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Ten Years After 9/11: An Interview with Kevin Ryan and Don Paul

bobf | 01.10.2011 04:01 | Anti-militarism | Other Press | Terror War | Cambridge

"Journal of 9/11 Studies" Co-Editor Kevin Ryan and "To Prevent the Next `9/11'" Author Don Paul respond to a few of the assertions made in a 29 August 2011 article that was posted on the BBC News site in a recent email interviw

How would you respond to BBC News' claim that the National Institute of Standards and Technology [NIST]'s official story of why the Twin Towers collapsed on 9/11/01 is accurate?

Kevin Ryan [KR]: In general, the NIST WTC reports are false because NIST did not explain why and how the buildings collapsed--as was its charter--and the investigations were deceptive and unscientific. For example, NIST reported findings that were in direct contradiction to the physical testing performed and omitted or distorted many important facts. And since NIST cannot share its results with the public, its results cannot be independently verified as required in science. NIST’s explanations have also not been taken seriously by the building construction community.

I cover the exact sequence of the NIST report for the towers in a short video [at the following link:]

In its Aug. 29, 2011 article, BBC News asserted that since the Twin Towers collapse started at the top, it could not have resulted from “controlled demolition,” because "controlled demolition is nearly always carried out from the bottom floors up," according to BBC News. What's your response to these assertions by BBC News?

KR: Nothing falls through the path of most resistance, and certainly not the human mind.

The phrase "controlled demolition" is inappropriate for the towers for two reasons. First, it was "semi-controlled" at best, and the destruction was meant to harm occupants and bystanders. Many were killed within. And some, fleeing, were killed by the falling debris—including the daughter of my friend Donna Marsh O’Connor. Secondly, the phrase misleads people into thinking it was in most respects similar to other demolitions.

But, in fact, it was meant to be a "deceptive demolition" whereby an audience was deceived into thinking that the destruction was caused by the planes and the resulting fires. To do so required creating fires that would not have otherwise existed--for example those on the south wall of WTC1--and timing the explosions to present the idea that in each case the top section--which turned to dust as it fell--crushed the many stories of cold steel structure below.

Don Paul [DP]: I think “unprecedented demolitions” is a fitting term for what happened to the Twin Towers on 9/11/01. That they were demolitions is indubitable. That nothing much like their explosiveness and destructive potency had ever been done to buildings before in history is also indubitable. So “unprecedented demolitions” seems fitting.

Nanothermitics’ multiplying potency is one explanation for the explosiveness. Steven Jones’ 2006 paper--“Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Collapse?”--quotes an article by John Gartner in Technology Review of January, 2005. The article is titled “Military Reloads with Nanotech” [and] Gartner writes: “Researchers can greatly increase the power of weapons by adding materials known as superthermites that combine nanometals such as nanoaluminium with metal oxides such as iron oxide, according to Steven Son, a project leader in the Explosives and Technology group at Los Alamos.”

Thus, the finding and analysis of nanothermitic residue in chips from the Twins Towers is of leading importance in tracing the How and the Who of the Twin Towers’ and Building 7’s destruction—molten metal lasted for many weeks in the footprint of WTC 7, too.

Nine researchers’ papers from April 2009, “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from World Trade Center Catastrophe” is a landmark. And two articles by Kevin from 2008 point to persons and entities that deserve further investigation: “The Top 10 Connections between NIST and Nanothermites” and “Another Amazing Coincidence Related to the WTC.”


KR: Eyewitnesses have also said that there were basement level explosions. And the BBC premise is faulty as well.

[See following links:]

BBC News also asserted that "no evidence has ever been found of explosive charges" or any pre-cutting of columns or walls at the Twin Towers that would indicate a demolition. How would you respond to this BBC News assertion?

KR: Evidence of extreme temperatures has been found. The environmental evidence suggests thermitic materials. Nanothermite has been found. Eyewitness testimony is evidence. And photographic evidence has "been found."

[As described in following links: ; ;;;;]

BBC News also asserted that on United Airlines Flight 93 there was "a passenger revolt" and "the military never gave orders to the air force to shoot the commercial airlines down." What's your response to yet another example of BBC News' unquestioned support for the official story?

KR: With flight 93, as with everything else, we must start with the evidence. Since no one supposed to be on the plane survived its crash, we must consider the questions of standard operating procedure—e.g. why was the hijack code not squawked?--and whatever the government gives us--for example, the transcript of the cockpit recorder.

The debris pattern is important, in that it was spread over a radius of several miles. The lack of wreckage in the alleged impact area is important.

And the finding of the alleged hijacker pilot's passport and bandana at the surface, while the remainder of said pilot was buried in the cockpit 150 feet below, is "evidence" of a different sort.

Overall, the evidence suggests that the airliner was shot down.

[See following links: ). ]

BBC News also claimed that the only reason Building 7 collapsed without being hit by any planes was because of "uncontrolled fire, started by the collapse of the nearby North Tower, and which burned for 7 hours" and that no "evidence of thermite or explosives" were found there. How would you respond to this BBC News claim?

