Why HS2 must be stopped
Jerry Marshall, Chairman, AGAHST Federation | 11.01.2012 14:51
GAHST (Action Groups Against High Speed Two) is a Federation of 72 local action groups and 2 national organisations that exist to oppose HS2 and promote better alternatives.
The national organisations are HS2 Action Alliance, who are especially involved in researching and challenging the economic, business, technical and environmental case for HS2; and Stop HS2, who are especially involved in campaigning and raising awareness.
We work alongside the many other organisations, political, environmental and economic, that have concerns over this project within a wider remit.
The national organisations are HS2 Action Alliance, who are especially involved in researching and challenging the economic, business, technical and environmental case for HS2; and Stop HS2, who are especially involved in campaigning and raising awareness.
We work alongside the many other organisations, political, environmental and economic, that have concerns over this project within a wider remit.
The £30 billion High Speed 2 rail project has rightly triggered a national debate about our railways. Is HS2 the right project to address the issues our railways face? Is it value for money?
Are there better alternatives? How does a new high speed rail (HSR) line fit into the UK’s overall rail strategy? Sir Rod Eddington in his 2006 rail study asked similar questions and concluded (as McNulty in 2011 also has) that we should generally prioritise getting greater use from our existing assets before building new ones. This document is intended as a contribution to this wider debate.
The business case for HS2 is very weak and has been based on a number of false premises. It fails to recognise that time spent on trains can be economically productive (so the boost to productivity it claims is overstated). It does not use a realistic comparator (so the benefit of
reducing overcrowding is exaggerated). The required sensitivity analysis has not been done (so it does not say what would happen if the growth in demand falls, for instance due to new
technology).
There is little evidence that a new railway would bring regeneration or significant job creation.
The claimed ‘regeneration’ jobs are unlikely to be new jobs and even the Department for Transport (DfT) say that most will be in London. Furthermore, HS2 will leave many areas with slower train travel, the Euston rebuild will cause chaos for 8 years and it costs £½ billion for
every minute saved to Birmingham.
Nor is there an environmental case: HS2 say 87% of passengers will be either new journeys or from lower carbon classic rail. Only 6% are expected to come from air travel – and BAA say any domestic slots made available will be replaced by international flights. The line runs through an
Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, sites of Special Scientific Interest, ancient woodlands and some of Britain’s most tranquil countryside.
It is therefore important to look at the alternatives to HS2. There are better ways to improve capacity and speed on mainline services between London and the North. These alternatives can meet forecast demand, and will benefit more people, more quickly and at a much lower cost.
The starting point, however, is to step back and look at key rail needs. Services between London and the North are already high speed and are not the most congested routes. This broader needsbased approach is picked up in Part 1. The specific issue of mainline capacity to the Midlands and
North is covered in Part 2.
But the debate is wider than just rail. Investment in roads tends to have much higher returns than rail. While motorists contribute 4p per mile to the Treasury, rail requires an average 21p per mile subsidy. And while road is part of everyday travel for most people, rail is for the few, and long-distance rail is for the wealthier few – with 47% of journeys taken by those with the top
20% of incomes.
The debate also includes the role of ultra-high-speed broadband. The internet has only been used by business for around 15 years. Applications and speed will continue to develop rapidly. Over 3 the last year, Skype has starting becoming a mainstream business alternative to physical meetings and webinars are also taking off. Meanwhile, the DfT is encouraging telecommuting.
Software for 3D teleconferencing is already available. This technology will be a game changer and will cut growth in expensive, high CO2 physical travel.
The debate is also about growth and jobs, on which HS2 scores badly. The proposals in this document are likely to do more to benefit the economy because they spread the benefits more widely and focus on gaining significant benefits at relatively low costs.
The bodies behind this document are in favour of higher speed rail but not the proposed HS2 project. In the debate it is important to recognise that we already have a rail system that compares favourably with the best in Europe. According to a recent Eurobarometer survey,
there is a 92% satisfaction with journey times in the UK, higher than all our main European competitors.
