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'Rogue soldier' story is a propaganda lie

anon | 12.03.2012 09:48

THE AMERICAN claim that only one 'rogue' soldier was behind the massacre in Afghanistan on Sunday is being described as a lie.

The line that a sole deranged individual carried out the murder of 16 civilians, including children, has been repeated by global media and seemingly accepted as true. Obviously, this version of the story is less damaging to the reputation of the US's army of occupation.

But eye witness reports spoke of a group of American soldiers who were laughing and appeared drunk. And AP reported on Monday morning: "Afghans are expressing growing skepticism that a shooting rampage that killed 16 civilians was carried out by a single US soldier.

"Abdul Rahum Ayubi, who is a lawmaker from Kandahar province where the tragedy occurred, said Monday it seemed impossible for one soldier to cover the ground between the houses that were attacked — over a mile (2 kilometers) — and also burn the dead bodies.

"Bismullah Afghanmal, a parliament member, said the reports he received from villagers indicate the shooting before dawn Sunday came from several directions." Bacha Agha of Balandi village told AP: "One man can't kill so many people. There must have been many people involved.

"If the government says this is just one person's act we will not accept it. ... After killing those people they also burned the bodies." In a statement, Afghan President Hamid Karzai left open the possibility of more than one shooter.

He initially spoke of a single US gunman, then referred to "American forces" entering houses. The statement quoted a 15-year-old survivor named Rafiullah, who was shot in the leg, as telling Karzai in a phone call that 'soldiers' broke into his house, woke up his family and began shooting them. "This is an assassination, an intentional killing of innocent civilians and cannot be forgiven," Karzai said.

The original news report from Reuters, later modified to include the official US account, said: "Witnesses told Reuters they saw a group of US soldiers arrive at their village in Kandahar's Panjwayi district at around 2am, enter homes and open fire."

From:  http://vastminority.blogspot.com/

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Spinelli Group

12.03.2012 10:28

This is likely to have been a covert operation by the Spinelli Group, an organisation dedicated to a single European state that is opposed to any US involvement in Europe or its zone of influence. In time to come we will discover the false flag aspect of it (European soldiers dressed as Americans for example), the confusion (one soldier, a group etc etc )

The Spinelli Group is the successor to the Bilderburg Organisation and for more than 60 years was called the Union of European Federalists (UEF) together with a youth organisation Young European Federalists (JEF) with a “belief that only a European Federation that reduces the US presence in Europe to observer status is the future".

Its activities have increased of late with key people being place in top European political and business positions.

Watcher


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I see a DVD / book on the horizon

12.03.2012 11:25

So a tragedy is one again jumped on by the conspiracy theory loonies that stalk Indymedia looking for the latest bandwagon.

Shouldn't be long before Knot Eyed Jaguar comes along to tell us all it was the Jews at fault.

Kennedy assassination / moon landing / 911


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Needle and cotton.

12.03.2012 11:44

So, anyway, nutcase EDL trolling aside.

What do we know about the identity of the Afghans who have been murdered in this atrocity?

Obviously the American soldier who did this isn't worth an inch of mud so it isn't really important to paralyse ourselves by endlessly gobbing off about him.

Who are these Afghans? names, faces, ages. What did they look like?

Reality check.


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Moon Landing

12.03.2012 12:18

Instead of labelling the Moon Landing as a "conspiracy theory" it would be better to say what is it, a massive hoax perpetrated on the people of the world to bolster US prestige as it was losing the space race to the USSR.

Some of the key points are


How many Americans believe that the Moon Landing was a hoax ?
The Moon Landing Conspiracy Theorists were initially labelled as crackpots and fools but recent Market Research studies have indicated that approximately 30% of Americans now believe that there is enough cumulative evidence to suggest that man never went to the moon - that the Lunar Landing was a hoax - a fake moon landing hoax.

What reasons would the US Government have to fake such an event?
To answer such a question can only lie in space exploration history. The decade of the sixties was consumed by thoughts of the Cold War between Russia and the USA. The Russian launch of Sputnik terrified the USA due to the fear of nuclear annihilation. There was a real fear that the winners of the Space Race could build a Nuclear Missile Base on the Moon.

The evidence:

No real plans for return trips - why on earth not ?

Images show that Stars were missing from the black lunar sky

Absence of engine noise in official NASA footage - how was it possible to clearly hear the voices of the Astronauts?

No Blast Crater under the LEM after the powerful engines had been fired

Astronauts Footprints - How was it possible for footprints to be left undisturbed and without dust

American Flag was waving - how is this possible when there is no air on the moon

Pictures of the ascent of the LEM - images appear to show that the LEM was jerked up, as if by a cable, there was no evidence of an exhaust plume

Grainy, Unclear images although technology at the time could have produced much clearer images - Did NASA intentionally make the images hard to see?

