Three more jailed for Facebook comments on UK summer riots
Steve James | 17.12.2011 21:36 | August Riots | Policing | Repression | Technology
Two teenagers from Dundee, Scotland, and a 22-year-old man from Kidderminster, Worcestershire, in England, were imprisoned for years for statements posted on the social media site Facebook at the time of riots in English cities last summer.
Shawn Divin, 16, and Jordan McGinley, 19, were both arrested in August. The pair, along with two other teenagers from Dundee, had posted to a Facebook event page, “Riot in the Toon,” of which they were administrators. Danny Cook from Kidderminster created his own page, “Letz Start a Riot”.
Divin and McGinley’s page, which appears to have consisted largely of Internet banter, was actually set up by a 14-year-old who is also facing legal action. The page proposed people gather in Dundee city centre, Wednesday, August 17, between 7 p.m. and 10 p.m. A much-quoted comment by Divin, but deprived of all context, stated, “Only join if yir actually gonna come. If any has guns bring them down to this. Kill some f**king daftys”.
A journalist drew the page to the attention of an inquiry team set up by Tayside Police to prepare for possible rioting in Dundee.
The teenagers’ homes were raided August 11; they were both arrested and their laptops seized. Both immediately admitted the postings, but denied that the page amounted to a serious attempt to incite a riot. Both said the page was, according to Divin, “a joke that got a bit serious” and, according to McGinley, “only meant to be a joke”.
Following their arrest, another teenager, Liam Allen, also from Dundee, and the 14-year-old were barred from accessing the Internet, charged with breach of the peace and inciting a riot. Divin and McGinley were locked up on remand until their recent hearing.
In court, both pled guilty to breach of the peace.
Lawyers for both reiterated there was no intention to start a riot. Paul Parker Smith for McGinley told Sheriff Elizabeth Munro that his young client “has taken the trouble of writing to your ladyship and wants to apologise to all the people he may have alarmed”.
Divin’s lawyer James Laverty told the court that Divin’s actions were “more a case of gross stupidity than any intention…to become involved in widescale disorder.”
The teenagers’ admissions of guilt, their regrets and apologies, their youth and inexperience, the facts that the page was viewed as a joke, that no riot took place anywhere near Dundee, were all held to no account by Sheriff Munro.
Instead, in a politically motivated sentence, Munro jailed McGinley for three years. Givin was handed four years and three months. Munro even claimed, “This is one of the worst breaches of the peace that I have ever had to deal with.”
Danny Cook’s page was only available to his 44 friends, and was taken down after 30 minutes, following instructions from his father. He apparently wrote a poem, “Riots are going on from Birmingham to London, I don’t want to stand back, I want to join in.” But neither he nor any of the 44 friends were actually involved in any disturbance whatsoever.
Jailing Cook for 30 months, Mr. Justice Butterfield insisted that severe sentences were necessary to protect the public and provide punishment and deterrent.
One of Cook’s Facebook friends was Johnny Melfah, a 16-year-old apprentice bricklayer, who had his legal right to anonymity lifted by magistrates. Melfah was arrested and named for commenting on Cook’s group, “anyone wanna riot in Droitwich and Worcester?”
Melfah was sentenced to 80 hours community service, electronically tagged for three months and subject to a one-year youth rehabilitation order.
Butterfield’s and Munro’s comments echoed those of Judge Elgan Edwards when jailing Jordan Blackshaw, 20, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, in August. Blackshaw and Sutcliffe-Keenan were jailed for setting up Facebook event pages calling for riots in the towns of Northwich Town and Warrington, in England.
No riots took place in either town. Sutcliffe-Keenan reportedly created his page while drunk and deleted it the next morning. Nonetheless, Judge Edwards insisted the pages were “an evil act,” which happened “at a time when collective insanity gripped the nation.”
Blackshaw and Sutcliffe-Keenan were each jailed for four years. Appeals against the conviction heard in October were rejected because their offences took place during “sustained countrywide mayhem.”