Furthermore, we need to avoid the expensive disasters that many of our competitors have faced in their high speed rail projects and look at the opportunity cost of HS2 and alternatives that are more beneficial and appropriate to the situation in the UK.
We also need to avoid investing in heavily in current technology when new rail technology may be on the point of adoption. Some say that Maglev offers greener, quieter, cheaper and faster rail systems. Given reliability issues at the UK’s first Maglev installation and given that the capacity
offered by HS2 is not needed for many decades, we would be wise to wait.
We have a genuine win-win opportunity: we can meet the objectives of HSR – supporting growth and solving capacity issues, as well as achieving faster speeds – but without the need for ultrahigh speed.
The many organisations across the political spectrum campaigning against HS2 and for better alternatives have been accused of being NIMBYs and Luddites. Personally, I am an entrepreneur, an innovator and a risk taker in the context of economic development. But the friend’s flat full of Concorde memorabilia and the former Maglev carriage languishing as a shed in a field in Burton Green, serve as reminders of what can go wrong when political vanity and misjudgment cloud sound analysis and decision making.
Jerry Marshall, Chairman, AGAHST Federation
Are there better alternatives? How does a new high speed rail (HSR) line fit into the UK’s overall rail strategy? Sir Rod Eddington in his 2006 rail study asked similar questions and concluded (as McNulty in 2011 also has) that we should generally prioritise getting greater use from our existing assets before building new ones. This document is intended as a contribution to this wider debate.
The business case for HS2 is very weak and has been based on a number of false premises. It fails to recognise that time spent on trains can be economically productive (so the boost to productivity it claims is overstated). It does not use a realistic comparator (so the benefit of
reducing overcrowding is exaggerated). The required sensitivity analysis has not been done (so it does not say what would happen if the growth in demand falls, for instance due to new
technology).
There is little evidence that a new railway would bring regeneration or significant job creation.
The claimed ‘regeneration’ jobs are unlikely to be new jobs and even the Department for Transport (DfT) say that most will be in London. Furthermore, HS2 will leave many areas with slower train travel, the Euston rebuild will cause chaos for 8 years and it costs £½ billion for
every minute saved to Birmingham.
Nor is there an environmental case: HS2 say 87% of passengers will be either new journeys or from lower carbon classic rail. Only 6% are expected to come from air travel – and BAA say any domestic slots made available will be replaced by international flights. The line runs through an
Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, sites of Special Scientific Interest, ancient woodlands and some of Britain’s most tranquil countryside.
It is therefore important to look at the alternatives to HS2. There are better ways to improve capacity and speed on mainline services between London and the North. These alternatives can meet forecast demand, and will benefit more people, more quickly and at a much lower cost.
The starting point, however, is to step back and look at key rail needs. Services between London and the North are already high speed and are not the most congested routes. This broader needsbased approach is picked up in Part 1. The specific issue of mainline capacity to the Midlands and
North is covered in Part 2.
But the debate is wider than just rail. Investment in roads tends to have much higher returns than rail. While motorists contribute 4p per mile to the Treasury, rail requires an average 21p per mile subsidy. And while road is part of everyday travel for most people, rail is for the few, and long-distance rail is for the wealthier few – with 47% of journeys taken by those with the top
20% of incomes.
The debate also includes the role of ultra-high-speed broadband. The internet has only been used by business for around 15 years. Applications and speed will continue to develop rapidly. Over 3 the last year, Skype has starting becoming a mainstream business alternative to physical meetings and webinars are also taking off. Meanwhile, the DfT is encouraging telecommuting.
Software for 3D teleconferencing is already available. This technology will be a game changer and will cut growth in expensive, high CO2 physical travel.
The debate is also about growth and jobs, on which HS2 scores badly. The proposals in this document are likely to do more to benefit the economy because they spread the benefits more widely and focus on gaining significant benefits at relatively low costs.