Still Photographs - Cameras were fitted to the Astronauts chest - there was no view finder and photographs could only be taken by movement of the body but 1000's of flawless photographs were taken

Crosshairs on Still Photographs - The crosshairs on the photographs could only be on the top of images but pictures of the Astronauts and the Flag clearly show that the crosshairs were partially obscured, beneath the images

Shadows - The only source of light on the moon was the Sun but shadows were cast in multiple directions

Lighting - Images of Astronauts were brightly lighted although their positions would have clearly been in shadow. Some images indicate that the Astronauts appeared to be in spotlight

Backgrounds - the backdrops or the moonscape of some images appear to be identical although NASA stated that the images were taken at different times and locations which were over 2 miles apart

The Van Allen Radiation Belt - Could the Astronauts survive travelling through the deadly radiation belt which is situated 500 miles above the earth and is 1000's of miles thick with only the protection from their space suits and the thin covering of the space ship when it is estimated that 6 feet of lead would be necessary would have been needed. None of the Astronauts have since showed any signs of radiation poisoning

No other manned mission has gone through the Belt

Silencing - It seems unreasonable that information would not have been leaked about any such hoax - theorists therefore believe that key witnesses, including members of the Astronaut Corps, were deliberately silenced. Between 1964 and 1967 10 astronauts died in accidents - 35% of the corps.

Important point


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Yeah ok !?!

12.03.2012 13:06

I am prepared to accept the possibility that the story of the moon landings is flawed - there seems to be some evidence to that effect ... BUT

WTF has it got to do with this issue?

It would seem a tad insensitive to start blathering on about unconnected issues before any meaningful examination of this one has been carried out - some might conclude that to do so is not only bad manners but suspicious too.

Stick to this issue please and let us get to the bottom of the - inevitable - pack of lies being propagated by amerikan imperialism and its supporters.

Irritant


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The end.

12.03.2012 13:14

"Stick to this issue please and let us get to the bottom of the - inevitable - pack of lies being propagated by amerikan imperialism and its supporters."

I don't think its important to concentrate on the US public relations department, they will just use it to distract attention away from what has happened.

Let's concentrate on the victims. Names to faces. Let's look into the eyes of the dead and let them tell us the truth.

The dead tell no lies. It is the living that are dishonest.

Wedlock


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Why ?

12.03.2012 13:37

It's important because the US has a long history of taking incidents like this and presenting them in a way that is at odds with reality. In the same way they faked the moon landings and 911 the killing here is being faked as well. The reasons behind it we don't yet know but one thing is for sure - nobody died and a lone US soldier didn't do it.

Important point


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The Soviets got there first

12.03.2012 13:55

In fact the first manned landing on the moon was in May 1965 with Soviet Cosmonauts aboard Luna 5. They set up a secret observation post (still there today) about 30 miles to the East of the Sea of Tranquillity where the US claimed they landed.

The crew were Pavel Ivanovich Belyayev and Alexey Arkhipovich Leonov. They established a moon based telescope that allows Russia to this day to see US missile launches and warn the Russian government. The base has been visited a number of times by Soviet and then Russian personnel for maintenance, the most recent being during June 2011 when Oleg Kononenko and Sergey Aleksandrovich Volkov landed close to the facility, repaired mirrors and checked the old nuclear power unit that supliments the solar panel array.


Leonov, now retired is an accomplished artist whose published works include drawings of the base one of which hangs in NASA headquarters Houston Texas.

What you don't see on CNN or Fox


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Ooops!

12.03.2012 14:24

Oh dear Mr Troll...

Going down in flames are we?

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


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Open wide.

12.03.2012 14:26

"It's important because the US has a long history of taking incidents like this and presenting them in a way that is at odds with reality. In the same way they faked the moon landings and 911 the killing here is being faked as well. The reasons behind it we don't yet know but one thing is for sure - nobody died and a lone US soldier didn't do it."

Yes dear. That's nice!

Care worker.


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"Going down in flames" ???????

12.03.2012 14:42

WTF are you talking about ?

Why you are calling me a "Troll" for pointing out the important facts of this incident.

Wedlock


Its over.

12.03.2012 14:55

The dead are taken away.
The dead are taken away.

Some of the dead children.
Some of the dead children.

The bodies of some very young infants.
The bodies of some very young infants.

Yet more dead.
Yet more dead.

Some images from the massacre of women and children in and around the Alkozai and Najeeban areas of Kandahar. A total of 16 died on Sunday and according to the BBC "At one house in Najeeban, 11 people were found shot dead, and some of their bodies set alight. At least three of the child victims are reported to have been killed by a single shot to the head.".

A number of the dead were burned by fire obviously in an attempt to hide the crime.