KR: I walk people through the NIST report for WTC 7 in a short video.

[at the following link:]

The WTC 7 report is false for the following reasons: No physical tests were done to confirm the NIST explanation and the fire hypothesis is contradicted by the known fire resistance plan. The fires in WTC 7 lasted only 20 minutes in each area while the steel components were rated for hours of fire resistance.

NIST’s final theory was based entirely on computer simulations that are not based on evidence and NIST’s fire modeling contradicts the photographic evidence. The fires in the critical areas--NE corner of floor 12--were out long before collapse. NIST did not heat the floor slabs in its model of differential thermal expansion. NIST ignored known facts about shear studs on the critical girder, [since] the maximum thermal expansion possible could not have caused the girder to “walk-off” its seat. [So] the NIST computer result does not accurately model the collapse

Why do you think BBC News, other mainstream media news organizations and nearly all the alternative media outlets and gatekeepers still are unwilling to encourage much questioning of the official U.S. government story of what happened ten years ago on 9/11? And how would you compare the global mass media commemoration and revisiting of the 9/11/01 events ten years after 9/11 with the way the global mass media generally commemorated and revisited the 11/22/63 events ten years after JFK was eliminated in Dallas?

KR: For several reasons. First, it is difficult to accept the truth that we do not know the truth. Secondly, they would be admitting that they have been grossly negligent in their jobs for many years. And lastly, if they do encourage it, they will lose their funding or their jobs.

I'm not really in a position to compare the two because I was only 10 years old in 1973 and have not studied the JFK history enough to know.

DP: BBC News and other mega-media and the mega-rich Foundations that fund much of the so-called alternative media all are materially dependent upon maintaining the credibility of the pretext for the “War on Terror.” The whole complex of them, making up key parts of a supranational Corporate Government across the Western world, needed a casus belli for the Anglo-American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. And for the repression of insurgent citizens’ movements that were growing—like the anti-World Trade Organization [WTO] protest movement—in 1999 to 2001.

They need now, of course, to keep up full-scale denial and disinformation against proofs and movements that completely undermine their spectacular pretext, “9/11,” for the “War on Terror.”

The problem for them now is that their pretext, their casus belli, has become year-by-year more incredible and indefensible. Polls—some of which I cite in “The 10th Anniversary Is A Time To Declare That Truth Is Winning” article on the site—show that the public in the United States and other Western nations don’t believe the Corporate Government’s Official Story for 9/11/01 and want to know what really happened.

We who have seen the evidence for the day’s crimes and doubt explanations such as NIST’s are now a growing majority. We’re part of a growing majority of the public in the Western world who no longer believe our Governments and their echo-chamber of talking heads. The supranational Corporate Government is rightly recognized as the real source of crimes that are taking away our homes, our freedoms, and our livelihoods—if not our very lives. Who owns BBC News? Whom and what does BBC News serve? Who owns NBC, ABC, Time-Warner, et cetera? Who owns General Electric? Who and what owns General Dynamics, Exxon Mobil and Lockheed Martin? Who and what own the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the Bank of England, the Bank of France, the Bank of Japan, and the Bank of International Settlements?

The difference I see between the Corporate Government and its mega-media’s coverage of the 10th anniversary of 9/11 and the 10th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy is that the former was an exaggerated spectacle, a fanfare of theatrics fanned by increasing desperation to cover up truth. While the latter, earlier anniversary, 10 years after JFK was shot—and five years after Jim Garrison’s prosecutions forced broad attention back on that murder—was as minimal as it could credibly be, as I recall.

November 22, 1973 came as pressure mounted on the Nixon White House and the public of the U.S. and elsewhere in the Western World suffered gas-shortages and sudden economic hard-times due to the supposed “Oil Crisis.” Then, I think, many fewer of the public had the knowledge for suspicions as to what and who were really behind mega-media’s News and the sources for their personal losses and suffering.

The crimes of 9/11/01 were a far more desperate and brazen attack on the public of the Western World than the obvious, bankers-orchestrated, CIA killing of JFK—and that plot’s even more transparent murder of the unexpectedly surviving “patsy” Oswald. The same failing systems bet on the crimes of 9/11 as played and profited from the killing of JFK. But because their 21st-century/9/11 crimes are so much more spectacular and heinous—thousands dead in Lower Manhattan due to Towers that exploded into bits of dust—they are correspondingly more vulnerable.

Exposure of the true crimes of 9/11 goes forward. Bringing to light the full truth of those crimes is our best way to honor the dead of that day and the millions more dead in wars for Banks’ debts. The full truth is also our best way out of the “War on Terror”—as those who “Occupy Wall Street” join those millions of citizens who have protested in the past year. And thousands more plan to occupy Washington, D.C. this year. [see and]



Display the following 8 comments

  1. Fuck off conspiracy nut! — 9/11 was an outside job
  2. ...turn to dust... — anon
  3. thanks for posting — ad
  4. zero evidence — anon
  5. a unique and meaningful title — troofless
  6. There are none so blind as those who cannot see — Lauren
  7. There is no evidence! — anon
  8. No moral judgement — Dave