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Israel initiates bloodbath on Gaza

Pedro Jimenez | 12.03.2012 23:09 | Flotilla to Gaza | Anti-militarism | Anti-racism | Terror War | Cambridge

Israel initiates bloodbath on Gaza… which continues 4 days later ... As Gaza endures its 4th day of intense bombing from Israeli F-16s, V58 fighter planes, Apache helicopters, UAVs and warships, please take the time to look at these websites and read these key articles: Ali Abunimah: “Mowing the lawn”  http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/mowing-lawn-israels-latest-massacre-gaza-and-lies-behind-it ... On Israel’s latest massacre in Gaza and the lies behind it: Israel provoked this violence and according to some Israeli commentators its goals are to escalate pressure for war with Iran and to drag Hamas away from diplomacy and back into violence. .......

Israel initiates bloodbath on Gaza
Israel initiates bloodbath on Gaza


Sunday’s victims of the Israeli bombing included Ayoub Useila, 12, of Jabalya refugee camp, whose seven year-old cousin was injured, and Adel al-Issi, 52, a farmer near Gaza City. Others suffered horrifying injuries, as recounted by doctors at Gaza’s al-Shifa hospital.

On Monday, another 5 people were reported killed, and dozens more injured, bringing the reported total of dead to 23.

…This weekend’s attacks have followed a typical pattern. Israel launches a lethal attack knowing full well that Palestinian resistance factions will respond. It then uses the response—dozens of rockets falling on Israel rarely causing injuries or damage—as the very pretext for continued bombing. Israel also claims to have shot down several dozen incoming missiles using its US-subsidized “Iron Dome” anti-missile system.

…Israel’s routine policy of executing Palestinians in occupied territories without charge or trial, based on flimsy allegations made by the killers themselves, is a major violation of international humanitarian law and makes a mockery of Israel’s claim to be a “democracy” by any possible measure. .......... M O R E:  http://ingaza.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/israel-initiates-bloodbath-on-gaza-which-continues-4-days-later/

Mohamed Majdalawi, Palestinian, Jabaliya camp, photos and thoughts  http://mmajdalawi.com/home/?p=98#more-98

Omar Ghraeib, Palestinian from Gaza website and photos  http://gazatimes.blogspot.com/

Jenny Graham: Irish in Gaza  http://irishingaza.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/the-onslaught-continues/


Pedro Jimenez

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just a quick question

12.03.2012 23:42

Does Roy Bard AKA FTP of Indymedia UK still have that little Holocaust denial site on the side?

Why, yes, he does.

by the way

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Take that out of your anus...at once!

13.03.2012 01:14

"Why, yes, he does"

Erm, this article is about Palestinians being killed by Zionists though!

Did you forget that? Is there anything I can do to help you at all?

Ginger

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why yes

13.03.2012 01:47

'Is there anything I can do to help you at all?'

Yes, explain what Roy Bard is doing contributing to a Holocaust denier site.

commenter

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explain what Roy Bard is doing contributing to a Holocaust denier site.

13.03.2012 10:32

Because Roy is an anti-Semite, a Holocaust Denier, a friend of other Holocaust Deniers and about as anti Jewish as a person can be without pulling on an SS uniform and goose stepping down Catford High Road.

Other mods walked away from the site rather than work with him and he is loathed by many, he maintains his position on Indymedia only because after the split the collective needs foot soldiers like him to do the donkey work.

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13.03.2012 11:37


If anyone is going to be goose-stepping down the High Street, I reckon its gonna be the ones that want to control the discourse and tell people what they may and may not think about.

ftp

For The Palestinians

13.03.2012 12:32

Thank you to the contributor for bringing this atrocity to the attention of the sincere people of the indymedia readership. To see innocents suffering, traumatised by the likes of israel is truly - a crime against us all.
I appeal, do not let ourselves become desensitised.
I have heard there is a march on Jerusalem in support of the Palestinians on the 30th of March. For those not able to participate, are there any other practical suggestions, that would allow an outlet for the intense feelings of injustice, that I'm sure many people are feeling.

TJ Peace

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Interesting choice of quote

13.03.2012 13:09

Roy,

I see you decided to link to a page that talked about censorship in Nazi Germany, one quote stood out,

"Censorship was rampant throughout Nazi Germany. Censorship ensured that Germans could only see what the Nazi hierarchy wanted people to see, hear what they wanted them to hear and read only what the Nazis deemed acceptable. ."