The US has claimed that a lone soldier was responsible for the atrocity but local eyewitnesses at the scene claim a number of soldiers were present and this goes some way to explain how the bodies, after being shot, were then burned. The United States has been widely accused of attempting to manage the reaction to the atrocity by isolating the conduct of the soldier into a mental health issue in order to protect the integrity of the wider ISAF mission.

At present, the United States forces in Kandahar are bracing for a significant reaction to the massacre and have reeled in troops numbers and confined many to their bases. Colaition partners have also cancelled many walking deployments and security patrols in fear of the consequences that are developing.

There is also a developing breakdown of relations between tribal elders and occupation forces throughout Southern Afghanistan with many meetings scheduled to take place in order to manage the recent protests being cancelled or with senior elders simply not turning up as arranged.

It does now look likely that the already strained and difficult relations US forces have had with the local populace have now broken down completely.

The end is nigh.


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Evidence

12.03.2012 15:05

Any evidence these pictures relate to this incident ?

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


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Care worker. = Troll

12.03.2012 15:10

Looks like the agents are here again hoping to distract us from the real events of 911. Always nice to know we have them worried.

Important point


Evidence.

12.03.2012 15:27

Anar Gul and her murdered and burned grandson.
Anar Gul and her murdered and burned grandson.

"Any evidence these pictures relate to this incident ?"

The first image I publish here was taken by an Associated Press photographer at Kandahar on Sunday 11th March 2012. The woman sitting in the back of the truck is Anar Gul and it is her grandson laying dead in the back of the vehicle. She has stated that the boy was killed by foreign troops who came to her village in the early hours during the dark. As you can see, the boys leg has been incinerated in fire set by US forces.

An AP photographer has stated that they witnessed 16 bodies a number of whom had been burned by fire and that is corroberated by photographic evidence. The Associated Press news agency is under very great pressure from the US military in Afghanistan and the US State Department not to release the worst of the images.

The end is nigh.


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Call that evidence ?

12.03.2012 15:40

So you are accepting the word of Associated Press a company with close links to the CIA and which is run by prominent Zionist Tom Curley.

Do you see the problem here ?

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


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Details of the DLB Lunar base that the Americans hate talking about

12.03.2012 16:05

The DLB utilized unmanned Ye-8 spacecraft designed by the Lavochkin OKB to conduct initial reconnaissance of the prospective moon base site. These would use lunar soil core drills to obtain samples of the soil and return them to earth for analysis, and Lunokhod rovers to survey the site. If the site was found to be satisfactory, these craft had radio beacons which would guide follow-on elements of the base to precision landings.

Ambitious articulated mobile nuclear-powered Lunokhod laboratories took the cosmonauts from the landing sites on long-duration traverses of the lunar surface. The Lunokhods were equipped with core samplers and manipulators so that the crew could conduct collection of surface samples from within the pressurized cab without the need to always exit the ship and conduct surface operations in space suits. One of the main objectives of the base was the location and mining of Helium-3 for use in nuclear fusion reactors on earth. Rare on the earth, Helium-3 was abundant on the moon, having collected in the regolith from the solar wind.

Barmin's lunar base was crewed by nine cosmonauts and consists of nine modules. These modules have a length of 4.5 m during launch and transport on the moon. Once position in place on the surface of the moon and inflated with air, they would telescope out to 8.6 m length with a total floor area of 22.2 square meters. Power would be provided by nuclear reactors and solar power.

The nine modules were pre-equipped in the factory for specialized functions: command module, laboratory/warehouse module, workshop module, midpoint module, medical/gymnasium module, galley module with dining room, and three living modules. A prototype of one of these modules was used for a one-year closed-cycle living experiment at the IBMP (Institute for Bio-Medical Problems). Based on the results of this experiment the units on the moon have a false window, showing scenes of the Earth countryside that change to correspond with the season back in Moscow. The exercise bicycle was equipped with a synchronized film projector, that allowed the cosmonaut to take a 'ride' out of Moscow with return. These psychological measures were felt important to maintain the crew's mental health.

From 1963 the Ministry of Defense backed the project with more serious funding, in a view to leapfrogging the Americans by establishing a Soviet moon base before their Apollo project had been completed. In these later versions, the manned elements apparently used the improved L3 complex (designed for the follow-on two-man lunar landings) to ferry manned crews from earth orbit to lunar orbit and then from lunar orbit to the surface and back. The Block Sr LOX/LH2 stage would be used to insert the components of the DLB into low lunar orbit.

By 1965 the lunar city project was practically complete and Chief Designer Barmin arranged a meeting with Secretary Ustinov, head of all military and space rocketry. He brought along two of his 'lunatics', Aleksandr Yegorov and Vladimir Yeliseyev. The project was defended in a marathon meeting - nine presentations over six hours. At the conclusion, Ustinov agreed that the project should go ahead. The cost to the Soviet economy was very high with estimates varying but none known accurately for certian.