The bodies behind this document are in favour of higher speed rail but not the proposed HS2 project. In the debate it is important to recognise that we already have a rail system that compares favourably with the best in Europe. According to a recent Eurobarometer survey,
there is a 92% satisfaction with journey times in the UK, higher than all our main European competitors.
Furthermore, we need to avoid the expensive disasters that many of our competitors have faced in their high speed rail projects and look at the opportunity cost of HS2 and alternatives that are more beneficial and appropriate to the situation in the UK.
We also need to avoid investing in heavily in current technology when new rail technology may be on the point of adoption. Some say that Maglev offers greener, quieter, cheaper and faster rail systems. Given reliability issues at the UK’s first Maglev installation and given that the capacity
offered by HS2 is not needed for many decades, we would be wise to wait.
We have a genuine win-win opportunity: we can meet the objectives of HSR – supporting growth and solving capacity issues, as well as achieving faster speeds – but without the need for ultrahigh speed.
The many organisations across the political spectrum campaigning against HS2 and for better alternatives have been accused of being NIMBYs and Luddites. Personally, I am an entrepreneur, an innovator and a risk taker in the context of economic development. But the friend’s flat full of Concorde memorabilia and the former Maglev carriage languishing as a shed in a field in Burton Green, serve as reminders of what can go wrong when political vanity and misjudgment cloud sound analysis and decision making.
Jerry Marshall, Chairman, AGAHST Federation
Jerry Marshall, Chairman, AGAHST Federation
Homepage:
www.betterthanhs2.org/
Comments
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How we can stop it
11.01.2012 15:39
Fly posting seems to be a good way for small groups to spread their propaganda. Occupations also seem like a good method, although these can be difficult for small groups to stage given the large police presence that can be called to these actions.
What are some other, more creative methods? Highstreet stalls are boring and usually end up in arguments with reactionaries, or pointless discussions with people that end with the person you're talking to coming to some kind of xenophobic conclusion (in my experience ). What other good ways are there to spread propaganda and rhetoric around an area in these times, where potentially radical scenarios are dominated by reformists and pro-Labour union bosses?
A request: given the section I have posted this in, can we merely keep this to a discussion about direct action and propaganda methods rather than a discussion on whether one agrees with direct action or not? This thread is for people that recognize the benefits of direct action and that is the point of discussion.
Thomas the Tank Engine
The other side
11.01.2012 15:43
Also, other than 'spoiling' the view, building more rail transport is hardly the worst thing that could happen. It is fairly low impact, and a type of landscape alteration that wildlife soon learns to adapt to and live with (kestrels love train lines, as the vibrations keep field mice on the move, giving them a reliable hunting ground). The only dumb creatures that may have trouble adapting to this are the chinless wonders and toff filth who inhabit the idylic villages and hamlets along the proposed route.
Town End Boy
And........
11.01.2012 16:02
Also, If you actually read the article, this guy throws out some dubious arguments about CO2m which don't really feel substantiated, and then as if to confirm his nimbyism where the environment is concerned goes on to pimp roads over railways.
He also quotes high satisfaction rates from the current rail system, which any regular commuter will tell you is bullshit!
TTTE, you talk like the people who have started this campaign want anything to do with you! They're the same bastards who sit and laugh when our benefits get cut, our services decimated, our jobs scrapped. If you jump into bed with this lot, you'll be doing the bidding of some of the most ardent tories out there.
I would rip into the above post even more, but I will leave it by saying that analysis and thought should preceed grand pronouncements of direct action.
It is worth pointing out that I am, infact a direct action enthusiast. I just get sick of the strand of the movement that shoots first and asks questions later.
Town End Boy (on the pitch)
High-speed rail, Britain’s transport system for the 21st century
11.01.2012 16:29
Building on the success of High Speed 1, which provides high-speed international and domestic rail services between the Channel Tunnel and London St Pancras, there is a compelling case for developing a national HSR network to serve all of Britain.
