Harlan Interfauna demo - 13/4/12

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NAVA

28.03.2012 16:12

may get more people to their demos if they remove the pro-racist/fascist element of fuckwits that seemingly dominates their ranks at present. Think on.

Just Sayin

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nava not Sooo ar

28.03.2012 17:36

Nava would actually get people on side and coming to demos but nava has made its self clear fascist racists very welcome where as the main animal rights WILL NOT work with nava due to this. Just saying is totally right Sooo nava get rid of the fascists and racists

shactivist

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Love NAVA!

28.03.2012 19:03

Can't wait for this, last demo here was fantastic! Everyone was so welcoming. The demos here are clearly effective with how the scumbag workers react.

Wow... why would anyone slag off probably the most successful anti vivisection campaign in recent years. NAVA have had so many victories! Grow up to you 2 in the above comments, NAVA are'nt racist, there are people from all walks of life and diversity on the Harlan demos in my experience of going to them.

And it's about the animals not satisfying your pathetic bitching games. How will you slagging off NAVA save animals? F*ck off, your pleasing the people your supposed to be against with this kind of disgusting slander, THE VIVISECTORS!

Love Beagles

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shactivist

28.03.2012 19:52

firstly, rather than leaving silly comments you should try helping animals by organising demos rather than bitching! but thats to be expected from a SHACtivist these days eh? NAVA have had more success than most lately. secondly NAVA is against facist and all discrimination again im guessing you are just going by hear say not fact.

jon proctor is a cock

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oh deary me

28.03.2012 21:44

were now getting into name battles
if your going to name one lets name you shall we ANOOP
you claim that we bitch at you while supping tea in pogo's cafe we do no such thing
we simply state that you are not welcome at ANY of our event's

now as for slagging off nava the upper comment was mine not jon's tho i know of jon
and as for love beegal's nava has done nothing but split the movement
iv been ar for ten years plus now and i tell you this movement was better WITHOUT nava

now got to go to pogo's cafe and do some bitching bye bye
L

London shactivist

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Lorna is a fat slag!

28.03.2012 21:55

Lorna, your cearly as fucking stupid as Jon then, you cant even spell Beagle! PMSL!
You give it all on the net but shit your giant sized skid marked pants in person! Go wallow in hippy, flea ridden Pogo Cafe with all the other losers with nothing to do but bitch. Social rejects of society is all you lot are. Sort it out you fat cunt.

Regards,

Lorna has crabs!

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Lorna has crabs!

28.03.2012 21:59

Id also like to add, I would still demonstrate against animal abuse with you for the sake of the animals. Id just stand away from you.
Now fuck off you ugly fail.

Lorna is a fat slag!

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ANOOP the famous police grass / racist and dam right ugly fucker

28.03.2012 22:10

oh dear me i see that i got brought into this fight even tho i had no intentions of getting into it anoop with you but seen how as you wana start this ill finish it
YOUR A GRASS / RACIST / UGLY FUCKER / no one will *bar the SMALL* Nava group will work with cause of your views if your a real ar
THEN BUGGER OFF

now that's my last comment

Now dont get personal against dear lorna she is a MUCH better ar activist than you miss VILE

Jon

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1234

28.03.2012 22:14

Jon, just so you know Anoop hasent commented once on here yet.
If thats what you think of NAVA then fine I really dont give a shit, infact im glad, your embaressing. But at least 100% of the AR movement is happy to work with me unlike they are with you, because your so ridiculous.

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AT LEAST LEAVE YOUR NAME - COWARD

28.03.2012 22:15

FIRSTLY, I AM NOT A COWARD LIKE YOU AND WILL COMMENT AT ALL TIMES USING MY NAME. CARRY ON TRASHING NAVA, IT JUST JUSTIFIES WHAT MORONS YOU HALLMARK FOLLOWERS ARE. NAVA IS DOING VERY WELL WITHOUT YOU NUTTERS. AND YES, YOU DO SIT AT POGO'S BITCHING ALL DAY, OR PRACTICALLY KIDNAPPING NEW PROTESTORS AT DEMOS TO BITCH ABOUT ME AND NAVA...YOU ARE ALL VERY SAD. YOU EVEN HAVE TO MAKE FAKE PROFILES TO TROLL ON WALLS, I CAN SAY, I HAVE NEVER USED A FAKE NAME....

WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I WANT YOU PEOPLE NEAR ME? I WOULD DEMO AT THE SAME PLACES AS YOU BUT WOULD NOT BE YOUR FRIEND, I AM THERE FOR THE ANIMALS UNLIKE YOU DISTURBED PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE NO MISSION IN LIFE EXCEPT TO TRY AND GAIN HIERARCHY IN THE RANKS. HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME FOR DESTROYING THE MOVEMENT. I WOULD NOT EVEN DREAM OF GOING TO THAT SHITHOLE POGO'S CAFE, SO YOU ARE WELCOME TO IT.

YOU ARE TO COWARDICE TO EVEN WRITE YOUR REAL NAME....LORNA CUNTINGS......YOU FUCKING FOOL AND LAUGHING STOCK OF AR...DREAM ON FATSO.

ANOOP GHALE

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Nava fail

28.03.2012 22:19

Oh come on slagging people like jon and lorna and others off

the only real embarrassment is nava in this fight as you see that "lorna has crabs" and "lorna is a fat bitch" and other comments like "jon proctor is a cock" is hardly productive

Can the admin please remove ALL these comments

123456

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Anoop i see your graceful comments as normal

28.03.2012 22:21

i see she has gotten even more polite by calling dear lorna a fat bitch yet no condemnation from nava or should i say george house who runs now a days nava

get your house in order before going to war

Jon

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123456

28.03.2012 22:23

But, its funny as fuck. Real activists cant be botherd with you saddos anymore so why not just have fun?? I certainly am.

12345678

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THANKS FOR THE LAUGH BEFORE I GO TO BED....LMAO

28.03.2012 22:26

OH DEAR JON

DO YOU HONESTLY THINK I GIVE A RATS ARSE ABOUT WHAT YOU, YOU LITTLE THICK STUBBY ILLITERATE NON ENTITY HAS TO SAY ABOUT ME? I SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, YOU ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK AND MORE PEOPLE WANT TO DEMO WITH ME THAN SHAC...FACT!!!!!

YOU ARE SO THICK AND EMBARRASSING, YOUR COMMENTS JUST FALL ON DEAF EARS, EXCEPT FOR THE STUIPIDS LIKE LORNA AND HER EQUALLY MAD AND BITTER AND TWISTED FRIENDS....AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I WOULD GRASS ANYONE UP, AR OR NOT IF THEY HARRASS ME...DO YOU HONESTLY THINK I OWE YOU LOONIES ANY LOYALTY. FUCKING START ABUSING ME, EXPECT THE POLICE TO COME AND FINISH IT....NOW FUCKOFF. BUT THANKS FOR YOUR SILLY COMMENT, AGAIN, YOU HAVE AMUSED ME...I CERTAINLY DO NOT NEED COMEDY HOUR WHEN I HAVE YOU FOR ENTERTAINMENT YOU LITTLE GONK

ANOOP GHALE

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moron Jon

28.03.2012 22:29

George house isn't running NAVA at all do sort your facts out. Jon nobody will demo with you because your a fool! Even the people you run around sucking up to dislike you. Go and join gingers for justice or something because you seem to bitch about everything instead of helping animals

moron Jon

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Did i start this NO

28.03.2012 22:30

Did i start this war NO
you did i got a text about this thread and me getting named as A COCK now thats abusive soo you lose the arguement there

two
i aint abused you you have abused me PUBLICALLY and ALL will see it
and also lorna who is a good activst

AND THREATENING POLICE any activst who see's this will say one thin
GRASS

now i dont want to get into a public war with you soo im bowing out but i will state this

get personal against friends again fucking do it you look allready like an IDIOT you have lost all the row now bugger off

me out
jon

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hehehehehe

28.03.2012 22:33

you really dont know your facts do ya is that why nava can only achieve 100 when shac can get 3 times that
nava has caused soo much In house fighting that anoop was banned from all ar demo's associated with the hallmarks and i personally think YOU should be too george for pure incompetence and idiocracy