The 9-man base was considered only a first stage. Elaborate models were built of larger-scale cities on the moon. Payload that needed to be delivered to the lunar surface for initial operations was 52 metric tons. Supply requirements to support operations and continued expansion of the DLB would start at 80 metric tons per year of payload delivered to the surface in 1975, increasing to 150 metric tons per year after 1980. Barmin's base modules were designed to fit within the 5.5 metric ton net surface payload of a single launch of Korolev's original N1 booster. This could later be increased to 6.5 metric tons using the 30-engine N1, then 9 metric tons using the N1M, or 15 metric tons if Chelomei's alternative UR-700 booster was developed.

Remember the heroes of the Soviet Union


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911 facts that tend to get hidden in the noise

12.03.2012 16:10


 http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?OCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe conclusively shows the presence of unignited aluminothermic explosives in dust samples from the Twin Towers, whose chemical signature matches previously documented aluminothermic residues found in the same dust samples

A selection of Firefighter testimony

Richard Banaciski, 9110253 South Tower:
We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions...Not thinking that this building is coming down. We just thought there was going to be a big explosion, stuff was going to come down. [pp. 3-4]

Gregg Brady, 9110184 North Tower:
We were standing underneath and Captain Stone was speaking again. We heard -- I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up and the north tower is coming down now, 1 World Trade Center.

Frank Campagna, 9110224 North Tower:
That's when it went. I looked back. You see three explosions and then the whole thing coming down. I turned my head and everybody was scattering.

North Tower:
...we don’t even get to the back of the building. We start walking back there and then I heard a ground level explosion and I’m like holy shit, and then you heard that twisting metal wreckage again.Then I said shit and everybody started running... [p. 29]

Roy Chelsen, 9110475 North Tower: [He gets out of the NT and then this happens.]
All of a sudden we heard this huge explosion, and that's when the tower started coming down. We all started running. [pp. 8-9]

I finally got through on my phone to my father and said, ‘I’m alive. I just wanted to tell you, go to church, I’m alive. I just so narrowly escaped this thing.’ He said, ‘Where were you? You were there?’ I said, ‘Yeah, I was right there when it blew up.’ He said, ‘You were there when the planes hit?’ I said, ‘No, I was there when it exploded, the building exploded.’ He said, ‘You mean when it fell down?’ I said, ‘No, when it exploded.’

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


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Looks good to me.

12.03.2012 16:15

I've looked at the images and they look genuine to me. I also trust the word of AP along with their images.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar.


AP

12.03.2012 16:20

"The first image I publish here was taken by an Associated Press photographer at Kandahar on Sunday 11th March 2012."

Its Allauddin Khan who works as a stringer for AP in Afstan.

Trusted contributor and a safe pair of hands.

Jo Shmo


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Knot Eyed Jaguar.. please go away

12.03.2012 16:25

I have no idea of your agenda here and it's possible you have mental health issues but either way just please go away.

The end is nigh.


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Kill please.

12.03.2012 16:29

Hi Mods, can you please kill the following comments.

"911 facts that tend to get hidden in the noise"
"Details of the DLB Lunar base that the Americans hate talking about"
"Call that evidence ?"
"Care worker. = Troll"
""Going down in flames" ???????"
"Open wide."
"Ooops!"
"The Soviets got there first"
"Why ?"
"Moon Landing"
"I see a DVD / book on the horizon"
"Spinelli Group"

These posts are obviously the work of an imbecile.

IMC


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'Jo Shmo' aka, easily fooled fool

12.03.2012 16:30

Another individual sleepwalking through life believing all the Zionist controlled media tells him.

Bless.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar.


...

12.03.2012 16:33

*********Its Allauddin Khan who works as a stringer for AP in Afstan*************

There's loadsa stuff on t-inernet of his already.

H


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Move along nothing to see here

12.03.2012 16:35

Well said "IMC' the last thing we need is the sheep knowing the truth about the world around them is it not ?

Better to let them think,

Armstrong walked on the moon ( Woo Hoo ! - Go USA !)
911 was perpetrated by Al Quida (convenient new enemy after Cold War ends)
This shooting was the work of the US Army (hide involvement of Bilderburger group)


Let them sleep through their life while the 1% run the world.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar.


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You are still working blind

12.03.2012 16:38

So you are accepting now the word and pictures of an employee of Associated Press a company with close links to the CIA and which is run by prominent Zionist Tom Curley.

Do you NOW see the problem here ?

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


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AP

12.03.2012 16:42

AP are an excellent outfit. Solid background and superb contacts.

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@ Knot eyed jaguar

12.03.2012 16:50

If you are not trolling this site for pay may I suggest you seek help from a healthcare professional.