With HSR, high-speed trains will operate between our major cities at speeds over 300 km/hour (around 200 miles per hour), dramatically cutting journey times and providing vital connectivity that will boost our economic competitiveness and shrink the north-south divide. With over 1,000 seats per train and service frequencies of 15 trains per hour in each direction, HSR will deliver the additional long-term transport capacity that we will need as our existing road and rail networks fill up. And HSR is the sustainable transport alternative: not only does it have a strong economic case, but the carbon emissions of travel by HSR only one-third of those of car travel and one-quarter of travel by air.
Plane Stupid Supporter
My first thoughts are:
11.01.2012 17:08
Ordinary workers will be priced off the rocket trains, just like Eurostar.
(interesting to note that HS2 dose not join up with HS1)
Ordinary workers will be priced out of homes and workshops in favour of city commuters and their luxury flats.
The financial risks will be taken by the government and forced through taxation on future generations of workers.
The profits will be made by privet sector contractors. (public risk / privet profit)
The rocket ship trains use vast amounts of energy compared to normal trains.
CO2 - Huge amounts of concrete and steel will be used.
Huge areas of land will be dissect, concreted and industrialised.
Removal of High Speed trains from the West Coast Main Line to be replaced with the new rocket ship trains will release train paths for freight and conventional services.
More jobs. That means generally more capitalisation of the provinces by the metropolis.
anarchist
We need high speed rail to get people off planes
11.01.2012 19:21
A greenie
get real Greenie !
11.01.2012 22:33
More roads means more traffic.
Rocket trains means more long distance commuting.
If I can commute further from the office I can get a bigger house for the money!
Any way why not? These rocket ship trains are going to be powered by windmills, aren't they;)
anarchist
I agree
12.01.2012 02:11
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/campaigns+policy/HS2
Plane Stupid Supporter - you have not compared the CO2 emissions of normal non-HS trains. Or indeed the other more environmental choices - walking & cycling. Encouraging people to live closer to where they work is definitely needed so that long-distance commuting is not needed. The HS rail could mean that people just commute even more ridiculous distances to get to work.
Agree with this comment by 'anarchist' - 'CO2 - Huge amounts of concrete and steel will be used.' There will be an environmental cost of building and maintaining the line. The trains will most likely use more energy to travel at high speed. Why not try getting people off being hooked to fast long-distance travel which is a bit indulgent. Slow travel is better!
Plainly environmentalist
‘BANNED’ CHRISTMAS HS2 PROTEST SONG AT NUMBERS 4 AND 5 ON HMV CHART
12.01.2012 05:35
http://stophs2.org/news/4116-%E2%80%98banned%E2%80%99-christmas-hs2-protest-song-numbers-4-5-hmv-chart-radio-airplay
Plainly environmentalist
The thinking is flawed
12.01.2012 07:40
Most transportation is about commerce, people selling things and then moving them somewhere. Society needs to adopt a local, agricultural based vegan lifestyle that minimizes transport to the emergency only to protect the planet and the human race from extinction.
The transport sector contributes 36% of UK carbon emissions and is the only major sector in which emissions are predicted to rise until 2020
The money being spent on this could be used to help establish local community farms that are carbon negative.
We must stop travel to save the planet.
No to High Speed Train, Plane or Car
Us and Lord Astor
12.01.2012 08:23
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085437/Cameron-derailed-father-law-Lord-Astor-attacks-PMs-decision-32billion-high-speed-train-line.html
lynx
Living in a fantasy world
12.01.2012 08:49
The reality is that trade, commerce, industry, capitalism call it what you will has made the lives of the majority of us in the Western world immeasurably better. We live longer, our health is better during our lives, we are better educated, the freedoms for minority groups have never been better, we have a government we can get rid off, we have an opportunity to be part of the government if we wish.
