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Lessons of the Miners Strike & Poll Tax Riot

Gianfranco Sanguinetti | 24.09.2011 11:51 | Public sector cuts | Terror War

The Anti-Cuts movement will succeed if it defends true democratic principles, but FAIL if it is perceived to be opposing them...

A significant factor in the long-term failure of the Miners Strike was Arthur Scargill's decision not to ballot NUM members on whether to go to a strike, which resulted in Scargill issuing the decision to strike by diktat, which was a massive PR coup for the right-wing tabloid press. The reactionary media were therefore able to present the NUM as anti-democratic, dividing the miners themselves and their supporters in the general community, and providing the pretext for the creation of the rival Union of Democratic Miners - which was exposed, many years later, as having been MI5 funded. It's also rumoured the NUM activist who advised Scargill to proceed to a strike without a ballot was an MI5 plant!

In contrast the Anti-Poll-Tax campaign succeeded because it defended democracy, as Margaret Thatcher's planned Poll-Tax was designed to link the right to vote and the electoral register to what's now referred to as Council Tax payments - what the Tories planned was that those too poor to be able to afford this taxation would try to avoid payment by not registering to vote.

The success of the Anti-Poll-Tax movement is often debated in terms of the impact of the Poll Tax Riot, therefore debated in terms of the morality and effectiveness of radical violence, but the truth is that both the Miners Strike and Poll Tax Riot involved violence, but one failed, and the other succeeded. Violence was not the deciding factor. What caused the NUM to fail was that their campaign was perceived to be anti-democratic, and what caused the Anti-Poll-Tax campaign to succeed was that it defended democracy (and this is all the more ironic given that some of hard-left groups who fought against the Poll Tax were in fact ideologically opposed to the Parliamentary democracy that, bizarrely, they ended-up successfully defending).

Similarly the current Anti-Cuts movement will succeed if it defends true democratic principles, but FAIL if it is perceived to be opposing democracy; and, likewise, the Anti-Cuts movement will succeed if it exposes thieving, expenses-fiddling, corrupt, anti-democratic, war-mongering politicians as the real extremists, but will fail if they are able to smear us as extremists, particularly by association with ANY form of terrorism...

 https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/09/485095.html

Gianfranco Sanguinetti

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rubbish

24.09.2011 13:20


It is a lot harder to force people to pay a tax - the only way is to threaten them with prison.
Hence the government gave up.

It is a lot easier to close and mine and prevent the miners working down it. You just put padlocks on the gates, post guards and police, and cut the power.
Hence the miners gave up.

With uncut, you are onto a fail. You can't force the government to spend money on XYZ if that money is not to be had. You could probably force them NOT to spend it by disruption, but disruption never gets anything created, it can only get something reduced or stopped

anon


Talking of rubbish

24.09.2011 14:23

Q. "It is a lot harder to force people to pay a tax - the only way is to threaten them with prison. Hence the government gave up"?

A. If that was the case then the government would have given-up trying to force people to pay Council Tax. Last time I checked the government is still threatening to jail people who don't pay Council Tax, and tens of millions of people are (as a result) paying Council Tax, so clearly your argument is wrong

Nasty


UDM exposed as having been MI5 funded?

25.09.2011 09:28

"UDM exposed as having been MI5 funded?"

Do you have links to sources for this? I can't find any from a quick search.

And @Nasty: the difference is that most people perceived the Poll Tax as unfair, whereas Council Tax is more proportional to wealth, so there is less opposition to it. anon is talking a lot of sense. It's still to to oppose the cuts to build up a sense of community and opposition, but I won't really expect the Uncut campaigners to achieve their main objective, however laudable it may be.

anon2


Thatcher used....

25.09.2011 09:39

the whole might of the State legally and illegally to smash the steelworkers then the mineworkers. Democracy and ballots mean nothing in this type of battle.

The media capturing Scargill in a nazi salute ( The Sun ) and other such blatent lies was totally onesided as per usual.

The BBC showing the police charge the miners on horse back only after they had doctored footage of miners attacking the police first, shows the
bbc for what it really is.

The poll tax and council tax are totally different in that a large number of people dont object to council tax in principle as they did the poll tax.