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AP

12.03.2012 16:55

"AP are an excellent outfit. Solid background and superb contacts."

If only, in fact this is a Zionist controlled and run organisation that receives extensive funding from the CIA to present the Neocon view of the world to the world.

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AP's history of publishing fake pictures

12.03.2012 17:01

Another person's view


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????

12.03.2012 17:01

Well these images tell a story don't they.

Fucking yanks killing children again. Sick fuckers.

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Photoshopping photos

12.03.2012 17:05

I would be very wary of these photos.

Without independent verification there are a lot of question marks about when they were taken, if the dead are really dead or even if the are people.

AP will simply take whatever it has been given and publish, it's always been the weakness of the organisation.

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It is what it is.

12.03.2012 17:14

"Without independent verification there are a lot of question marks about when they were taken, if the dead are really dead or even if the are people.W

Oh I doubt that.

The pictures are what they are, a depiction of a serious atrocity, carried out by an occupying army. Independent verification isn't needed here. Excellent images from a first hand account.

That's the ticket.

The only people who see errors or confusion here, are people who are willfully misenterpreting what they see.

Such is the life of the warmonger's.

Sensible person.


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Ahem.

12.03.2012 17:21

*********AP will simply take whatever it has been given and publish, it's always been the weakness of the organisation.************

And that of course means that when it gathers evidence of serious war crimes, we can all dismiss the evidence because the photographer didn't have a couple of million Americans standing by his side to witness the evidence for themselves.

Utter garbage, the images stand up as does the photographers account.

I'm satisfied.

Goodbye.

journalista.


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Moon landing hoax

12.03.2012 17:23

One of the most common questions I get is, "Why would Apollo fake the first manned moon mission (Apollo 8) and then continue to go back 8 more times? To answer this question, one must understand both history and the future. Technology is far beyond what the public is allowed to know - in some cases 35 years ahead of public knowledge.

The elite handlers of the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) needed a long term distraction from the real space program, for the purposes of covertly building the vast control mechanisms and placing them in Earth orbit.

Bart Sibrel touches on this in his first film, when he includes the real reason for space presence - military domination of the Earth from space. This is the history. Another resource for this documented movement towards worldwide tyranny is Arsenal of Hypocrisy. NASA is a multifaceted tool of the MIC, and the Global Elite who plan to implement world government. Apollo was in fact, a great distraction.

Reason #1. The Apollo Earth Video Shots - "Live" TV Broadcasts. The Apollo 11 crew allegedly filmed three live shots of the planet Earth from great distances, or did they? As it turns out, Bart Sibrel discovered that these shots were perfected during the Apollo 10 flights, for propaganda use on the public.

Apollo 11. July 18th, 1969. Neil Armstrong, having heard CapCom report Columbia's distance from the Earth at 130,000 miles out - begins the unofficial television transmission [to be edited and partially played later] by echoing the same distance of 130,000 miles. In view, out the Commander's window is a small ball of blue, with a terminator line and weather patterns matching Earth's current conditions.

We are meant to believe that the blue ball is Earth. It is not. This evidence is our top reason. There can be no doubt. The Apollo 11 Westinghouse camera was not zooming through deep space to see a distant Earth and zooming back out again through deep space. When truly understood, when one understands that the Earth could not have remained in view through the small window across the room, or suddenly appeared as large as when they zoomed into it - this proves the hoax. This is the 'smoking gun' of Apollo, and the top reason to not believe the official story. Raw footage of this is available on the DVD Apollo 11 Monkey Business with detailed explanations in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, and confrontations about it with 9 of the Apollo astronauts in Astronauts Gone Wild.

Few people have taken the time to analyze this footage, but if they truly approach this footage for what it is and not what they hope it will be - they will come to the same conclusion. It is staged, and the Earth is fake.

Bart Sibrel got it wrong in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon. He should have deeply consulted with other Hoax Researchers, but he did not. Sibrel thought it was an "in-orbit' shot of Earth through a circular window. Neither is correct. The commander's window is not circular, and there's no way this was the real Earth at all.

Behind Michael Collins, hanging on Window Number 1 [the commander's CM window] was a transparency - used when they brought down the lights and adjusted the camera exposure. The transparency was a picture of the planet Earth. This was first tested by another Apollo crew on their "flight", which can be examined in detail, through the research & videography of Jarrah White (linked above).

There is no room for "theory" here, in terms of whether or not Apollo safely sent men to the moon and back.






The hoax is no longer simply speculation.

It's a historical fact.

neil armstrong


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meh

12.03.2012 17:24

The only people who see errors or confusion here, are people who are willfully misenterpreting what they see.


aint dat da troof!

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Just keep an open mind for the time being

12.03.2012 17:28

"dismiss the evidence because the photographer didn't have a couple of million Americans standing by his side to witness the evidence for themselves."




