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N9 Undercover Cops - More Photos, New Faces

Interplod | 15.11.2011 12:27 | Occupy Everywhere | Policing | Public sector cuts | Repression

[Removed 16 images on which Declan Hunter claims copyright, demanding $35 per image licensing fee -  http://flic.kr/s/aHsjwHa2ur]

Following the photos and videos that appeared on You Tube, Indymedia and Fitwatch etc of undercover cops attacking Nov 9 students and electricians protests down in London, here's a new set;

Following on from the photos and videos that appeared on You Tube, Indymedia and Fitwatch etc of undercover cops attacking Nov 9 students and electricians protests down in London, here's a new set, showing the secret police team disembarking their transport before attacking demonstrators. The photos are shown here in order of interest, instead of chronologically, but, before piling-in, initially the police wore yellow baseball caps (the yellow caps are similar to the blue caps worn by the TSG, the paramilitary police, but a Google search quickly reveals police web chat which suggests the yellow caps are standard issue for undercover cops).

The first 7 photos show a previously un-noticed female undercover (in blue jeans) - first shot from behind and wearing a baseball yellow cap, then without her cap and turning round to show her face to camera. Most of the other police here are the "usual suspects" familiar from existing threads, but the guy in photo 3 (and other photos) - with the short hair, beard and moustache - seems to be being cuffed and nicked in photo 8, so he's almost certainly NOT a cop. Photo 5 is interesting as in the centre of the picture is the cop of middle-eastern or Asian appearance (bearded, stripes on arm) who was involved in the police attack in Soho Square (see links).

Photo 9 is a good visual on the thug in a dark blue hoodie. Photo 10 shows a cop in typical black-bloc camo. Photo 11 is a good visual on a cop in a red kagool, who was shown from behind only in the first spotter-card that posted on the net. Photo 12 is a group shot, showing many familiar faces, including the cop with the protestor-chic Palestinian scarf who's been seen in other photos. Photos 13 and 14 are the best shots of cops in the dark blue hood (kneeling) and grey-blue jacket (on the mobile). Photos 15 and 16 show an undercover cop holding a "Unite and Fight" banner!

One lesson to learn from these shots is that if you see yellow caps ANYWHERE on a demo start filming and photographing them and alert other protestors to their presence immediately. Another point to note is that these cops seem to strike in the middle of a demo, not at the start.

 https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/11/488385.html?c=on#comments

 https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/11/488297.html?c=on#comments

Interplod

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this cop

15.11.2011 12:32

This cop used to be in the FIT team and TSG:

 http://publish.indymedia.org.uk/images/2011/11/488587.jpg

Especially brutal little (c)/runt

cop killer

WPC with dayglo lanyard

15.11.2011 12:40

The WPC in the 1st bunch of pix is wearing a whistle on a dayglo lanyard - so maybe she was going to join the demo as a 'protestor', so maybe she was there to act as a spotter, fingering the victims for the male cops to arrest? Either way, this woman's face needs to be reposted EVERYWHERE

Inspector Morse

Sweet music

15.11.2011 12:46

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgMfY_mtBnA

Sweetie

Police strangling protestor

15.11.2011 18:45

Undercover police strangling protestor at N9 demo
Undercover police strangling protestor at N9 demo

Photo - Police strangling protestor + more video of the undercovers at work

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QntZh4ISUoQ

Romford

The London Strangler

15.11.2011 22:43

The London Strangler
The London Strangler

And his evil friends
And his evil friends

More wankers
More wankers

And his stupid fucking evil friends

Danielle

More video of the Gestapo

15.11.2011 22:55

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loy6S43bsKw

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=032gOhpyLXg

Gnasher

TV Report

15.11.2011 23:04

About the agent provocateurs

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKxA-d1EGGE

Wellington

the twat in the hat

15.11.2011 23:59




3 of 'em

dr seuss

A message to the Undercover Police

16.11.2011 09:58

An aspect of the Mark Kennedy / Stone documentary that's worth stressing now is that Mark Kennedy impersonating someone in order to have sex with them (typical scenario would be a man pretending to be a drunk woman's boyfriend in order to exploit her in a dark room at a drunken party, or in this case Mark Kennedy pretending to be an activist in order to get sex from his then girlfriend) is RAPE, and therefore, as the TV programme openly said, Mark Kennedy's actions were "State sanctioned abuse". The State spent 2 million quid running Mark Kennedy and his handlers and not one criminal was convicted of any offense as a result, so, even within the terms-of-reference employed by people who hate the activist movement, this man's employment had nothing to do with law enforcement. Add to that the fact that the millions spend running Mark Kennedy are tax-payers' money that could have been spent.... JAILING RAPISTS