Other cases follow a similar pattern. Ahmed Pelle, 18, from Nottingham, was jailed in August for 33 months for commenting on his own Facebook wall. Pelle posted three messages August 9. One stated, “Kill one black youth, we kill a million Fedz.” Another referred to Mark Duggan, whose death from police bullets triggered the riots. Pelle’s comments were interpreted in the courts and media as incitement.
In the only Facebook case to go before a jury so far, Hollie Bentley, 19, from Wakefield, walked free after creating a Facebook event, “Wakey Riot”.
Bentley denied encouraging violent disorder and insisted, like the others, that her page was a joke. She had initially been told by magistrates that her page was “potentially a very serious offence”. Had the pregnant teenager pled guilty, she too would be facing a lengthy prison sentence.
In the event, the trial judge, faced with police evidence that Bentley clearly considered the page to be a joke, instructed Bentley to be found not guilty.
The Facebook cases stand alongside the more than 4,000 young people arrested in the aftermath of the riots. Many were charged, and hundreds have already been convicted and are beginning lengthy sentences. These include Anderson Fernandes, 21, who was jailed for 16 months for taking one lick from a stolen ice cream, which he then gave to a passerby. Callum Marley, 20, was jailed for the same period despite stealing nothing at all. Marley merely wandered in and out of an empty shop.
Speaking outside Dundee Sheriff Court, Shaun Divin’s grandfather, John, noted the class character of the judgement by contrasting the treatment of his grandson to that of Jeremy Clarkson, a right-wing TV pundit and motoring correspondent.
Clarkson recently commented, on BBC TV, to an audience of millions, of striking public sector workers, “I’d have them all shot.… I would take them outside and execute them in front of their families. I mean how dare they go on strike when they’ve got these gilt-edged pensions that are going to be guaranteed while the rest of us have to work for a living?”
Clarkson, a wealthy broadcaster with decades of experience, was quickly defended by his dining companion, Prime Minister David Cameron. He considered Clarkson’s fascistic rants as merely “a silly thing to say”. The director general of the BBC, Mark Thompson, claimed that Clarkson was merely being flippant, while BBC chairman Lord Patten defended Clarkson as a leading “cultural export”.
Divin and McGinley’s page, which appears to have consisted largely of Internet banter, was actually set up by a 14-year-old who is also facing legal action. The page proposed people gather in Dundee city centre, Wednesday, August 17, between 7 p.m. and 10 p.m. A much-quoted comment by Divin, but deprived of all context, stated, “Only join if yir actually gonna come. If any has guns bring them down to this. Kill some f**king daftys”.
A journalist drew the page to the attention of an inquiry team set up by Tayside Police to prepare for possible rioting in Dundee.
The teenagers’ homes were raided August 11; they were both arrested and their laptops seized. Both immediately admitted the postings, but denied that the page amounted to a serious attempt to incite a riot. Both said the page was, according to Divin, “a joke that got a bit serious” and, according to McGinley, “only meant to be a joke”.
Following their arrest, another teenager, Liam Allen, also from Dundee, and the 14-year-old were barred from accessing the Internet, charged with breach of the peace and inciting a riot. Divin and McGinley were locked up on remand until their recent hearing.
In court, both pled guilty to breach of the peace.
Lawyers for both reiterated there was no intention to start a riot. Paul Parker Smith for McGinley told Sheriff Elizabeth Munro that his young client “has taken the trouble of writing to your ladyship and wants to apologise to all the people he may have alarmed”.
Divin’s lawyer James Laverty told the court that Divin’s actions were “more a case of gross stupidity than any intention…to become involved in widescale disorder.”
The teenagers’ admissions of guilt, their regrets and apologies, their youth and inexperience, the facts that the page was viewed as a joke, that no riot took place anywhere near Dundee, were all held to no account by Sheriff Munro.
Instead, in a politically motivated sentence, Munro jailed McGinley for three years. Givin was handed four years and three months. Munro even claimed, “This is one of the worst breaches of the peace that I have ever had to deal with.”