Well when we are relying on an organisation with a long documented history of faking photos to meet a political agenda some questioning and investigation is reasonable.

We don't need "couple of million Americans" but verification beyond the word of one photographer who has a large financial interest in the photos being accepted as genuine is vital to ensure the truth.

Another person's view


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Misrepresentation

12.03.2012 17:30

"willfully misenterpreting what they see"

Like NASA. You have been lied to since the 1960's, don't you want to know why ?

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Behind the mirror

12.03.2012 17:33

"The only people who see errors or confusion here, are people who are willfully misenterpreting what they see.

Such is the life of the warmonger's."



You see a warmonger, I see individuals having the bravery and intelligence to question what the Zionist controlled media feeds them every day.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


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Conflicting conspiracy theories here...

12.03.2012 17:40

The mind boggles at some of the convoluted conspiracy theories you see here.

The usual ones are along the line of 9/11 was a hoax and it was really the evil US govt who did it. But Watcher's conspiracy theory seems to be along the lines of: the US are innocent and it was the evil Europeans wot did it.

Is Watcher a pro-US troll just trying to muddy the waters? The Spinelli group seems to be some boring group of liberal Eurocrats, which I suppose to some in the US equals "card-carrying Stalinists who want to eat US babies".

Anyway whatever the truth is, one drunken US soldier or a group of them, I'm sure they will get a hushed-up military trial, spend a year or two in a cushy prison and then be quietly released. If you are a US soldier you can easily get away with mass murder of children with no more than a slap on the wrist. It happens every time.

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Moon landing

12.03.2012 17:48

I am always surprised when I come across somebody who still believes the Americans went to the moon, surely the evidence of them faking it is now so overwhelming that only a fool would still think it.

Bill Kaysing of Rocketdyne Systems (now Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne) has provided masses of evidence that their research showed clearly that it was estimated by them in 1959 that there was a .0014 chance of landing man on the Moon and returning him safely to Earth. This took into account the effects of radiation, solar flares and micro meteorites. Rocketdyne happily took the contract to build the rockets because they knew they only had to push the capsule up to about 60,000 ft, they copied Von Braun's design, built a few, charged NASA a fortune and made a mint.

Mark


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Ya boo sucks to ya!

12.03.2012 17:48

"The mind boggles at some of the convoluted conspiracy theories you see here."

Boggle not, for it is the work of a single simpleton with many an identity!

Mitch


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On the scene

12.03.2012 17:52

"Anyway whatever the truth is, one drunken US soldier or a group of them, I'm sure they will get a hushed-up military trial, spend a year or two in a cushy prison and then be quietly released. If you are a US soldier you can easily get away with mass murder of children with no more than a slap on the wrist. It happens every time."

Probably right about that, the yanks are as bent as yer like...but what happens over the coming weeks in Afstan is what will really decide it!

Mitch


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Afghanistan bananistan

12.03.2012 17:57

***************The usual ones are along the line of 9/11 was a hoax and it was really the evil US govt who did it. But Watcher's conspiracy theory seems to be along the lines of: the US are innocent and it was the evil Europeans wot did it. *************

Lot of codswollop in these comments to say the least.The yanks have gone on the rampage and executed little children in their beds then set fire to them. The bloke who did it actually has two little children himself!!! Work that one out?

berny


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Another easily fooled

12.03.2012 18:18

"The yanks have gone on the rampage and executed little children in their beds then set fire to them"

How do you know that ?

Who benefits from you thinking that ?

What will you do when you find out all this was a fabrication ?

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


group or an individual?

12.03.2012 18:21

Unlikely that it would be a single American out at night on his own unless he was suicidal or wanted to be kidnapped. Almost certainly a group, which means where the fuck are the others?

Al


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Somebody is now talking sense

12.03.2012 18:29

"Unlikely that it would be a single American out at night on his own"

Exactly - the whole story is falling apart.

Faked pictures, inconsistencies in the testimony of those there, question marks over the nationality of the soldiers.

This is a house of cards that's quickly falling apart

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


Bingo

12.03.2012 18:30

Well, according to your super soaraway Sun, the majority of us Brits want out now and couldn't give a toss about staying there anymore.

"Brits want out of ‘unwinnable’ war, Shock Afghanistan poll"

 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4181933/Sun-poll-reveals-Brits-want-out-of-unwinnable-Afghanistan-war.html

Apparently, its come as a complete shock that no-one gives a shit!

The Current Bun


Tip of the iceboig.

12.03.2012 18:35

"Unlikely that it would be a single American out at night on his own unless he was suicidal or wanted to be kidnapped. Almost certainly a group, which means where the fuck are the others?"

I'm sure I read earlier today that he was a engaged with the hearts and minds operation to convince Afghani's that they actually liked having the yanks there. That means he would've been semi-intelligence so would have had access to special forces or worked alongside them.