Harassing people with a social conscience is therefore more of a priority to the Police than..... JAILING RAPISTS, and it is people like YOU, in choosing to accept these assignments, who are as responsible for this abuse of public trust as any of your superiors

Uniformed cops beat and stamped-on Mark Kennedy so hard at Gleneagles that they very nearly broke his spine - the activist community rallied round and looked after him, but the only "support" his handlers gave him was to not chuck him jail - add to that he lost his wife, his kids and his job, and his face is now public knowledge world-wide as a completely untrustworthy person, so think VERY carefully about the life choices you're making now

Inspector Gadget

Youtube vid tribute

16.11.2011 17:18

Youtube tribute vid to all those in struggle with the pigs. See the filth at work in thier lines of duty to defend capital. New youtube 3 min tribute music and video to recent struggles in uk. Heavily anti-police in essence. Lines of Duty, a pot shot at the cops lined up to defend capital. Stay safe, cops kill. Fight the power. Video best listened to via headphones to get the dub style bassline formed by new synth duo Riot in London.
Find via youtube searchbar type in Riot in London- Lines of Duty

Riot in London

More female undercover

16.11.2011 20:39





More female undercover - to the right of the 1st pic

And another message to the police

Liam

NEW VIDEO

17.11.2011 22:12

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ5BM6NV1y8

Jan

Another photo

18.11.2011 20:13


Nothing startling, but it's always nice to collect the set

Paulo

Uniformed cops hiding ID numbers at N9

18.11.2011 21:17

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/11/488244.html?c=on

N9

Declan Hunter, Link to the originals, People in glass houses

21.11.2011 09:31

Well thanks alot to Declan Hunter for pulling these photos - but at least we have a link to the originals. Even if you do regard the faces of protestors and police as a commodity Declan, you COULD have taken this post as free advertising for your product and just provided the link, without insisting on removal of the images ;)

BTW Declan, do you have signed release forms from all the photographers and cops you photographed, proving that you have their written consent for the commercial exploitation of their likenesses? I thought not

Bayo

ALL THE PHOTOS ARE STILL AVAILABLE

21.11.2011 09:36

 http://tinyurl.com/6oyrhsp

Daylight Saving

Declan Hunter

21.11.2011 22:00

For the record,

I asked for the pictures to be removed and that was all. I never mentioned licensing them nor was i asked to licence them. The point was that the pictures posted were stolen. They were copied from the Flickr account, the EXIF data was removed and then they were uploaded to here. I have no issue with them being hot linked and having the correct attribution applied to them. They are all still available to view on my publicly viewable Flickr account at:  http://flic.kr/s/aHsjwHa2ur

Declan hunter

Declan Hunter

21.11.2011 22:05

I would also like to point out that the body text is factually inaccurate. The police put on the yellow caps after the arrest had been made and their covers blown. At no point during the day did i see any of the numerous undercover police arrive in the caps so please don't expect this to happen.

Declan Hunter

Message to Declan Hunter

23.11.2011 00:07

As you don't get paid for either, but as both publicise the work you've done free of charge, the major difference between your images being posted (without remuneration) on Indymedia, and your images being posted (also without remuneration) on Flickr, is, as you acknowledge, the issue of attribution. You may feel (with some justification) annoyed that (as the photographer) your name was not credited on Indymedia, but given that some police may take issue with photographers recording their actions for posterity, it seems sensible to err on the safe side, and not presume that photographers will automatically be happy to have their identities be made known to the cops in this specific context. Apologies if this was not what you wanted, but it's best to play safe. As for whether your images should have been re-posted on Indymedia in the first place, with all due respect your response smacks of small mindedness. Do you photograph demonstrations because you believe photojournalism documents the truth and helps society progress, or do you do it just to create commodities from which you seek to profit? We all have a right to earn a living, but, if you wish to use photography to make money, by all means do so, but please consider photographing other subjects for commercial gain, and photographing demonstrations pro-bono, so-to-speak... please. You claim that your images were "stolen", but you havn't answered the reciprocal question about whether you have PERMISSION to use anyone's likenesses for anything, and either way I'd argue a legal case citing "fair use" on grounds of public interest. The EXIF data was not "removed" as such - it's not transferred at all by screen-captures, no other photographer reacted like you, and you could have easily posted the appropriate attribution and links on Indymedia WITHOUT requesting the removal of the images.

