Dusty & Dylan Go Fur-Free

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Not true

23.11.2011 09:53

I have made no such statement.

This Email is a fabrication.

We are pleased and proud to offer a wide range of vintage fur and will continue to do so.

This extremist animal rights group knows full well their campaign has resulted in a lot of free publicity for us and an increase in sales of our vintage fur range. We will not be bullied by their tactics of abusing young female staff members.

Dusty & Dylan
No.9 Otley Road
Headingley
Leeds
LS6 3AA
Tel: 0113 2783136
Email:

info@dustyanddylan.com

Helen Adderley
mail e-mail: info@dustyanddylan.com
Homepage: www.dustyanddylan.com

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Some further background to this

23.11.2011 11:06

It seems this may have been a campaign that backfired on whoever was running it. It started with the usual letter writing, emails and phone calls to the business however they ignored all of that and so somebody decided to 'up the ante'.

This new focus involved direct confrontation with some of the young women who work for the company and in two cases following them home while shouting abuse. The police got involved as did a local woman's group who engineered a confrontation with the AR organisation involved to challenge them with regard to the verbal assaults on these young women. There was publicity in the local paper as well as an the Students Union in Leeds University, the result of this was that a number of people made a point of shopping at the company in solidarity with the abused women.

For some bizarre reason the AR group is now claiming they have won which presumably is some sort of face saving exercise however the whole thing is a valuable lesson in choosing tactics when planning a campaign and raises the question of whether a young woman working in a shop that sells a very small amount of vintage fur is a legitimate target for abuse and scare tactics, in my view she is not.

Leeds lass

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Disinformation

23.11.2011 11:10

NARN received no such email from this animal abuser company. We had been running a campaign against them but have now ceased to enable us to focus on other targets. We have not received information that they have ceased selling fur.

NARN
mail e-mail: northernarn@yahoo.co.uk

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Legitimate targets

23.11.2011 12:11

All targets are legitimate in the fight for animal rights.

These women chose to work in a shop that sells dead animal skins therefore they deserve no sympathy or support only vilification. So what if they got shouted at and felt a bit scared imagine how terrified the animals were that were trapped, shot and skinned. These women could choose to work elsewhere the animals had no choice.

The fight for animal rights is absolute, there are no innocent bystanders or unconnected parties.

Until all are free
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Violence is still violence despite the justification you use.

23.11.2011 12:52

We became involved in this matter as a result of a woman who works at the store and was already in contact with us on an unrelated matter. Leeds Women's Aid was founded in 1972 by a group of feminist activists who were concerned about the lack of services to protect women experiencing violence. Since then we have grown to become one of the biggest Women's Aid projects in the UK. We work closely with other Women's Aid projects across the UK. This means that if women need help and recognise that they need to leave Leeds to be safe, we can find them a space in a women's refuge in another part of the UK.

We are a women's organisation, run by women for women. Our aim is to protect women from the damage that violence can inflict on their lives. We believe that women have the right to live their lives free from violence and fear. This campaign of intimidation and abuse clearly fell into the category of violence and as such we mobalised to protect the woman involved. Although we are sympathetic to the broad aims of NARN and are supportive of animal rights in general terms we do not believe that verbal violence and physical intimidation against women is the way to achieve those aims. At least one member of the NARN team is known for having issues around woman of high self confidence and that was illustrated during the confrontation we set up.

We are confident our intervention has ensured there will be no repeat of the violence.

Leeds Women's Aid
mail e-mail: administration@leedswomensaid.org.uk
Homepage: www.leedswomensaid.org.uk

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Jobs in leads

23.11.2011 12:55

The poster above claimed that "These women could choose to work elsewhere ' clearly someone who is not in touch with the job situation in Leeds and Yorkshire right now. These woman may not have had much liking for selling fur but they are probably grateful to be in work right now. Some people need to get their priorities straight.

Job seeker

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Very polite

23.11.2011 13:22

I just loved the phrase,

"At least one member of the NARN team is known for having issues around woman of high self confidence."

Do you mean Luke gets upset when women don't do what he wants ?

Still laughing

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Priorities ?

23.11.2011 13:29

%% Some people need to get their priorities straight. %%

Yes they do, our priorities are the animals who have had their skins ripped from their backs. The feelings of a couple of animal abusing women are not important compared to that.

Until all are free
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Get a grip there SHAC person

23.11.2011 14:11

I think calling a couple of teenage shop assistants who are flogging some 50 year old fur coats "animal abusers" is a bit fly ! From reading the above it sounds as though you crossed the line and got called on it.

Big up to Leeds Women's Aid - they clearly rocked you !!!!!!

Ska fan

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@ still laughing

23.11.2011 14:33

Good guess :-)

NARN is Luke's new money making venture and he hates others especially women telling him what to do.

Lauren

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What a triangle

23.11.2011 15:36

A shop that sells fur, an extreme animal rights group and a militant woman's organisation. Am I the only one who thinks we are one step away from a 'Carry On' film ?

Oo matron !

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The tactics were legal

23.11.2011 16:18

We reject any suggestion that the tactics used here were illegal. All our campaigning is within the law. There may well be some confusion about them still selling fur, that is still under investigation however that is a distraction from what we did.

People who sell fur either for themselves or others can expect to have conversations with us. Although we respect the work done by Women's Aid of Leeds this campaign was really none of their business and unless they were coming down to support us should have kept away.

