicked out - even if the commenter who said he and his supporters represented 1 per cent of those attending

Choudry is openly homophobic and I throught anti-facist groups were meant to be pro-gay? The UFA have worked with Choudry in the past and yet when Outrage mentioned this were called racist sympathisers by some sections of the anti-facists groups

The EDL might be racist, but they're right about one thing Islam is anti-gay and yet this issue is never raised and the anti-facist movement never seems to pull Islam up for being homophobic. I'm in no doudt some people will not want to answer this but you only need to have seen the pictures of gay people who've been killed in Islamic countries simply for being gay to know Islam needs to be attacked for being homophobic, like all religions do.

bob


Responding to Malatesta

03.09.2012 14:01

Yes the EDL were humiliated but they have not surrendered, and much as I empathize with attempts to rub their faces in it, it's not all over. The main EDL group were anything but bereft of bravado because while Tommy R and Kev C's tiny group was overwhelmed, the larger (tho' still small) EDL mob was and stayed extremely aggressive well after it was clear their outing had been a disaster. The main EDL mob was seriously up-for-it, and, even outnumbered, if the cops hadn't been there they would have lost a straight fight but at great cost to both sides. As it happens there was some, tho' not much, missile throwing, which started after the EDL threw bottles and fireworks at Antifa, in reply some anti-fascists seemed determined to give the EDL free weapons, which could have been thrown back and seriously injured one of our number - perhaps "think before you chuck" should be the new motto of militant anti-fascism? What really pissed-off Jeff Marsh is the fact this demo never made it into the mainstream media. Conclusion - they'll be back, they'll be back soon, and we need to keep our guard up.

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Choudry wasn't there

03.09.2012 14:02

Try to keep up

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Spot the troll

03.09.2012 14:06

"Choudry" (Anjem Choudray) has not ever worked with UAF, and I'd guess any genuine Indymedia user would know the difference between UAF and United Farmers of Alberta

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Choudary deffo wasn't there

03.09.2012 14:08

Anjem Choudary and his mob were DEFINITELY at neither the rally or the march/protest. I was, and I'd have recognised him. The protest was in a totally difgferent spirit

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hey boxcar!

03.09.2012 14:10

choudry is nothing, an extremist crank who threatens no one and is an eejit not worth bothering with. the EDL would have been torn to bits if plod hadnt been there. it is all mouth. they shit themselves again like in bristol and brighton, the so called hard men giving it the big one behind plod have been found wanting yet again. got to agree with this tho boxcar

'What really pissed-off Jeff Marsh is the fact this demo never made it into the mainstream media.'

they also havent realised that journos are the conduit to the media and if you attack them they will say bad things about you. they have no strategy and no endgame. they are fielding less and less reach demo and the fallout after each one is increaisngly bitter and divisive. i never let my guard down but the EDL are now a joke. 200 for a national demo? i shit em!

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Choudry, UAF and Peter Tatchell

03.09.2012 14:28

If you look on Peter Tatchells website theres an open letter he and Outrage sent to the UAF asking them to not work with anti-gay muslims, which the UAF never answered. Before you critcise and try to disprove someone check your facts.

The UAF have worked with Muslim groups who are openly anti-gay - for gods sake the Muslim Council of Great Britiain refused to let the gay and lesbian Muslim group take part in last year British Muslims festival saying gays and lesbian weren't part of Islamic culture. The anti-facist movement is rightly critcised in the gay rights movements for supporting a religion, which Islam is, and not critising it ant-gay stance. Which is a shame because the gay rights movement is a movment the anti-facist movement supports.



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03.09.2012 14:31

Anjem C is an extremist crank but (leading from the rear as always) if he winds-up just ONE of his Islamist goons enough to do another suicide bombing it'll be the biggest gift the far-right had since 7/7, and if Anjem didn't exist, the EDL would never have formed - he generates hundreds of pages of tabloid media bollocks directly and indirectly encouraging hostility to immigrants. Like it or not Anjem is a huge asset to the far-right and he's a big problem for anti-racists and anti-fascists

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someone raises a problem area call them a troll

03.09.2012 14:41

the problem with some anti-facists is that if someone raises a valid issue which means they might have to critcise a group they support they call them a facist or a troll in an attempt to stop them raising the issue

this a silly thing to do has the problem is still there and needs resolving - i'm only saying what alot of gay people i know say, some of whom are black and asian. one of them fled iran because he feared he'd be found out for being gay and didn't want to be killed.

you can call me a troll has much as you want but islam is anti-gay and the facist movement blanks this issue out - if it didn't and resolved it simply by saying islam has a religion has some good points and bad points, then the facist movement would be stronger for it

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Lonely Jeffrey!

03.09.2012 14:41

most antifash on here aint UAF and couldnt give 1 about what they do or who they do it with! and also why does jeffrey marshbubbles keep posting on here? is it cos no one want to read his blog that cuts and pastes the daily mail or his crap e-book? whats wrong jeffrey? no one like you anymore?