Your view of how the world should be it unrealistic, unwanted and one of the reasons why much of the anarchist tribe is so out of touch with the community.
Realist
No fantasy
12.01.2012 09:21
Real realist
21st Century Realism
12.01.2012 09:59
ok how about greed, colonialism, imperialism, slavery, thuggery and militarism?
Mike Cooper
Look before you leap
12.01.2012 15:27
"(interesting to note that HS2 dose not join up with HS1)"
Do some research before commenting, if you want to avoid embarrassment. Those of us who have taken the trouble to look at the plans have seen the link between HS1 and HS2. This link was confirmed on Tuesday. It involves a single line tunnel from Old Oak Common to the North London Line and then using that. I would build a higher capacity link, but there is a link in the plans.
"The rocket ship trains use vast amounts of energy compared to normal trains."
http://www.yestohs2.co.uk/myths.htm gives insight into this:
"Myth: “400kph trains use 3 times the power that 200kph trains do”
"Fact: No basis has yet been given for this argument other than a basic interpretation of GSCE physics. However work carried out by ATOC on energy modelling for various train types shows that the new Alstom AGV travelling at 300km/h uses exactly the same amount of energy per seat as a UK Pendolino travelling at only 200km/h (2). When travelling at 360km/h an AGV will be using less energy than current EuroStar trains travelling at 300km/h (3). The line may be designed to accommodate speeds of up to 400km/h in the future, however the operational speed of the line upon opening will be 360km/h. "
The AGV is the reference train used in the design of HS2. I would like to see figures for the superb German ICE-3 trains, which will be running to London in a few years, but can't be bothered to look the data up.
Pendolino trains are not called overweight lardbutts for nothing, the design is wasteful of energy for what it is. Eurostars are essentially French TGVs from decades ago. I take it you are also campaigning against them because of their energy use? If not why campaign against trains using HS2 which are likely to have a similar energy consumption despite higher speeds. Real world engineering is a little more complicated than GCSE physics and it also moves on steadily.
"Removal of High Speed trains from the West Coast Main Line to be replaced with the new rocket ship trains will release train paths for freight and conventional services."
You think this is a problem? It is the reason for building HS2.
"destroy an area of outstanding natural beauty " and "Huge areas of land will be dissect, concreted and industrialised."
Hyperbole. We're talking about a two track railway, using ballast rather than slab track. Take a look at HS1 and it's plain to see that you are both exaggerating.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trainspots/5842294962/ see how narrow the railway is compared to the road.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/justindperkins/2684464873/ the chalk slopes there were left bare to be colonised by local species, which has happened and they are less stark than they were originally.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jelltecks/4374021690/ despite the railway being closer to the camera look at how little impact it has compared to the road. The low railway impact can be seen to continue up to the tunnel mouth, while the road marches up the hill with huge visual impact.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/angus-willson/2737965201/ see how the landscape is much larger than train and railway line.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/angus-willson/3525502907/ high speed line and old line compared. Neither is a huge impact.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/angus-willson/2796706231/ observe the width of the road and rail bridges in the distance.
There is already a road and railway where HS2 will run through the Chilterns.
To minimise the impact of the new line, from Old Oak Common to past the Chilterns HS2 will follow the GW, GW/GC Joint and GC lines as much as possible. They have done as much as reasonably practical to minimise the impact of the line.
A N Other
Some voices of reason
12.01.2012 17:33
Both are detailed, so don't read them if you are superficial and have the attention span of a gnat, but they cover many points well.
If we had not squandered so much money on roads during Thatcher's time then several high speed lines would have been running for decades by now. They would have cost a lot less than HS2 too. Instead of well funded NIMBYs putting up all sorts of false arguments to try and cover the fact that they are NIMBYs the media would be full of people demanding their high speed line.