Danny Cook’s page was only available to his 44 friends, and was taken down after 30 minutes, following instructions from his father. He apparently wrote a poem, “Riots are going on from Birmingham to London, I don’t want to stand back, I want to join in.” But neither he nor any of the 44 friends were actually involved in any disturbance whatsoever.
Jailing Cook for 30 months, Mr. Justice Butterfield insisted that severe sentences were necessary to protect the public and provide punishment and deterrent.
One of Cook’s Facebook friends was Johnny Melfah, a 16-year-old apprentice bricklayer, who had his legal right to anonymity lifted by magistrates. Melfah was arrested and named for commenting on Cook’s group, “anyone wanna riot in Droitwich and Worcester?”
Melfah was sentenced to 80 hours community service, electronically tagged for three months and subject to a one-year youth rehabilitation order.
Butterfield’s and Munro’s comments echoed those of Judge Elgan Edwards when jailing Jordan Blackshaw, 20, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, in August. Blackshaw and Sutcliffe-Keenan were jailed for setting up Facebook event pages calling for riots in the towns of Northwich Town and Warrington, in England.
No riots took place in either town. Sutcliffe-Keenan reportedly created his page while drunk and deleted it the next morning. Nonetheless, Judge Edwards insisted the pages were “an evil act,” which happened “at a time when collective insanity gripped the nation.”
Blackshaw and Sutcliffe-Keenan were each jailed for four years. Appeals against the conviction heard in October were rejected because their offences took place during “sustained countrywide mayhem.”
Other cases follow a similar pattern. Ahmed Pelle, 18, from Nottingham, was jailed in August for 33 months for commenting on his own Facebook wall. Pelle posted three messages August 9. One stated, “Kill one black youth, we kill a million Fedz.” Another referred to Mark Duggan, whose death from police bullets triggered the riots. Pelle’s comments were interpreted in the courts and media as incitement.
In the only Facebook case to go before a jury so far, Hollie Bentley, 19, from Wakefield, walked free after creating a Facebook event, “Wakey Riot”.
Bentley denied encouraging violent disorder and insisted, like the others, that her page was a joke. She had initially been told by magistrates that her page was “potentially a very serious offence”. Had the pregnant teenager pled guilty, she too would be facing a lengthy prison sentence.
In the event, the trial judge, faced with police evidence that Bentley clearly considered the page to be a joke, instructed Bentley to be found not guilty.
The Facebook cases stand alongside the more than 4,000 young people arrested in the aftermath of the riots. Many were charged, and hundreds have already been convicted and are beginning lengthy sentences. These include Anderson Fernandes, 21, who was jailed for 16 months for taking one lick from a stolen ice cream, which he then gave to a passerby. Callum Marley, 20, was jailed for the same period despite stealing nothing at all. Marley merely wandered in and out of an empty shop.
Speaking outside Dundee Sheriff Court, Shaun Divin’s grandfather, John, noted the class character of the judgement by contrasting the treatment of his grandson to that of Jeremy Clarkson, a right-wing TV pundit and motoring correspondent.
Clarkson recently commented, on BBC TV, to an audience of millions, of striking public sector workers, “I’d have them all shot.… I would take them outside and execute them in front of their families. I mean how dare they go on strike when they’ve got these gilt-edged pensions that are going to be guaranteed while the rest of us have to work for a living?”
Clarkson, a wealthy broadcaster with decades of experience, was quickly defended by his dining companion, Prime Minister David Cameron. He considered Clarkson’s fascistic rants as merely “a silly thing to say”. The director general of the BBC, Mark Thompson, claimed that Clarkson was merely being flippant, while BBC chairman Lord Patten defended Clarkson as a leading “cultural export”.
Steve James
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Very telling
18.12.2011 01:42
It's very telling that the only case to be heard by a jury resulted in an acquittal. I wonder how the other cases would have turned out had they been heard before a jury..?