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meant to say anti-facist

03.09.2012 14:45

where is says facist at the end two times that should read anti-facist, sorry

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@Bob - the actual evidence

03.09.2012 14:47

Proof Anjem Choudary hates the UAF
Proof Anjem Choudary hates the UAF

UAF are naive and will work with anyone in the hope they can convert them to the ideology of revolutionary socialism, but before you tell other people to check their facts, the actual claims were that Anjem Choudary was at the demo and that UAF have worked with Anjem - both claims are absolute lies.

Yes UAF have worked with some dodgy Muslims but when EDL's Jeff Marsh posts on the Casuals blog making homophobic comments about anti-fascists it's a bit of a moot point. Ditto Jeff Marsh posts on his own blog pointing-out that Anjem Choudary hates the SWP, Socialists, Communists and the UAF

 http://casualsunited.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/anjems-not-as-dull-as-he-looks-he-know-the-uaf-are-using-muslims-as-a-street-army-of-useful-idiots-edl/

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Oh God

03.09.2012 14:53

Ajem Choudary and his band of rabble rousers are attention seeking self publicists who shout in order to get the attention of the red top rags. They are not even worth protesting against.

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chuffer choudry!

03.09.2012 15:01

Ajem Choudary and his band of rabble rousers are attention seeking self publicists who shout in order to get the attention of the red top rags. They are not even worth protesting against.

agreed. they are so obviously monitored by the state. not one for conspiracy theory but the state is close at hand here.

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malatesta

03.09.2012 15:03

Ide love to meet u face to face. Dont forget ya gumshield

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Yo maletesta

03.09.2012 16:30

I think it was the 'jeffrey marshbubbles' that upset him ;)))

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Choudary's a liar

03.09.2012 16:54

Choudary is not just a clown - he's a lying one. This demo was NOT a swappie frontjob, but the result of a broad-based coalition of both individuals and organisations, both religious (including the C of E) and political, of which the SWP were just one group.It was organised under the We Are Waltham Forest banner.
Indeed, that was one of the things that made it such a success.

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@Bob's logic - Peter Tatchell is an anti-Fascist

03.09.2012 18:17



Posting across a couple of comments, Bob uses an observation about Peter Tatchell to show how there's a "problem with some anti-facists" (sic) - yes there IS a problem, but I'm glad you used the word "some" Bob, because anti-Fascists are not some homogenous entity who all share the same views, and there isn't a problem with MOST anti-Fascists.

Peter Tatchell is himself an anti-Fascist. Peter Tatchell supported the anti-EDL demo in Tower Hamlets. Peter Tatchell took a banner condemning Islamic extremists, was surrounded by hundreds of Muslims and Asians, and, if you believe the EDL world-view, the Muslim extremists of Whitechapel would have torn Tatchell limb-from-limb, but in fact no-one harmed a hair Tatchell's on his head, because most of the Muslims in Whitechapel are not extremists (in fact one of the people murdered in the 7/7 bombing was a young woman called Shahara Islam who worshipped at the Mosque in Brick Lane). You, I presume, are also an anti-Fascist, unless you actually support Fascism (?), for the straightforward reason that everyone who opposes Fascism is by definition an anti-Fascist.

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FAO: jeffrey marshbubbles

03.09.2012 18:50

shall we have a scrap at playtime then jeffrey? you are a grown man, i dont know if you are married or have kids but isnt it time to stop reliving your hooligan days and do some growing up. youre tough guy stance had currency in school but in the grown up world you are looking a little foolish. act your age you silly boy!

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marsh gas!

03.09.2012 18:56

still waiting for an answer jeffrey! have you got no one to play with anymore?

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Stockton Wrecking Crew

03.09.2012 19:35

EDL in Walthamstow - Stockton Wrecking Crew
EDL in Walthamstow - Stockton Wrecking Crew

Read the original story in these comments -  https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/09/499464.html?c=on#comments

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I hate Choudry

03.09.2012 20:42


And all this report is just a tit-for-tat.

Sometimes the EDL get surrounded. Sometimes the anti-fasc get surrounded.

Big deal. Lets all masturbate really hard over how great we are and give each over a facial

Justice


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@Peter Tatchel - The EDL has a LGBT division

04.09.2012 10:27

Peter Tatachel claims the EDL are extremists yet they have got an LGBT divison and they support gay rights. In contrast the hard left persauded organisers of the gay pride march through Whitechapel to abdon their plans for fear of offending local muslims. It seems the far left only believe in gay rights in none muslim areas.

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@Ex leftist

04.09.2012 11:41

Nazi's always lie. "EDL Bristol demo decends into gay bashing and racism"  http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/788-bristol-demo-decends-into-gay-bashing-and-racism

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dont forget

04.09.2012 23:54

See u in november.

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dont forget

05.09.2012 00:13

Looking forward to it.

november


No Pasaran In E17

28.09.2014 07:18

Two years on, but remembered in song:
 http://youtu.be/TdfJ1KebGJI?list=UU0EYWR-jUNqW_8td1gmz-1Q

Steve


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