@jon moron aka george house

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Facebook racism

28.03.2012 22:34

do you not think this is all ruining the AR movement ? ok i see all points here clearly but why would nava keep one woman involved if that one is woman apparently stopping so many people from attending ? i tell you why because they are not going to let a stupid angry comment bother them thats why and is Anoop running it No does anoop deal with it daily no so the hallmark people are stupid for not seeing that are they not? because wouldnt that be then agaisnt the layout off rules to discriminate ? as i myself have made numourous if not worse comments than anoop in a temper but im still AR because i fight for the animals ? do i need to say im with shac, nava, alf no i dont as that was one off the main things we remember when beginning any ara , we should know this anyways aNd that should be everyones main concern, its not who u are, what u do, but the actual fucking animals that care and as they dont speak dont have facebook and cant shout from the rooftops who, what, the name off the person, people, group that helped them what the fuck does it matter ???
Im not on any humans side here im for the animals side full stop please lets stop the divide and remember names are just that but the animals are not a facebook topic for a row they need this energy put into the people harming them !!

Give me actual proof that anyone is a racist etc ie arrests, facts, actual harm to another then yes ill take sides but right now do us all a favour and the animals and put this fighting energy into the actual cause !!! Fuck fakebook get on the streets and do it old skool !!!

lisa marie DONTGIVEAFLYINGFUCKINGTOSS barlow

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eh

28.03.2012 22:40

sorry i stand on the human side here you can never work with racists
i dont do ar demo's nor am i going to start im an anti racist anti Fascist but i can say

threatening to grass anyone is bang out of order and ill say this once a grass always a grass
A FRIEND of mine got done cause of a police grass now he is in custody soo OUT THE FUCKING GRASS !!

anti racist liverpool activists

Anti racist

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idiot

28.03.2012 22:41

I hadnt commented until now! Jon you have just done what you said we were in the wrong for! naming people on a public domain!
As for the 100 on a demo, thats because SHAC has been going for over 10 years and NAVA only 2. NAVA gets 20-30 people on each Harlan demo and I dont see that with SHAC. NAVA has fewer but many many more dedicated activists than SHAC. Although im not attacking SHAC its just a shame it is semi run by idiots. Also as Love Beagles said, How is slating NAVA on a public website helping animals? Please can someone tell me... simple request, thanks.

-- George

George

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we are true activists

28.03.2012 22:42

whoever this Jon is, you really have wonderfuL Anoop wrong. she has been blamed for making comments on here when she did not then came along and used her real name. Authors should make themselves known . I am in agreement that you people are cowards. Anoop has been an activist for 23 years, and lorna cunnings tries to justify her being an activist for 10. lorna cunnings aka taryn one of her fake names is a silly little girl who is mentally unwell.

leave NAVA alone..the activists in Nava are brilliant and jealousy gets you nowhere.

anoop is our hero

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Alas i agree

28.03.2012 22:46

ok i agree that names shouldn't be done

But nava standing toe to toe with a racist dose NOT help the movement
the first comment from "just saying" states that thought then "shactivist" echoed that thought
now the fact that lorna was named personally i think was dam right outrages and over stepped the mark soo was saying she had crabs now i got involved when i became aware that i was named as a "cock" now thats dam right outrages too

all this fighting has been done BY NAVA activists no one wants to work with nava because of the racism and the in house fighting and anyone who picks on anoop is a bully yet she is carte blanche to do to others what she hates being done to her

its hypocrisy and dam right ludicrously

jon

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the above is an outrage

28.03.2012 22:51

If it was simply a pissing contest who could piss up the wall better and further then this would of been solved a long time ago

now unless we need a history lesson of nava and im sure there would be great source of arguements on that point Lets leave it

the real ar ring fence there movement
nava ring fence theres

neither side crosses each others pass and it should came down

i know which side im on and thats the real ar shac

@anoop is our hearo

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Hmmm

28.03.2012 22:53

Jon, please state to me where and when NAVA said they condone racism? Also, id appreciate if you would disclose how slagging off NAVA will save animals? Thanks.

G

George

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Oh so ignore my actual facts and carry on ?? go figure

28.03.2012 22:58

Lets put it this way i do not need to know the details here, give me proof this person is a racist and a grass and ill make an opinion then thats a right we all have even outsiders reading into the fight and demo link for the first time?

I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT CLEARER THAT THIS DEMO AND APPEAL IS FOR THE ANIMALS FULL FUCKING STOP !!

tHIS SHIT IS LOVED BY POLICE, VIV SUPPORTERS AND THE LIKES IF ANYONE WANTS TO DO THE ANIMALS A FAVOUR CUT THE FUCKING CRAP OUT OF IT !!