Samira
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now hold on a minute
18.12.2011 00:24
In contrast, the riots were not fiction, they were real and real people were getting injured and killed.
If.... public sector workers were getting killed from being shot, then yes Clarkson would probably have been done for incitement. But that wasnt the case. There was absolutely no plausible reason to believe that clarkson meant what he said.
The facebook commentators were agreeing and inciting based upon real events that were happening.
Fuck it - people died.... its serious shit. An incentive for other people not to do the same needs to be in place to stop further people getting killed.
To do nothing and have no punishment would amount to knowingly killing further people in the future through negligence. This means that you, by your views, would be supporting the death of more innocent people.
josey wales
thinking like a cop
18.12.2011 02:39
These were people fantasising in the comfort of their bedrooms.
The real issue is the way that people are excluded to the point where they no longer give a shit.
Wales Josey
the real issue is some people are bad apples
18.12.2011 11:13
People steal, rob and killed before the riots, during the riots and after the riots. Its not a new thing - its been around for 1000s of years. Blaming 'modern society' is a load of rubbish. In fact, on the whole, there is less killing and rioting that most periods of history.
No matter how 'excluded' as I was, I can never imagine myself killing someone by ramming them with a car or kicking a old man to death on the floor. Especially, considering all they were after were some cigarettes and a pair of shiny new trainers - things you can easily live without.
Claiming these facebook riot organisers 'did nothing wrong' is like claiming Hitler did nothing wrong when he started stirring up shit at the working men's clubs with his speeches. And look where that led.
No longer give a shit?...Perhaps the best way of getting them to give a shit is a good spell in prison?
Josey Wales
(laughingly pretending to be an outlaw....)
18.12.2011 11:23
Josey Wales said:
"Claiming these facebook riot organisers 'did nothing wrong' is like claiming Hitler did nothing wrong when he started stirring up shit at the working men's clubs with his speeches."
Yeah cos the drunken thoughts of a man on some facebook page are just like Hitler! Evil operates in the bedrooms of drunks, and not the corridors of power in the fucked up world of Josey Wales
333 deaths in custody and not one conviction Josey! Wheres the outcry?
cop a load of that shit
Hoodies and trainers init
18.12.2011 11:51
Yes, cause & effect -> due to the police doing an outstanding job in preventing them.
>> Sutcliffe-Keenan reportedly created his page while drunk and deleted it the next morning.
Probably bit late next morning, the riots were pretty much under control by then. He probably shit himself when he saw something on the news about incitement on social media and was worried about getting caught.
>> Nonetheless, Judge Edwards insisted the pages were “an evil act,” which happened “at a time when collective insanity gripped the nation.”
Well they were certainly not a "saintly act".
>> Yeah cos the drunken thoughts of a man on some facebook page are just like Hitler! Evil operates in the bedrooms of drunks, and not the corridors of power in the fucked up world of Josey Wales
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.... its clearly available on the internet for all to see.
Hitler didn't start out in the corridors of power. He basically started out as a shit stirrer. One wonders how things would of been different if a judge had collared him about his "evil act"
As matter of perspective -what kind of punishment do you think he 'should' of got?
Josey Wales
masterful
18.12.2011 12:05
And your point is?
You can say that about ANYTHING! 642 people died of falls.....X number of people have died at work, at school, on the bus, in hospitals, walking down the street, in the supermarket, in their homes....... i dont see your point - at all? People die EVERYWHERE!
Pick anything in the world at all, and people will have died whilst doing it.
Josey Wales
Josey
18.12.2011 14:01
acab
acab
18.12.2011 14:34
Ho would of you rehabilitated him or would you just let him get on with things?
Josey Wales
ideas on sentencing
18.12.2011 17:13
But, I'd probably make him do community work with responsible people instead of prison
Some really shit job and then televise it so the next set of facebookers think twice in the future about following the law
I certainly wouldn't let them off scott free
Joe
judges
19.12.2011 09:21
judges
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