This same paragraph could read thus:

"Censorship is rampant throughout Indymedia UK. Censorship ensures that readers can see what the Indy UK hierarchy want people to see, hear what they want them to hear and read only what the Collective deem acceptable.









It did not surprise me in the least to see you were so well acquainted with the Nazis.

anti Semite Watch

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Censorship and authoritarianism

13.03.2012 13:24

"Censorship is rampant throughout Indymedia UK. Censorship ensures that readers can see what the Indy UK hierarchy want people to see, hear what they want them to hear and read only what the Collective deem acceptable."

Oh me - oh my

Lets see if this works:

Punishments ranged from banning of presentation and publishing of works to deportation, imprisonment, or even execution in a concentration camp.

Nah - that'd be the authoritarians and the zionists then who try to shut down debate. Indymedia has never pretended to be a 'free speech site" and has a clear mission statement and editorial guidelines. It doesn't have the power to stop people posting to other sites, nor of executing them in concentration camps.

While the mainstream media conceal their manifold biases and alignments, we clearly state our position. Indymedia UK does not attempt to take an objective and impartial standpoint: Indymedia UK clearly states its subjectivity.

ftp

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Is that the best you can do Roy ?

13.03.2012 13:45

"Indymedia UK does not attempt to take an objective and impartial standpoint: Indymedia UK clearly states its subjectivity."



How very true - Anti Semitic from the day you joined the collective.

We all recognise Fascists when we see them

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Shutting down debate

13.03.2012 14:08

Lonely Jew hater and Indy uk moderator 'ftp' wrote,

"and the zionists then who try to shut down debate"

Well yes 'ftp' we do like to shut down debate sometimes. I think that 'no platform' for Holocaust Deniers like you is a viable and proven as well as effective way to deal with antisemites, Fascists and others who, like you have an irrational hatred of us Jews .

Presumably because the hate sites that you run have no readers you have to return again and again to Indymedia to let us have the benefit of your views on why the Holocaust needs to be "reassessed" .

Jewish

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Sad shadow of what it was

13.03.2012 15:24

I a fortunate to remember those days before Roy and his antisemitic filth became central to the focus of IMC. Those of us who walked away realised that people like him are not interested in the idea of collective non-hierarchical decision making and open publishing, they are interested in using IMC to spread their message of hate for jews and using the site as a way for people like him to come together.

Many have already documented the decline of IMC in Britain, to my mind that decline is strongly linked to the manipulation of the site by Roy and his camp followers.

Former ISM volunteer

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Ring a bell Roy ?

13.03.2012 15:38

"Lets see if this works:

Punishments ranged from banning of posters presentations and editing of their works to repeated ridicule, logging of their IP details to be passed on to third parties for DOS attacks and for Mods who don't follow doctrine removal from the collective and theft of the site URL.

anti Semite Watch

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Spamming the newswire.

13.03.2012 15:48

Tony Greenstein.
Tony Greenstein.

Is this the person who is currently spamming the IMC newswire with anti-semitic content?

His name is Tony Greenstein and he appears to be a rabid right winger.

Me

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...

13.03.2012 15:52

"Many have already documented the decline of IMC in Britain, to my mind that decline is strongly linked to the manipulation of the site by Roy and his camp followers."

But it is you who are constantly vomiting over all stories which highlight Israel's racism toward palestinians in the comments section. Everytime a story appears highlighting Israels appalling human rights abuses, you immediately fill the story up with garbage about anti-semitism.

It isn't Indymedia doing this...it is you!

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13.03.2012 15:55

TG
TG

Is this the anti-semitic Indymedia troll.

His name is Tony Greenstein and he is Jewish.

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Anti-semitism.

13.03.2012 15:58

"Well yes 'ftp' we do like to shut down debate sometimes. I think that 'no platform' for Holocaust Deniers like you is a viable and proven as well as effective way to deal with antisemites, Fascists and others who, like you have an irrational hatred of us Jews ."

Nobody has an irrational hatred of Jews. We are against the human rights abusing state of Israel and its Zionist horde.

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For "BG"

13.03.2012 16:03

There is a difference between the legitimate criticism of Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians and the repeated anti-semitism displayed by ftp and other contributors.

I know that what also annoys people is the way that when anti-semitism is pointed out on Indy UK that leads to the persons posts being labelled "Trolling" or "Disinformation" when the mods are unable to think of a reason for hiding the posts or comments.

