Shame to see how the momentum of the Greek strikes are falling away with little more than a few Anarchists left (as usual) to fight the pigs. Where are the Greek people, why are they not on the streets fighting for their jobs, wages, pensions etc ?

where are you getting that info from exactly?

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXmrhKjAmkY&feature=player_embedded#!

its hardly 'few', and its not just anarchists, 10's of thousands atleast, 200 thousand if you beleive the unions... 100 thousand seems about right

100,000 - that's the point I was making. At the start the Greeks were seeing 400-500,000 on the streets for their demos but now they are down to 100,000 in a country of 11 million people !

It seems they are like those at Dale Farm who despite the rhetoric just caved in at the end with minimal resistance.

The October 19th demo was the biggest demo in greek history,as reported by the Greek media. Numbers between 500,000 - 1million just in Athens.

"the October 19th demo was the biggest demo in greek history"

If that's what you want to believe then go right ahead. I prefer to deal with facts. Too many of our campaigns and actions fall apart because we keep on living in the "we know best" Anarchist bubble thinking that the revolution is just around the corner. The protests in Greece are getting smaller and smaller because Anarchists there have failed to build on the resentment of the community preferring the usual "let's dress up, throw a brick at a copper and go home feeling good"

The October 19th demo WAS the biggest demo, its not about belief, its about facts.

Compared to the UK anarchist scene the direct action movement in Greece is massive, very active and consistent.

There's over 60 million of us on this little rock as you know and how many numbers do we draw out at any given turn?

Solidarity with the comrades in Greece!

There has been pitched battles between Anarchists and trade union
linked communists in Athens today with molotovs and batons being used...

How many of the huge amount of demonstrators were anarchists? I don't know. I don't assume everyone dressed in black, throwing stuff is an anarchist, much the same as I don't assume all anarchists wear black and throw stuff.

If all of you want to go on thinking the numbers are growing then that's fine by me. I've been in the UK Anarchist movement for 13 years so I have a lot of experience of delusional people who think that the wider world hears them and is listening :-)

The Greek Left had a chance to change the country for ever and they blew it because they were more interested in street fighting than political nation building. IE they fell straight into the trap the Greek State set for them.

Who is this UK anarchist?

the streets yesterday were so full it was almost impossible to move. You've been involved in anarchist organizing in the uk for 13 years? that gives you absolutely nothing to come with.

i was there, it was massive! today it's kicking off bigtime again.

so called "Uk Anarchist" is police, edl or other idiot, troll all the same talking shit as ever.

stalinist trades unionists decided to defend the Greek parliment against anarchists, hmm, reminisant of the Spanish civil war. Let us take heed of the trade union leaders ability to, at his radical best be a moderate reformer.A 53 year old stalinist trades unionist died from inhaling posionous public order gas fired by police, while he was "defending" parliament from anarchists taking direct action against the building,as inside the parliament building MP`s were voting austerity measuresin. I predict, that as the cuts deepen, we will hear the trades union leaders become reformist, telling members that the cuts are necessary.
Will any of the unions be actively supporting the students on the streets on Nov 9th?
Will an anarchist presence, if there is one, be welcomed by the unions, even a feeder march. after march 26th?
Grassroots democracy!

@so called "Uk Anarchist" is police, edl or other idiot, troll all the same talking shit as ever.@

Why because he/she spoke the truth ? The habit here of some shouting "Troll" every time an opposing viewpoint is very childish and tiresome

but he isn't telling the truth, he's full of shit. you couldn't walk through the streets almost at all on the first day of the general strike and the demo was so big it split in two. it was massive, almost too big cause it was a bit claustrophobic.

then what happened yesterday is a mystery. PAME seem to have been totally insane. it's impossible to understand their logic.

to say " Anarchists there have failed to build on the resentment" is absolutely false in so many ways.
firstly, people on the ground in athens and elsewhere in greece, including salonika, where there was massive rioting and protests also, are saying that the turn outs are getting stronger and in terms of what the people are feeling and saying, they are reporting that people are desperate to fight the states/IMF policies and also the police which is doing the states bidding. although i wouldn't be quick to call someone a troll, i would question why someone would come on IM and start to downplay the anarchist role in the on going greek struggle. at the end of the day, over a dozen general strikes in less than two years is not at all to be sniffed at, with varying people from different political 'groups' taking part and making them possible. any dissing coming from activist in the UK, which has had one general strike in seventy-odd years, is hardly worth considering, especially when we know from pals on the streets of greece that it is going off big time over there, and it has been majorly for nearly three solid years.

To say " Anarchists there have failed to build on the resentment" is absolutely false in so many ways.

...... No it's not. This dispute could not have been better for the Anarchist movement, we had every ingredient we needed to build on a it was blown because the majority of Greek Anarchists were more interested in putting on their Ninja outfits and throwing stones at cops wearing riot gear and holding shields. ie achieving nothing


firstly, people on the ground in athens and elsewhere in greece, including salonika, where there was massive rioting and protests also, are saying that the turn outs are getting stronger

..... sorry I wish that were true but it simply is not. Numbers for the protests in Athens have dropped with every demo and Salonika protests yesterday were down to less than a few hundred when there had been about 30 000 only two weeks ago

and in terms of what the people are feeling and saying, they are reporting that people are desperate to fight the states/IMF policies and also the police which is doing the states bidding

.... And we have failed to capitalise on those feelings so people have drifted away from the protests

although i wouldn't be quick to call someone a troll, i would question why someone would come on IM and start to downplay the anarchist role in the on going greek struggle.