NARN
mail e-mail: northernarn@yahoo.co.uk
Homepage: www.northernarn.wordpress.com

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Well done Leeds Women's Aid

23.11.2011 16:45

The animal rights movement has always been spoiled by a minority who resort to violent means, it gives the rest of the movement a bad name and compromises our stated aims of equality for all both human and non-human. It is one struggle and one fight, we must fight for everyone's rights or none at all. By resorting to extreme methods and abusing humans NARN you are spitting in the face of the movement and setting us back years! In suffering we are all equal, following women and abusing them is just as bad as a fur farmer abusing animals.

Well done Leeds Women's Aid for taking on the extreme minority and putting them right! Hopefully we wont see a repeat of this and we can all move forward as one towards a progressive future for all be they human or non-human.

I am glad the situation has been settled peacefully, and hope other feminists haven't been put off embracing a progressive vegan lifestyle due to what has occurred.

Vegan feminist

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@ Vegan Feminist

23.11.2011 17:16

The last thing the animal rights movement needs is your 'everyone is equal' brand of passive do nothing. We are in a fight to liberate millions of animals who are living and dying in agony. They are no less than the modern day slaves who were stolen from Afrika. Would you regard the women who worked for a slave trader as innocent ?

So they got a bit scared on their way home, tough. I hope they thought about how those animals must have been scared when they were being led into the slaughter house.

NARN
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To NARN

23.11.2011 19:10

The last thing the animal rights movement needs is your brand of lets attack everyone and make the movement into a societal pariah.

Drop the bravado. The fact of the matter is that you made the wrong call. You thought you could get away with harassment and stalking people, you were wrong. And now you're trying to save face because you realise people are reacting with revulsion at your tactics. For years to come NARN will be remembered as that creepy group that stalks women, you dug your own grave when you carried out that course of action. You were wrong and everyone knows it. You were called up on it and now you're embarrassed because someone dared to challenge you for violating the rights of others. Ironically this makes you the same as someone who owns a fur farm, you think violating rights is an acceptable course of action. In the same way a fur farmer thinks violating an animal to generate profit is acceptable, you think violating women is acceptable to generate a profitable outcome for your aims.

As a feminist I cannot support targeting women and making them afraid to walk the streets, it is a revolting tactic, women are already afraid enough as it is to walk the streets without your idiocy making the situation even worse. Yes they may work for a company that sells fur however that does not give you a right to violate them, to terrify them, to make them afraid of the city they live in. Two wrong do not make a right. You won't end the exploitation of animals by following women and targeting them in a predatory manner. That is the behaviour of chauvinists and rapists, not the behaviour of those that wish to fight for the rights of others.

It is clear you haven't learned anything, and it is clear you suffer from chauvinistic supremacy and fascist tendencies. As a feminist so long as you continue with your tactics of targeting vulnerable women I and other feminists around the country will support Leeds Women's Aid in calling you out until such a time you realise you are wrong.

Vegan feminist

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The real NARN?

23.11.2011 19:16

Is this an imposter posting comments? So far every time they post they include www.northernarn.wordpress.com

Yet that link is broken and not the correct one. The correct link is:

http://northernar.wordpress.com/

Surely they'd be able to get their own web address correct?

Imposter detector

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Troll central!

23.11.2011 22:00

It is sickening that a few people still want to buy and sell fur, in this day and age, but there is a huge amount of trolling going on here. Are there any plans at Indymedia to sort out this problem?

anon

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Help ?

24.11.2011 07:13

"Are there any plans at Indymedia to sort out this problem?"

Do you have any plans to join the collective and help ?

IMCister

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re Help (hidden comment)

24.11.2011 12:44

>> Are there any plans at Indymedia to sort out this problem? [trolling]

> Do you have any plans to join the collective and help ?

If there are plans underway then no, I wouldn't want to butt in on what someone else is already doing.

If there are no plans, then possibly - how would I go about helping? Do you accept anonymous help or do you need to know someone's real identity first? Are technical changes to Indymedia easy to push through or is there loads of bureaucratic red tape to go through before things will be accepted?

anon

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re: help

24.11.2011 13:10

"If there are plans underway then no, I wouldn't want to butt in on what someone else is already doing."

There are no plans underway, other than a decision to rewrite the editorial guidelines at some point.

"If there are no plans, then possibly - how would I go about helping? Do you accept anonymous help or do you need to know someone's real identity first?"

For fairly obvious reasons, we cannot just hand out admin access to people we don't know anything about. The easiest way to get involved is to join the lists, and attend meetings.

"Are technical changes to Indymedia easy to push through or is there loads of bureaucratic red tape to go through before things will be accepted?"

The biggest single barrier to quick technological fixes is imo the Mir CMS, followed by a shortage of techs. The Indymedia uk site is run through consensus decision making.

IMCista

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Not all targets are legitimate

23.12.2011 12:33

Legitimate targets

23.11.2011 12:11
All targets are legitimate in the fight for animal rights.

These women chose to work in a shop that sells dead animal skins therefore they deserve no sympathy or support only vilification. So what if they got shouted at and felt a bit scared imagine how terrified the animals were that were trapped, shot and skinned. These women could choose to work elsewhere the animals had no choice.

The fight for animal rights is absolute, there are no innocent bystanders or unconnected parties.

"All targets are legitimate".
Apart from making you sound like George Bush or Barak Obama, an awful lot of people holding that view were hanged by the war crimes tribunals at Nuremburg and Singapore.

The logic, applied without limit of time, in your comment would also make animal abusers of fossil collectors. Presumably, NARN will turn up near the cliffs around Lymme Regis and start screaming abuse at young palentologists.

Medawar