If you still thin 'ftp' is concerned only with legitimate criticism do a quick Google search as have a look at his regular contribution to Holocaust denial sites and his personal administration of two sites that are strongly anti-semitic.

The evidence is there and he doesn't even bother trying to deny it these days.

Also sick of repeated Indy jew hating

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You might be, other are not

13.03.2012 16:07

>>>>> Nobody has an irrational hatred of Jews. We are against the human rights abusing state of Israel and its Zionist horde.<<<<<

I'm sure that is your view, it certainly is mine however I for one am objecting to those here on the site that contribute to Holocaust denial sites while holding positions as moderators of Indymedia GB, you must see that is unacceptable and undefendable.

Sort of agreeing

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Censorship

13.03.2012 16:15

And as the comments begin to focus in on the problem out comes the blue pen of censorship and all the comments are quickly moved to the 'hidden' file. The Indymedia moderator equivalent of hiding under the bedclothes hoping the boogy man will go away

 https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/03/493479.html?c=all

Incredibly pathetic but predictable response
- Homepage: https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/03/493479.html?c=all

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Yep, we've got him.

13.03.2012 16:23

"And as the comments begin to focus in on the problem out comes the blue pen of censorship and all the comments are quickly moved to the 'hidden' file. The Indymedia moderator equivalent of hiding under the bedclothes hoping the boogy man will go away"

Yes there is clearly a problem here. I have posted a number of posts which failed to appear at all before being hidden almost immediately. Never known the mods to be hiding in real-time before.

Yes, I accept that we have a problem with tactical anti-semitism being posted by Jewish activists.

However, this person has now been identified and I am satisfied that we have the culprit.

Wedlock.

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So, let me get this straight

13.03.2012 16:46

So you think Roy Bard, aka 'ftp', aka 'freethepeeps' a man with a long history of anti-Semitic writing, a contributor to Holocaust Denial websites, a serial contributor to anti Jewish blogs and a know hater of Jews by those who have met him is really a "Jewish activist" posting "tactical anti-semitism"




Well it's a theory

Bemused

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Can we agree on a few basic premises.

15.03.2012 00:04

1. ftp is a dick
2. Holocaust denial is wrong and offensive
3. This story have nothing to do with the holocaust.
4. There could be no justification for the actions Israel is taking against civilians.
5. Pictures like this one just makes a sane person sick to his stomach, and does not help, even though this is the reality, sometimes it's better to know without seeing.

Just look at the moderator mailing list and it's obvious that the first premise is true. one example, someone complained about a story about Assad, that it clearly violates the no hierarchy rule. after a few exchanges ftp reluctantly removed it, then went on to remove several other stories, like one about a socialist feminist conference on the grounds that it is hierarchical.

I don't know who this Tony Greenstein is, but he appears in several exchanges with ftp on the mailing list, and he clearly has a very good reason to hold a grudge against IMC UK, a posting declaring his death was made here, and ftp was extremely rude about how he dealt with it.

I believe that some of these kinds of photos are the reason why so many are so desensitised to violence and why so many (including myself) are showing signs of psycho reactions.

If you undermine the holocaust then you have nothing to do in IMC or any other human rights organisation. Your concern isn't the well being of the victims just fuelling your hatred.

Now then, let's figure out what we can do to de-escalate this recent Gaza bombardment. Regardless of the obvious fact that ftp is a dick, and the most active moderator/censor on IMC, there are people dying right now, not 60 years ago.

I am trying desperately to brainstorm an action, but cannot think of a decent one, writing letters to Gazans springs to mind (not that it will stop Israel, but it might make some feel less isolated). We can have a demo, but all these things seems like tried, tested and failed. so let's use this thread for figuring out what might succeed.

I can help in giving translations of Israeli media, and discussions on the forums. If you see something you need translated post a link here and while I can't promise I'll have time to fully translate everything, I can give you the gist.

Right now, the best thing to do I think will be scrutinise and flood the reddit.com/r/Israel and Palestine and provide active and intelligent opposition to the right-wingers who are allowed to post all sorts of disgusting racist stuff, so let's start by flooding it with a sane reactions.