If he went with those chappies and they were involved then the yanks will keep that a secret. He'll be on his own.

Mitch


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...

12.03.2012 18:38

The bloke who did it actually has two little children himself!!! Work that one out?


Well he aint got them anymore, has he?

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hfjhfguaghfuiah

12.03.2012 18:46

Apparently, its come as a complete shock that no-one gives a shit!



ive not given a shit for ages.

why didnt they report that?

me


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global overlordism is gonna bankrupt america

12.03.2012 18:47

In response to the "end is nigh", NO! its an eternal war for global dominance. After they've smashed the "axis of evil", theyre gonna declare war on every citizen of the world, in search of "lone-wolves". Brutal opressive slaughters is a crusading war strategy, designed for crushing civilian dissent. The prison beatings didnt work in oppressing Iraqi civilians and brutal dominance wont work against ordinary Afgan folks. America has no actual strategy for winning hearts & minds, just horrific battlefield carnage.

And as for the Space theoryism read this-
 http://cryptome.org/0006/nsa-spy-space.htm
 http://www.fas.org/irp/dia/sovmilspace-4mb.pdf

Roger


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Tragedy

12.03.2012 19:00

Well he aint got them anymore, has he?


Tragedy aint it? Goes off on a rampage, kills loads of kids and then goes to prison robbing his own kids of a father. Fuck that.

Al


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The death of Indymedia?

12.03.2012 21:08

This post's comment neatly sum up the sad state of affairs.
Indymedia is a honey-pot to conspiracy theorists, losers and anti-west propaganda.
It is truly the asshole of the internet.

Most comments on here are based on heresay based upon someones, neighbours, cousins goat. Yet the readers seem to lap it up because it is what they wish and want to hear.

Indymedia has lost all integrity to be honest.

Reality right between the eyes


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Death?

12.03.2012 21:55

==The death of Indymedia?

I think that that is probably what you want ?

==This post's comment neatly sum up the sad state of affairs.

There is definitely a concerted attempt here by who we don't know to associate IM UK with various CT ideas - the anti 'Zionist' posts, Moon Landing stuff, and this is happening mostly in the comments section, though some flame bait articles are being published to the newswire.

The aim seems to be to try to tie in all conspiracy theories together into a great big conspiraloon fest. And then a comment like yours will appear.

==Indymedia is a honey-pot to conspiracy theorists, losers and anti-west propaganda.
==It is truly the asshole of the internet.

You like hanging around arseholes then?

==Most comments on here are based on heresay based upon someones, neighbours, ==cousins goat. Yet the readers seem to lap it up because it is what they wish and want to ==hear.


I don't think most readers read the comments, I think most readers know what to expect, currently there's a lot of trolling, I like that because obviously IM is making the fuckers squirm.

Indymedia has lost all integrity to be honest.

Just ignore the comments then. Personally I don't think IM's 'integrity' is based on the comments section

zkt


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don't forget

12.03.2012 23:38

'Indymedia is a honey-pot to conspiracy theorists, losers and anti-west propaganda.
It is truly the asshole of the internet.'

Don't forget raging Jew-haters. For whom the Indymedia editors apparently set out a welcome banner.

Oh sorry! I mean zionists. You know, Indymedia doesn't hate Jews. It only hates Zionists. Hook-nosed money-clutching Zionists like Benjamin Disraeli and Rabbi Akiva (died circa 138). And pretty much every single Jew alive today. Oooops what a giveaway! I mean *Zionists*. Hrummmph.

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Trolling trollop.

13.03.2012 00:47

"Just ignore the comments then. Personally I don't think IM's 'integrity' is based on the comments section"

Absolutely bang on the money.

Nobody really reads the comments on news websites anyway. Just take the Daily Mail for instance. If I do a search for a subject and a DM result comes up, I skim it for info but purposely avoid reading the comments because I already know the colour of their readerships poison.

Same with Indymedia, If the subject is contentious, controversial or very topical, then its an absolute cert that there is something about 9/11 or Jews in the comments followed by some anus complaining that Indymedia is full of conspiracy theories or anti-semites.

Fair play to those who stick rigidly to the article and confine their comments to the actual subject matter. Fair play indeed.

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Are you Jewish?

13.03.2012 01:34

AFAIK

The so called 'Zionist Conspiracy' is part of what Michael Parenti calls the Conspiracy of Class Power, Zionism is an Ideology invented as a possible tool to bring about certain geo-strategic outcomes, Invented around the same time as the promise of global power that the nacent technology of the Internal Combustion Engine gave 'Empire Builders (war mongering investors to you and me)' was coming into being. Massive ammounts of oil were roumoured to exist in Mesopotamia and known to exist in Baku, The British sent 'archaeologists' with seismic packs to 'explore' the 'ancient sites'. So -that meant Trucks Battleships U-Boats,eventually planes and tanks all tested in the first Blitzkreig of WW1.