In France the second stage of the high speed line to Strasbourg has been announced, as has a line going down the west of France to Bordeaux, both having been demanded for ages (though there are opponents of the first one as it is fairly expensive due to the hills). The mayors of towns in France now fight to have high speed lines run through their patch. It wasn't always so, the mayor of Lille was thought mad for fighting to have the high speed line run not just past but through the city itself, there was an old military site which was ideal for the route. But now anyone who has seen the superb Lille Europe station, five minutes walk from Lille Flandres and the city centre will see how right the campaign was. If you ever want to go south of Paris take The Man in Seat 61's advice http://www.seat61.com/France.htm#London%20to%20Nice%20by%20train and change here if possible. It's a lot less hassle than Paris.
Not everything is sensible in France. The mayors of Amiens and Saint-Quentin couldn't agree, so in the end SNCF shrugged their shoulders and located Gare TGV Haute-Picardie in beetroot, or sugar beet (it depends on translation), fields halfway between both places. I have only been on a train which stopped there once, few people got on or off. Videos show that it is a good place to watch trains passing at speed though, trains from Paris and south of Paris to London, Lille, Brussels and Amsterdam, but that hardly justifies the location.
A N Other
French objections to TGV expansion
12.01.2012 18:26
Late last year in an unofficial referendum held in eight communes in the Basque area of the Pyrénées-Atlantiques, over 90% voted against the proposed new line between Bordeaux and Spain, while in Nérac in the Lot et Garonne around 4000 people took part in a protest against a proposed link between Bordeaux and Toulouse.
The government is similarly in difficulty with creation of a new high speed rail link between Tours and Bordeaux (where a mediator has been appointed, although preliminary works have started), and a proposed line between Marseille and Nice has been stalled for over a decade because of protests and disagreement about the route. While the proposed new routes are separate projects, the protest groups across the country have now joined forces, with an internet petition against the development of the high speed rail system in France.
In 2008 the government announced that it intended to double the existing high speed network to around 4000 kilometres by 2020. Despite the frequent praise received about the high speed rail system in France, most of it actually runs on conventional rail lines, so is rarely able to achieve the much publicised 320km/h plus speeds of which the TGV trains are capable.
However, one of the principal objections of the protesters to these schemes is that, in reality, the new lines do little to reduce travel times between their main destinations. In part this is because of the introduction of intermediate stops en route, or that for safety or other technical reasons the trains are unable to travel at their maximum speeds.
The French Green Party has called the TGV expansion "a disgrace" and "a waste of public money". TGV power lines are manufactured in three factories which are located in Departments that are vital to any Presidential victory, as usual this is more to do with power than anything else.
Minky
fruitless
12.01.2012 20:42
You may not want the train, but i don't want to not be able to travel and have to live on a Vegan farm. I follow the Paleo diet which is basically a lot of meat and seafood.
I like travelling and seeing the country and the world.
I do a lot of climbing and diving, so need to travel at the weekend to get to a lake or a mountain.
Sorry, but the idea that I'm just going to sit on a Vegan farm and only "travel in emergencies" depresses me.
And whats the point? We could all do that, but in China/Brazil/India and other emerging countries they will just buy all the oil that we don't use and burn it anyway because it is now cheaper that we arnt buying it. Plus they will do it on a larger scale than us.
marko
Domestic Flights
13.01.2012 02:02
I read that there are no flights between London and Birmingham anyway so there is no problem to address there. Current flights shown on this website appear to confirm no London-Birmingham flights ( http://www.flightmapping.com/maps/uk-ireland).
So with no environmental benefit (and actually detrimental), all the project will achieve is probably a slightly shorter journey time cutting out a couple of hours travel time. That's not a big deal.
Plainly environmentalist
status symbol
15.01.2012 10:57
It is sad that there are so many towns in uk with no rail access.
small scale cheap and relatively clean trains could be RE introduced and old lines that have been closed for 50 years could easily be reopened.
It is stupid to argue that hs2 is somehow environmentally friendly.
