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Shockingly, business leaders campaign against 50p tax rate

A wealth creator | 01.03.2012 08:32 | Occupy Everywhere | Public sector cuts

A group of people referring to themselves as 'wealth creators' are awfully upset about how they have been put 'in a very awkward position' as a result of the temporary 50p tax rate. Obviously this is the biggest injustice of all the changes made to combat the credit crunch. Go ahead, scrap the NHS and make people work despite being in comas. Just for the love of god don't make the richest in the country have to pay a little bit more! Do you think we're all in this together or something?!

From the beeb:

Businesses call for 50p top tax rate to be scrapped

More than 500 business leaders have called for the 50p top rate of tax to be scrapped in next month's Budget.

In a letter to the Daily Telegraph, they said it was reducing government income and damaging the economy.

The entrepreneurs accused Chancellor George Osborne of putting "populist politics before sound economics".

Mr Osborne has said the 50p rate is a temporary measure and has asked officials to assess how much extra revenue it actually brings in.

There is speculation that wealthy tax payers find ways of avoiding it.

The letter, from the owners of 537 small and medium-sized businesses, said: "Given the current state of the UK economy, we urge the chancellor to urgently consider scrapping the top rate of tax in his forthcoming Budget.

"The tax, which is in effect a 58p tax after national insurance is taken into account, puts wealth creators like us in a very awkward position.

"We believe the richest should help the poorest in society. 1% of taxpayers are forecast to contribute nearly 28% of income taxes.

"But penalising high earners through an unfair, politically-motivated tax puts populist politics before sound economics."

The letter adds: "The result is that the 50p tax is set to reduce government income and damage the economy, the public services and charitable giving."
Tricky decision

One of the signatories, Tony Stein, director at Canterbury Care, said the rate was a disincentive to job creation.

He said: "Times are hard and reducing the resources available to entrepreneurs to reinvest in new business is the wrong outcome for the country."

Business leaders are funding a campaign against the tax rate of 50p in the pound.

Last September, the campaign organised a letter signed by a group of leading economists.

BBC chief economics correspondent Hugh Pym says the decision of when to end the 50p rate will be tricky.

Some people argue that when there is a public sector pay freeze it is wrong to be helping the richest in society.
'No timetable'

Shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, Rachel Reeves, said now was not the time to do away with the 50p rate.

"When millions of families and pensioners on middle and low incomes are being squeezed by the VAT rise and cuts to tax credits, cutting taxes only for the richest 1% cannot be the right priority now," she said.

"But these business owners are right to call on the government to take action to stimulate growth and jobs in our economy.

"That's why Labour is calling on the chancellor to use the almost £1bn unspent from his failed national insurance holiday to give a tax break to all small firms taking on extra workers."

The rate, introduced by Labour, is levied on earnings above £150,000 a year.

A Treasury spokesman said: "We have said we regard 50p as temporary and have asked HMRC to report on its effectiveness. We have not set out a timetable for any change in policy."

A wealth creator

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50% tax

01.03.2012 09:01

There is plenty of research to show that beyond 50% the actual tax take drops off because there is motivation to avoid it. When the Thatcher government reduced the higher rate of tax the total tax take rose by 27% within 12 months.

This is understood by all economists without political motivations.

reggie


Rich mans world

01.03.2012 10:17

Shout to the homies,
Carnegie, OG, Willie Randolf Hearst,
Rockefeller, the real Rockefeller, my main bitch Leona, little Louie the
Thirteenth, Jack Abramoff, hold ya head, my rothschild nig**z, LET'S
GET THIS MONEY

Taxes are for slaves. Sorry, but this is unavoidably true.

There are those who have never paid tax, how would they pay taxes to themselves? aha

Accept you're chains and shut up, or do something about it!

free man


Government intervention

01.03.2012 11:22

Rich people don't get disproportionately richer than everyone else through free trade. They get disproportionately richer than everyone else through government favours; "Laws" made to favour some people over others, "Preferred contractors" for government projects funded by taxes, through arms deals funded by taxes, through environmental destruction funded by taxes, through endless wars funded by taxes, taxes collected by force and coercion, by threat of police and prison. That's how the 1% get rich.