An invented Ideology much like the Jihadi ideology was invented in America to drive the Soviets out of strategically (to Caspian Basin oil) important Afghanistan. What I'm trying to say is that as Jihad was invented for a geo-strategic purpose so was Zionism

The aims for this invented ideology are to divide Arab against Arab, to keep the ME in a constant state of division war and 'Terror', so that two pillars of power for the ruling class, weapons and oil make nice profits for Investors.

The evidence that 'Zionists control the World' isn't evidence that 'Zionists Control the World',

It's evidence that half through WW1 a group of financiers dropped support for the German plan to dominate Eurasia - and in return for the Balfour Declaration' moved their investment to the 'Allied' plan for the restructuring of Power in the ME ( the removal from the Oil lands of the Ottoman Turks), The removal of two other hereditary ruling class dynastys - Hapsberg/ Romanov - in a restructuring of European power and the rapid industrialisation of what had by then become the Soviet Union 'created' as a foil to the threat of future German domination of Eurasia.

So people that say things like Zionists Control things are wrong. Ruling class Zionists don't give a stuff about whats happening to people of any faith or culture in Palestine. They only care about the geo-strategic effect of turbulence in the ME that the existence of Israel creates, I think as soon as the ME no longer has oil the support by ruling class 'Zionists' for Israel will die. Israel will no longer serve a purpose for the ruling class, then fuck knows what happens, well I suppose a war that's the kind of thing that the ruling class like to do when they can't come up with anything more profitable, there isn't much that is more profitable than war, make something and blow it up make another blow that up too, production can bearly keep up with destruction, kerching kerching kerching.

I agree that the word Zionist is often a shield for the white race revenge brigade fascists as typing "Zionists Control Everything" into a search engine of your choice will show - Storm Front, Rense etc etc,

There is a conection too with 9-11 here, I have personal experience of someone who when seeing that 9-11 was a False Flag and hearing it first from one holocaust sceptic Eric Huffschmidt. Huffschmidt managed to 'brain wash' this person to believe that 'ZIONISTS Control Everything' Concerned for the mental wellbeing of my friend I had to wade through the 'evidence' that everything was controlled by Zionists. What had happened was that my mate experienced an 'Everything you know is wrong moment", and Huffschmidt was on hand to fill up what had become an empty vessel.

So I went onto these White Supremacist web sites, and Huffschmidts own and there they provided documentary evidence in the form of a speech given by some soap manufacturer who had invested in the German plan to remodel the world, and obviously wasn't with the 'smart money' that left the German project half way through WW1. And he was pissed off he must have lost a lot, but he's presented as "Zionist Insider" who was at the meeting that discussed the Balfour decoration. Well he was no Zionist Insider if he didn't know the 'Zionists' were pulling out, and he was in the crowd that heard the declaration read not 'in the meeting' as you might expect an insider to be. So hardly an insider more of a dumb investor that was duped out of his soap cash by a bunch war profiteering 'investors' out to reshape the world and make profit through war and energy.

I couldn't shake my mates conviction because rather than thinking that what I tought I'd done which was a critical appraisal of 'evidence' that Zionists control everything and had found it wanting, I was told I was just spouting Zionist misinformation because Zionist Control everthying the media etc and eveything except Huffschmidts 'truth' can't be believed.

My mate got into this state after 7/7 he went looking for answers on the internet coz his kids were too scared to travel in London and unfortunately found Huffschidt first. So the 'truth' about 9-11 is dangerous if you hear about it from a fascist who then goes on to recruit you as a footsoldier for anti 'Zionists'.

So what's this all mean well basically because Zionism is an invented ideology to suit a certain ruling class geostrategic purpose the Zionists are controlled by the ruling class and not the other way round. The ruling class may support Zionism but it's not because they are Zionists its because it serves their purpose.

Zoltan


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don't forget

13.03.2012 10:33


'Indymedia is a honey-pot to conspiracy theorists, losers and anti-west propaganda.
It is truly the asshole of the internet.'

Don't forget raging Jew-haters. For whom the Indymedia editors apparently set out a welcome banner.

Oh sorry! I mean zionists. You know, Indymedia doesn't hate Jews. It only hates Zionists. Hook-nosed money-clutching Zionists like Benjamin Disraeli and Rabbi Akiva (died circa 138). And pretty much every single Jew alive today. Oooops what a giveaway! I mean *Zionists*. Hrummmph.

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Indymedia

13.03.2012 23:38

Why not just call it "Jewhatermedia" and be done with it.

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@ Zoltan

14.03.2012 09:10

Some of you guys here sure are obsessed with Jews.

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