It is not, its a rocket train ffs! It is a status symbol pure and simple, and this hs2 project is destined to be as financially disasterous as the channel tunnel was (and is).
The solution to uks transport problem is to make it easier and cheaper for people to abandon their cars. Cheap and cheerful local trains could be a crucial part of that.
Sadly the government and their buddies in the construction industry have no interest in saving the environment (they think its a joke) and are keen to press on ahead with this utterly ridiculous and totally unnecessary prestige statement.
The fact that it passes close to toff inhabited areas, and that some of them are making a nimby fuss about it, is of small concern. Its not their island afterall, its all of ours to share. Soon, when the people realise their collective power, we will liberate these palaces from the toffs, and make better use of them and begin to heal the wounds that the ruling class have inflicted upon this once beautiful forest island.
fat controller
@marko
15.01.2012 11:19
when you go climbing do you climb in the paleo way i.e. no rope and only a bear skin for warmth?
It sounds like you are doing the paleo diet as a trendy fashion, how long has it been now? 2 weeks? Where do you get your paleo food from, do you hunt for it yourself or are tesco doing a paleo range now?
besides sounding like a fool, you failed to understand or address the issue being discussed here.
There is no difficulty getting from london to birmingham by train, so hs2 will not change anything there.
all it will do is put a big scar through the landscape, including through some precious woodlands (of which we don't have many left) so that rich fools can get from london to birmingham more quickly. Big deal.
The cost both financial and environmental are completely unacceptable.
Being against hs2 does not mean you want to sit around on a vegan farm and only travel in emergencies. I am not a vegan, and I like travelling too, but I dont think that getting from london to birmingham at 250 mph is my god given right. I plan each journey carefully and try to take all factors into consideration, from cost to timing to environmental impact.
All that thinking gives my brain plenty of exercise, and enables me to engage in discussions about things without sounding like an idiot (which is what marko sounds like to me).
dd
Has anyone mentioned slow not fast
15.01.2012 22:57
While we can see the benefit of rail over road or flight at this time in the development of capitalism it doesn't mean we need an expansion of it. What we need is local communities deciding how they would like to organise transport within, through and to the community.
Who knows they might decide to close parts of the current high speed road and rail networks capitalism currently demands.
Slowcoach
This will make us look so stupid
16.01.2012 09:44
I think some people just like objecting and protesting regardless of the facts or the cause.
Not joining this campaign
not as green as I am
18.01.2012 19:40
It seems to me that this project is about forcing society to pay construction industry corporations, to facilitate the daily habits of city commuters; capitalists from the capital capitalising on provincial land. It's now widely accepted that capitalism is a cause of environmental destruction as well as social stratification.
It's not a Tory/Labour/libdem thing. It's not about infringing one anyones right to travel. It's about societies, especially rich societies, dependence on increased speed. If any one can convince me that any air port or motorway will become redundent as a result of this "public transport" development I'll support it too. Until then I'll risk looking stupid!
cabbage looking
A Nursery Rhyme for our Politicians by Peter Baxter
02.11.2013 07:13
The HS2 runs down the track and she blew
The HS2 runs down the track and she blew
The HS2 runs down the track blowing seventy billion and that’s a fact
And she blew blew blew blew.
The conductor said we are going down a tunnel and she blew
The conductor said we are going down a tunnel and she blew
The conductor said lets go down a tunnel and pound notes blew out the funnel
And she blew blew blew blew
The engineer laughed and rang his bell and she blew
The engineer laughed and rang his bell and she blew
The engineer laughed and rang his bell taking them all straight to hell
And she blew blew blew blew
Their children are all weeping now and she blew
Their children are all weeping now and she blew
The children all say they feel ill because they have to pay the bill
And she blew blew blew blew
Some good news to end my song and she blew
Some good news to end my song and she blew
Some good news to end my song they had taken the coalition along
And she blew blew blew blew
Peter Baxter
e-mail: petebaxt@googlemail.com