Right now, the mainstream line is that the first 16 people killed were definitely terrorists who were definitely planning an attack. if you know of a way to disprove at least one of these then we have somewhere to start:
 http://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/qr8xh/nice_idf_shooting_16_terrorists_killed_zero/

I am going to spend the rest of the night on this one, let me know if anyone wants to do some collaborative (anonymous) planning tonight. For more secure communication go to torbook and make a posting, I will check it out throughout the night:
 http://ajqaivfxtqy3fdlr.onion/torbook/
(You'll need tor)

I know this post will get hidden, because ftp is a cunt and doesn't give a fuck about people, just his ego, but that's OK since by now we all know how to view hidden comments it shouldn't bother us.

ssh

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@ssh

15.03.2012 08:47

"Just look at the moderator mailing list and it's obvious that the first premise is true. one example, someone complained about a story about Assad, that it clearly violates the no hierarchy rule. after a few exchanges ftp reluctantly removed it, then went on to remove several other stories, like one about a socialist feminist conference on the grounds that it is hierarchical."

Maybe thats because the "Assad article" was written by an independent journalist, based on what she was being told be her Syrian contacts, whilst the post about the socialist feminist conference was a repost of a Workers' Liberty advert. Indymedia exists to promote independent journalism, not to relay notices from hierarchical Trot organisations. hence the guideline reads:

Hierarchy: The newswire is designed to generate a news resource, not a notice-board for political parties or any other hierarchically structured organizations.

That guideline precedes my involvement in Indymedia uk, and to be honest I couldn't give a flying fuck what you or anyone thinks of me. My actions are dtermined by my politics, not the need for the approval of trolls, anonymous posters and the authoritarian left.

I don't know who this Tony Greenstein is, but he appears in several exchanges with ftp on the mailing list, and he clearly has a very good reason to hold a grudge against IMC UK, a posting declaring his death was made here, and ftp was extremely rude about how he dealt with it.

If you don't understand the dynamics then you are bound to come to absurd conclusions. If you didn't notice how rude Greenstein was before I got involved, then you're obviously someone with an axe to grind, just like Mr. Greenstein:

Do you have sawdust for brains? Are you incapable of understanding that a funeral notice from a fascist is a bit worse than that? I suggest that you read up a bit on fascism and things like that as you don't appear to have any progressive or radical politics.
I know this post will get hidden, because ftp is a cunt and doesn't give a fuck about people, just his ego, but that's OK since by now we all know how to view hidden comments it shouldn't bother us.

As opposed to the fact that it contravenes several guidelines including personal abuse, complaints about moderation and inacurate?

ftp

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What a terrible shame

15.03.2012 09:00

On a day that yet another mod walks away from Indymedia as a result of being bullied by the controlling elite we have 'ftp' still trying to justify his existence

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/03/493479.html?c=all

scum

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Did we hurt your feelings?

15.03.2012 10:31

I would love to get into this kind of shit fight with you, but this isn't the place or the time. perhaps we could start an 'ftp is a twat' thread where we can do this. Despite what you think this isn't about your injured ego, or you narrow world view, it isn't about the dodgy friends you keep or the Nazi crap you chose to express, nor is it about your running battles with Greenstein or about your support for Assad and Gafaffi.

This is about the Israeli military attacks on Gaza, this is about the bombardment of one of the most densely populated areas on earth and about the victims who are now hanging on the thread, and the fact that our actions, right now, could make the difference between another cast lead and a "minor skirmish".

We have at best a couple of days to prevent this from becoming another massacre. it is hanging on the balance. The thing Israel is scared of most is bad publicity. this works in our favour because we have a very small window of opportunity to make sure the the Israeli government understands that this will not only be a PR disaster for them, it will completely ruin them. this means that we might actually be able to have an effective armchair campaign, but we don't have long. so let's flood the forums, flood the English language Israeli newspaper forums, flood reddit and youtube and make sure we prevent another catastrophe from happening.

ssh

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@ssh

15.03.2012 10:49

"and make sure we prevent another catastrophe from happening."

Good luck with that - misrepresenting me in hidden comments on Indymedia sure won't stop it....

And the first paragraph belies your claims to be hungry for justice.

ftp

what can we do

15.03.2012 15:14

Any practical things anyone can do? I am a practical person and when I see that picture above, I can't help notice the ripped bed, the bent frame etc probably because that's all I know. But when I look at them bairns, suffering it makes me feel ashamed that I don't feel what I should have. Unsensitive I agree. How can we mend them kids.

Paul

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