Rich people make donations to political parties because they expect favours in return. That is the bribeocracy of a violent regulated and taxed market, not a free and democratic market of free and voluntary interaction between free and politically equal individuals and cooperatives.

Governments don't prevent inequality, they create it. Governments don't prevent poverty, they create it.

Take away the government and policy force and we would take back our land from the rich landlords, our means of production from the Chinese factory owners, our independence and our dignity.

But the socialists don't wan't that to happen. They wan't the rich to continue stealing from us, so the government can steal from them and give us the crumbs. They want to fight within the status quo. But worse than that they want to take away individual choice and make all individuals slaves to their great society ideal.

Let's stop calling for the violence of taxes, police, prisons, borders, immigration controls, etc. They all amount to the same thing. SOCIAL CONTROL.

anarchist


Government intervention

01.03.2012 11:43

Our 'anarchist' contributor proving with one simple post why 'Anarchism' as economic model does not work. There is a lot of nonsense posted here regarding economic matters and I would strongly urge contributors to do some reading regarding economics before posting because some people are making themselves look a little silly.

Part Time Economist


maybe

01.03.2012 16:15

some people don't mind looking silly? and maybe it's only what YOU interpret as 'silly'.

Economics is a fucked situation, but austrian is the way forward I heard?

What is it? in average terms (free of economic bullshit and jargon)

clown


part time economist

01.03.2012 16:28

I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty certain in a political debate the one who throws insults without any content is the one looking a littly silly.

The anarchist made plenty of perfectly respectable points. If you've got counter-arguments, spit them out or shut the fuck up.

sdfg


The 'Austrian Model' - O please !!!!

01.03.2012 16:45

An economic idea that says demands never ends and the resources to supply those needs are always limited ? Anyone who has completed their first year in Economics understands the basic flaw in the theory and no it is not being seriously considered by anybody with the exception of a few nut-case North Koreans. Even Mao said it was wrong at a human level.

Part Time Economist


collective delusions

01.03.2012 18:45

The people that get to implement economic theories are the ones that fk things up.

These are theories which necessarily abbreviate the true complexity of social relations and
environmental factors. And the people implementing them are adapting them hamfistedly to existing conditions, carrot and stick style, normally with plenty of stick.

Over-consumption and personal debt have been the order of the day, feeding the rat race.
This has proved totally unsustainable

Part time wreckonomist


pretty sure

01.03.2012 19:13

the american presidential candidate Ron Paul aint north korean.

ha


Ron Paul

02.03.2012 08:06

Ron Paul is not suggesting the adoption of the Austrian model.

Reggie


ron paul

02.03.2012 11:36

is fanatical about austrian economics.

u mad


economic model?

02.03.2012 12:33

Two children swopping sweets for conkers in the school yard know instinctively how to perform an economic exchange. Hopefully they do it in an agreeable way, without violence or coercion, and after the transaction they are both happy.

What are the kids going to think if the school master comes out into the play ground and says "Hay I want a 1/5 of any swops you do, or you get detention"?


Are you for voluntary trade or enforced trade?

Capitalists are the miners of other peoples business. (and so are socialists)

Economic models are only relevant if you are trying to control people and maximise profits, (even if you are doing it with the best of intentions).

anarchist


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Economics

02.03.2012 12:43

Where do you think the sweets come from "anarchist " ?

Capitalists don't "mine' other peoples businesses they create them.

This is why anarchist theory falls apart when it has to face up to real world situations

Tim


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correction

02.03.2012 13:10

Capitalists are the MINDERS or other people business. They don't MIND their own business. They interfere with other peoples privet business, like gangsters!

anarchist


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i haven't thought enough about economics

02.03.2012 14:41

I think money is the thing which really really ties everyone down into the system. After all, he who controls the money supply of a nation, controls the nation.. coughROTHSCHIcough

renaissance mAn


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Ah yes of course

02.03.2012 15:21

Thanks there "renaissance mAn" I thought for a moment an Indymedia thread was going to get by without a reference to Jews.

No fuck off you sad little Nazi

Antisemite watcher


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