THIS IS A GOOD CAUSE AND IM TELLING YOU FROM THE HEART I WILL WORK WITH MOST PEOPLE IF I FEEL THEY ARE GOOD AND HAVE PROOF OFF THAT FOR MYSELF NOT THIS SHITTY NAME CALLING KID LIKE CRAP EVIDENCE ? EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION AT TIMES YES BUT IF THEY HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH AND LEARNT FROM MISTAKES DONT YOU THINK THIS IS A CASE OFF FORGIVE AND FORGET BECAUSE ITS THAT OR ANIMALS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE SUFFERING ?

tHIS LINK SHOULD BE SHOUTED FROM ROOFTOPS FOR SUPPORT AND NOT HAVE IT ADVERTISED AS A NASTY STUPID ROW THAT STARTED ON FAKEBOOK, WHERE MOST THE PEOPLE ROWING HAVNT EVEN MET EACH OTHER ?

??? PLEASE AM I STUPID OR DO I NOT MAKE SENSE, ANSWER ME THAT ?

and before its asked im not apart off NAVA, SHAC, ALF im me i support a good cause when i know one fullstop !!

lisa (against all harm to sentiment beings) barlow

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Agreed

28.03.2012 22:58

I fully agree with the "above is an outrage"

Just take a look at who started slandering who first... OK

The real AR movement were already ignoring the ego seekers until they commented about NAVA. Now can everyone reading this who does not like NAVA or AR please shut up and go your own way.

Thanks, Bye.

George

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By there very meaning george

28.03.2012 23:02

Nava supports a racist _ hence forth not supporting an anti racist movement

two you continue to support bitching battles with the ar hall marks something that makes it very clear to be ANIMAL RIGHTS is to be anti racist

you have not condemed the grassing / and threats of grassing

all this aside your movement feels like a pissing contest
we can piss higher (nava no we can) others( no we can ) so on and so fourth why not fight united with shac and others to end all animal cruelty

jon

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Just think!

28.03.2012 23:09

Id happily work with SHAC or any group Jon, ive always made that very clear.
So you don't like the BUAV, Uncaged or Sea Shepherd? They are racists too?
No. They just want to stay out of the whole ridiculas situation and so does NAVA!

George

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And were back to the beginning

28.03.2012 23:20

who started the war
what started the war

I Would work with ANY group Unless i feel compounded not to Like nava
due to the above reasons and many many more george tho i wish nava well you certainly have no support from me

make apologies for the racism and apologies for supporting of police informing then most people will actually agree with nava no doubt but till matters are resolved then it feels as stated going to be a pissing battle

Jon

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Goodnight

28.03.2012 23:22

Ok Please one point/comment and last

All the above movements support one thing the ALF right ? (i hope)
Well lets all just remember what that stands for please ?

ANIMAL LIBERATION .

Full Fucking Stop !!

Until All are Free

Lisa LASTCOMMENTBETTERTHINGSTODO barlow

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Stupid public battles

28.03.2012 23:44

This whole thing is stupid. This public battle isn’t helping anyone. The first few comments have the tone of a fake police troll comment (of the kind exposed by Indymedia last year) and it looks like people from both sides got sucked in. This is not the forum to air differences.

I have some comments to make regarding some of the things said but not on Indymedia. Please will Indymedia remove all comments on this thread!

As for the demo in question – it sounds good and ill do my best to make it if I can - I dont agree with some of NAVA's choices but I know Harlan is an important target.

Aran

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A lot of racism on indymedia

28.03.2012 23:52

as shown in these comments - still!!!!!

FFS

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What a car crash !

29.03.2012 08:12

Jesus ! What a fucking car crash AR has become in the UK if this is anything to go by. Its no wonder SHAC fell apart if this is the sort of people they have running it now.

Used to be active in AR when I lived in England

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Time to remove the Comments Admin

29.03.2012 12:15

Admin of indy could you clear up the posts and hide this comments i must state it looks rather untidy and not doing either side any good

keep the posts but delete the comments please admin thank you

Indy supporter

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Thanks for the heads up

29.03.2012 12:39

Grass's, racists, egoists, nasty bastards .. I'll definately be staying clear of this lot.

Veganlife

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I disagree

29.03.2012 12:42

These comments should stay up before anybody walks into a group which comprises of some of the nastiest individuals the AR movement has seen for a long time.

Old Skool