Anti-Fascist OAPs Attacked by Far Right
Vauxhall Zafira | 30.04.2012 20:27 | Anti-racism | Repression | Workers' Movements
Far right attack pensioner in Lewisham
Far-right hand-signals at the March For England
Far-right hand-signals at the March For England (bottom left)
Despite the lack of ANY hard evidence (evidence like photos of the alleged victims' or their alleged injuries for instance), the EDL, NF and BNP etc have been touting round a story that, after they took women and children to the far-right March For England demo in Brighton, and after the EDL threw missiles at the counter-protestors, counter-protestors who fought back were (according to the EDL version of events) "attacking women and children". The EDL havn't shown any proof of their claims, but, always keen to believe their own bullshit, the brave warriors of British nationalism took revenge by beating-up 2 left-wing pensioners in Lewisham! Even worse, and to put this in even clearer perspective, in 2010 BNP Essex activist and March For England founder Bill Baker posted on Facebook saying the "sooner we start KILLING Muslims the better & THEIR SOCIALIST PALS", and in 2011 Anders Breivik murdered 8 adults and 69 children.
Whatever you might think of the SWP, practical suggestions for people setting-up political stalls etc are -
1/ Always set-up your stall in clear sight of CCTV (if you don't want to be seen by CCTV at all, it's probably best not to do street stalls in the first place)
2/ Always have one or more friends on hand with VISIBLE mobile phone cameras, camcorders, Flip-cams or similar, preferably recording all the time, at the very least ready to film at a moment's notice - very few Fascists will find the courage to attack if they know their face is going to be filmed
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/crime/9678991.Pensioner_head_butted_in_extreme_right_wing_thug_attack/r/?ref=rss
Photos -
1. Far right attack pensioner in Lewisham
2. Far-right hand-signals at the March For England
3. Far-right hand-signals at the March For England (bottom left)
4. Bill Baker speaks to Anders Breivik
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Comments
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What the Nazis did to Lewisham during WW2
30.04.2012 20:38
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/features/4778109.WAR__New_Cross_remembers_V2_bombing/
Foxes
Advice
30.04.2012 23:03
Antifascist
@foxes
30.04.2012 23:30
Slightly different to what this article is about.
sarcasjm
@sarcasjm
01.05.2012 09:30
MK
Not entirely true
01.05.2012 14:07
I agree, don't rely on the police for help with this, they don't care if it's violence from the right against the left, if the tables were turned like they were in Welling a couple of years ago where the state went all out to fit up the anti-fascists then that's a different matter but that's because the pigs love the fash. The best thing to do from now on is like some commenter said, defend. If the fash want to go back to street politics we've got two options, withdraw from the streets and let them have it unopposed, or fight back by being bigger numbers, more ruthless and more violent. For all the rhetoric about smashing the EDL etc. the SWP don't do a very good job of following through, it's maybe time they thought long and hard about their politics and how to put it into action.
NO PASARAN!
Northern A
Forgot to add
01.05.2012 14:08
Northern A
Red Action
01.05.2012 22:57
AFA
There's one possible advantage to CCTV
02.05.2012 02:22
Of course, it's easy for me to talk about private prosecution since I am a paralegal and know how to go about it, and have developed patience at dealing with the plodding pace of the legal system. I am also aware that the fash are not l;ikely to be at all abashed at being prosecuted, privately or otherwise. See the reaction of the BNP in Liverpool to their then-member Peter Tierney being prosecuted for hitting a journalist over the head with a camera tripod. (His face was stuck all over their website as a "super supporter")
However, it depends how you want to tackle fascism. Showing them up to be thugs (through publicity associated with prosecuting them) will disgust enough people to limit their chances of winning elections or getting any widespread support. It will damage their chances of gaining political power.
It won't stop them spreading their nasty ideology to people ignorant, desperate, or stupid enough to follow them, or stop them from perpetrating or discouraging racial attacks. For that, the tried-and-proved method of putting the boot into them is needed.
But dare I suggest that both methods are needed, in tandem, and both are of equal merit. Moral force and physical force, both.
pinkolady
Bit o'shopping
02.05.2012 11:47
Antifascist
CCTV + video cameras
02.05.2012 12:09
Al
Pitiful
02.05.2012 14:49
Another antifascist
Stroll on
02.05.2012 20:49
http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/peter-tierney-guilty-of-actual-bodily-harm/ -
"High-profile BNP member Peter Tierney has been found guilty of assault and causing actual bodily harm to an anti-fascist protester on St George’s Day last year. During the incident, which was captured on CCTV, Tierney swung a camera tripod at the back of the activist’s head. The victim subsequently needed his head wound gluing up at hospital. The jury took just an hour to find Tierney guilty, rejecting the notion that he acted in self-defence and was “in danger for my life”. A spokesperson for Liverpool Antifascists said: “This is absolutely a positive result"."