Thanks for clarifying the sequence of events as regards the yellow caps BTW.

Kevin Carter

In reply to Kevin Carter

23.11.2011 17:38

I appreciate your points but consider all of them to be moot. As an accredited member of the press I have never seen police take issue with their work being recorded as long as they were provided the room to work safety and do there jobs. It would of course also be against Metropolitan Police guidelines for any officer to "take issue" with any of the images posted. As far as being granted permission for taking the photo's, they are editorial photo's used only for education and journalism purposes and as such no permission is needed. If one were to licence the images through Getty you would find that you were informed of this and against using them for commercial purposes. Finally there is a huge difference between posting images to a public image host for the purpose of disseminating knowledge and the images being copied and then used to increase traffic to this website.

Declan Hunter

Reply to Declan

25.11.2011 01:31

A point that should have been made earlier, but got overlooked in the heat of the moment, is Declan that I'm sure we're all extremely grateful for your efforts photographing the police at demos. However you're wrong on a couple of points. The police most definitely do take issue with photographers documenting their actions, as I think you know, one of the best videos to emerge of the arrests at N9 shows an undercover cop physically attacking a photographer for exactly that, before calming down a bit when he realises he's incriminating himself on camera...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_kCB54oi04

Secondly you say "there is a huge difference between posting images to a public image host for the purpose of disseminating knowledge and the images being copied and then used to increase traffic to this website", but "this website" (Indymedia) IS a public host, whereas Flickr is owned by NASDAQ listed multinational corporation Yahoo, whose assets for 2010 were US$14.928 BILLION. For your information, Flickr facilitate all the posts that photographers like you make onto their website to increase traffic to... that corporation's websites. Finally, the images weren't posted here to "increase traffic" to Indymedia as such, but to help activists identify hostile agents and thereby defend themselves from attack on future protests, and to discourage cops from trying to kill anyone on future protests - that much, I think, is pretty obvious.

Kev

Reply to kevin

25.11.2011 02:07

I can appreciate what your saying, but that videographer was clearly getting in the way of them doing there jobs. Having photographed all of the student protests so far, I've come to learn that if you give the police respect they give it back. Last year in trafalgar square i would have been hit by a glass bottle thrown by a protester if it wasnt for a police medic who blocked it. During last years protests there were a lot more cases of the media being attacked by protesters than police. Oh and ill be there on the 30th to cover whats going on and if my images are of interest then hopefully things will be posted properly this time.

Declan Hunter

our enemies friend is not necessarily our friend

25.11.2011 08:57

Declan who treats the cops with respect, and loves intellectual copyright WANTS you to click on the link, where your IP will be logged when you view his cop photos. Why not use TOR if you want to see the pics?

I'm sure Declan would have no compunction about handing his photos to the cops, so make sure you smile if you see him on a demo.

Indymedia uk seems to have had no problem attracting 'traffic' before and since his photos were removed from the site, so he might just be using a strawman to protect his own interests.

So many photographers share this experience of Declan's:

"As an accredited member of the press I have never seen police take issue with their work being recorded as long as they were provided the room to work safety and do there jobs."

That they started a campaign:  http://photographernotaterrorist.org/

ho hum

Perhaps the cops think Declan is different to these other photographers.

photographers model

Final post

27.11.2011 03:21

This is the final post ill be making about this set. As pointed out, TOR can be used to access all of the images anonymously. So no I'm not trying to get anyone to reveal their IP addresses, frankly i wish i had that kind of relationship with the police! In response to submitting my photographs to the police, no i would not have any issues releasing images of criminality to them. However, i would never release images to them with out a court order for the use of data gathering, such as the images taken by member of the Forward Intelligence Teams (FIT). My interests are only in protecting my own copyrighted work, as a model I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone used your images without permission? As far as that website goes, yes there have been issue's regarding Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000. However these laws have been amended, albeit slightly and as far as I'm aware very few photographers have come under scrutiny by the police since. If you really want to get into it then the Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 is a lot more worrying for photographers. All i can speak of is what I've heard and what I've experienced. I personally have never had any issues with the police while covering these sorts of events, thats not to say others haven't, but personally i have not. Oh and id just like to mention that I saw the arrest of the gentleman in the photo's. His arrest was nothing like the one shown in the above video, those officers were in the wrong and i think thats plain for anyone to see. Im sorry that my actions seem to have offended so many of you and i will have no issues with Indymedia publishing any more of my photographs in the future as long as they are correctly attributed. As pointed out above its free exposure for me, id just like to be recognised for my hard work.

Declan Hunter

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