... Because of my frustration at seeing a situation that was tailor made for us being wasted.


at the end of the day, over a dozen general strikes in less than two years is not at all to be sniffed at,

...Well it is if those strikes have achieved nothing. The same Neo-Liberal, Capitalist government is still in power.

when we know from pals on the streets of greece that it is going off big time over there, and it has been majorly for nearly three solid years.

...."going off big time' you mean some stone throwing, a bit of damage etc. Well Woo Hoo that really made a difference didn't it ?


We will look back on the 2011 Greek summer as a massive lost opportunity.

Why do so many Anarchists think that a rumble with the cops and a few cars set alight is a victory. This sort of thing never threatens the State machine because it is easily contained. Look at Egypt, they didn't have meaningless fights with well tooled up police instead they took control of the media, the organs of the State and its command structure.

Hitler famously said he didn't need to conquer France only Paris because the French did what Paris told them to do and so it was proven.

The Greek government and the EU/IMF must be laughing their socks off if this is the extent of the resistance to the austerity plan.

You'll get over yourself, given time ;-)

"No it's not. This dispute could not have been better for the Anarchist movement, we had every ingredient we needed to build on a it was blown because the majority of Greek Anarchists were more interested in putting on their Ninja outfits and throwing stones at cops wearing riot gear and holding shields. ie achieving nothing."

Do you believe that the majority of the Greek anarchists are just throwing stones at the cops and do nothing else???? You obviously know nothing about Greek reality.

"sorry I wish that were true but it simply is not. Numbers for the protests in Athens have dropped with every demo and Salonika protests yesterday were down to less than a few hundred when there had been about 30 000 only two weeks ago "

Where do you get these information?

"And we have failed to capitalise on those feelings so people have drifted away from the protests "

Again where do you get these information? and for conversation shake let's say that you are right, why the only responsible for this should be the A/A movement?

"Because of my frustration at seeing a situation that was tailor made for us being wasted."

What do you mean when you say: a situation that was tailor made for us. How do you understand the a/a as aliens? They are not a part of the society and the specific situation you mentioned it does not concern the rest of the society? What do you ask for the a/a, to play the role of the forefront???

"...Well it is if those strikes have achieved nothing."

Those strikes have achieved nothing ehh. Can you please tell me the targets of a strike general speaking?

" The same Neo-Liberal, Capitalist government is still in power. "


You got it! The problem is that the Neo-Liberal, Capitalist government is still in power.
It takes some time but do not worry there's election in 2 years and the Neo-Liberal, Capitalist government will go away and everything will be ok when a pink-leftish, human-capitalist goverment will be in power.

...."going off big time' you mean some stone throwing, a bit of damage etc. Well Woo Hoo that really made a difference didn't it ?


On the 28th-29th June protests the people they chose to take part in the riots were around 5000, for this one I can not tell for sure because I was not there. Of course the number is really small but can you please tell me another way we can achieve the overthrown of capitalism and the social revolution. What would be happen if it was 500000?

My dear you are terribly informed. The banks and rich stores around Athens have completely destroyed a lot of times but this is not the point. The point is to build the structures that will replace the existing.

The point is not how many people say they are anarchists or how many people they go to a strike - I wonder if you know how many people would like to go to these protests but could not be there because they could not strike- what it matters is the impact your projects have in the society, for example political anti-violence self-organization, direct democracy etc etc. The role of the anarchists do not start and do not finish in a protest. Anyway if you want to see the difference compare a protest in Greece and a protest in England. Please though can you tell me what the a/a movement should have done. Can you suggest something?? or just sterile reaction.



The role of the anarchists do not start and do not finish in a protest.

It was said,

"The role of the anarchists do not start and do not finish in a protest. "

This is true however the problem in Greece is that Anarchists have failed to be involved AT ALL beyond the usual dressed in black posturing that the State has no problem dealing with. As to the rest of your attempt at an abuttle I will leave it to readers who with simple online research can find out you are lying.

First you say that the a/a movement in Greece failed to be involved AT ALL beyond the usual dressed in black and the state has no problem dealing with and at the end you call English readers to find out the truth about the situation on the a/a movement in Greece online. From where????

7 self organized radio stations, more than 10 squats and 15 social centers ONLY in athens , 2 self organized parks which the government wanted to take the space and build car parkings, open assemblies in more than 10 neighborhoods ONLY in athens again , 3 monthly newspapers, a couple of base unions, 2 anarchosyndicalist unions, an immigrant network, a couple of PEACEFULLY solidarity protests every year, an active role to keratea and the list goes on. Do you want me to tell you more things the a/a got involved??? Of course all the above they are not enough and in no event they do not give indulgence to other weaknesses.

You probably have never been to a protest in your life and your information comes from the regime media. Do you believe all the people who take part in the riots are anarchists??? Hahahahaha. Check this video to see a real anarchist  https://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1346461.

You are so irrelevant about what is going on in Greece because if you were not you would know that the a/a movement has not planned anything for the last general strikes and participate in them as part of the people. My dear the people who chose to collide in Greece in the last general strikes are bulk people, youth, young unemployed, neo poor, bourgeois who demolished from their privileges, etc. Those who are in need of survival and a piece of them are the anarchists too. Do you believe all the insurrectionists on december in Greece or on August in England were anarchists??

The state has a big problem with the clashes general speaking because the consciences are born on the road, because the state does not like the radicalization of people because the state does not want the people to take their lucks at their hands. Of course there is a big issue with secret cops taking advantage the way the clashes are happening but this is another conversation and I am sorry but I am not going to make it with a bbc viewer.

At the end you have to suggest something?? and also it is really childish to accuse the others for the things you would like to do it but you did not do it.