http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/bnp-activist-andrew-tierney-found-guilty-of-assaulting-anti-fascist/ -
"Just over a year after Liverpool BNP’s number one Viking look-a-like Peter Tierney assaulted an anti-fascist with a camera tripod, was convicted for ABH and forced to don a fetching orange jacket for 150hrs community service – his unhinged brother Andrew has been electronically tagged for three months following a similar attack on anti-fascists in Liverpool City Centre last December. Tierney’s conviction follows the acquittal of a number of anti-fascists last month – who the BNP tried and failed to fit-up after they protested the presence of fascist stall on Church Street. Clearly too thick to remember the results last time they tried to ‘get the reds’ in full view of City Centre CCTV, wannabe hard man Andrew’s response to the protest was to wallop the first anti-fascist he could reach – and when his chosen target failed to fall over or retaliate after the first or second punch, thought he’d land a third – just for good measure, but to no avail. Entertainingly the last frame of the CCTV footage shows slow off the mark Andrew finally clocking the camera and realising he’s in the shit"
Xam
PHOTOS OF THE 2 ATTACKERS
02.05.2012 21:03
EDL Lewisham Attackers
Penguins
More photos of the attackers
02.05.2012 22:11
Original photos -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrbishie/6956418216/sizes/l/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrbishie/7102463289/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Washington
Xam
02.05.2012 23:50
Another antifascist
Suspect
03.05.2012 08:08
oop north
A slippery slope
03.05.2012 10:02
Red & Black
Reply to AA
03.05.2012 10:06
X
X
03.05.2012 11:57
AA
Ditto
03.05.2012 13:58
Muppetwatch
To AA and others
03.05.2012 14:39
Ben
Your talking shit Xam
03.05.2012 15:30
@ntifash
LEARN TO READ
03.05.2012 16:52
But it seems those with the undisputed authority to set-out what constitutes "our collective identity" as Anti-Fascists weren't observant enough to READ the bit on Liverpool Anti-Fascists OWN website where they quote a report in which they themselves described convictions of Fascist attackers based on CCTV evidence as "absolutely a positive result"
But, then again, I guess Liverpool Anti-Fascists can't really be actual Anti-Fascists because the people posting above here havn't given them permission to be Anti-Fascists.... right?! So Liverpool Anti-Fascists must be coppers narks as well? Heaven forbid the EDL might be posting on here trying to convince left-wing stall-holders NOT to film Fascist attacks?!
Dog star
@muppetwatch
03.05.2012 17:03
For any old folk who want to set-up political stalls, who aren't lucky enough to have hard nuts like you on hand to guarantee victory in any confrontation, other options might be worth considering as well
Unstick the record
CCTV
03.05.2012 17:32
Antifa Angel
Beanz?!
03.05.2012 17:52
muppetwatch
Lost argument
03.05.2012 18:21
JJ
e-mail: X
Homepage: X
Correction
03.05.2012 18:48
muppetwatch
Swastika in Brighton
03.05.2012 20:31
Another good example of not reading properly is what's been claimed about CCTV on Lewisham High St. The original article talks about using hand-held cameras and about setting-up stalls in (quote) "clear sight" of CCTV, so, no matter how many cameras there are on Lewisham High St, Angel's opinion is a fair point, but not proven, because we've got no idea whether any of those cameras captured any usable mug-shots. "Angel"? Hmmm? Isn't that preferred terminology of the EDL?
Either way however, no deterrent is wrong because it doesn't work ALL the time, any more than eg - AFA's deterrence could be said to have been "wrong" because it objectively failed to destroy the NF and BNP outright. These ideas are SUGGESTIONS to ADD to a LIST of possible options, no approach will ever work all the time in all circumstances, and few of these options exclude any other options
"A Jewish pensioner fled her home after racist vandals sprayed a swastika on her car. The 64-year-old was so distressed when she discovered the graffiti outside her flat in Whitehawk, Brighton, that she ended up in hospital."
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9687322.Pensioner_driven_out_by_racist_thugs/?ref=la#commentsList
Changes
Speaking of muppets....
03.05.2012 20:33
Holmes
'Changes'
03.05.2012 20:51
JJ
e-mail: X
Homepage: X
Attn 'Happy Snapper'
03.05.2012 21:34
Jack Black
So let me get this right...
04.05.2012 07:56
Anarchist
Comment on original post
04.05.2012 10:59
As for the CCTV/cameras debate, they don't seem to have afforded the victims of Anders Brevik much protection. Nor do they seem to have limited the behaviour of the EDL in any way, not just at Lewisham, but on all the other occassions when they've behaved violently and broken the law.
anon
Hiding behind cameras
05.05.2012 10:32
K.Bullstreet