Maybe its time to target the media , in that I mean the BBC , Mail , Sun etc .

These are the people who ultimately decide such battles as you,ve seen recently with the over the top sentences of young rioters being actively encouraged by Murdoch and his mob.

Sporticus


Democracy against the State

25.09.2011 12:33

Any suggestion that in response to the PR problems the radical movement has we should "target the media" is just taking an already bad situation and making it much worse. Seriously, you've got to be joking. The UDM/MI5 business was in the TV documentary about State infiltrators and the Miners Strike (I'm in a rush right now but it's probably on You Tube). Finally of course most people thought the Poll Tax was (relative to its successor) "unfair" - that's a/ why it was referred to as the Poll Tax, b/ why it was defeated, and c/ it was unfair because it was anti-democratic, which is why it was defeated, which is what the original article said in the first place.

Stornoway


Re attacking the media.

25.09.2011 13:55

Why joking?

Whats to lose. Show these already discredited organisations a real taste of democracy.

The media in general will always back the State regardless of " democracy ".

The Poll tax was defeated not because it was undemocratic , but because people took it on in large enough numbers , and various ways.

I could name hundreds of undemocratic things that people just live with and accept.

Our whole parlimentary system could be described as undemocratic but people still use it , albeit in minority ( undemocratic ) numbers.

Democracy does not exist , unless you,ve just overthrown a country and stuck some ink on peoples thumbs. And dont our wonderful media let us know it.

Sporticus


Miner's strike ballot

26.09.2011 09:48

The NUM had already decided democratically that it would oppose the tearing up of existing agreements with the NCB on pit closures with strike action. This was the policy and the Thatcher government deliberately provoked the strike - you think if the miner's invited a "no strike vote" in a ballot and won Thatcher would have decided not to go ahead?

John Harris


There is confusion

26.09.2011 20:45

these days between the poll tax and the present council tax. The Tories decided the existing system (called domestic rates) was "unfair" because it was a tax on homes. The poll tax was what it said on the tin. A PERSONAL tax on every individual, the same for everybody, and regardless of the ability to pay. A sort of "existence tax". It was never officially called the "poll tax". They liked to call it the "community charge". So the community charged. When it was defeated, Major's lot came up with Council Tax, which is .........a tax on homes, just as the old rates were.

My memory is that it was ITV, not the BBC, who spliced the film shot at Orgreave so it looked like the miners charged the cops first. They didn't, of course. They defended themselves when the cops made a unprovoked charge on them, using horses.

If I have wrongly absolved the BBC of blame for a contrived lie which really was down to them, I am very, very sorry.

Stroppyoldgit


No DON'T attack the media

26.09.2011 23:50

The reasons for not attacking the media are many. Yes the media often publish reports that wildly misrepresent important social issues, but OFTEN the media publish material that accurately reports such issues and actively encourages political action. To generalise that the media are some uniform, totally homogenous and intrinsically hostile entity is naive bollocks and smacks of deliberate agent-provocateurism. Secondly it's stunningly obvious we need to keep as much of the media as we can win over on our side.

For all their sins even The Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph have published headline pieces which are highly critical of social inequalities recently, and to see the evils of capitalism being openly discussed by the right-wing press achieves more in one day's paper sales than any radical paper could probably achieve in 10 years. Even an old Tory like Andrew Neill devoted an entire TV documentary to denouncing the coalition as an old-boy network for ex-public school types (as opposed to the meritocracy he likes to think empowered working-class Tories under Margaret Thatcher) - obvious weaknesses in his argument notwithstanding the more disillusioned Tories get the more chance radicals have of actually getting somewhere

By all means contact journalists who've fucked-up and explain to them why it is they've fucked up, but don't, under any circumstances, harass the media. Let's try to be grown up about this please

Rack mount


Report about Rock Against Racism founder in The Daily Mail

27.09.2011 16:31

Amazing report about photography by Rock Against Racism founder Red Saunders in.... The DAILY MAIL

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042374/The-amazingly-detailed-living-pictures-scenes-history-really-looked.html

Smoke


Rack mount

27.09.2011 21:04

You are naive and patronising.

Watch the mainstream media attack the strikers in a few weeks.

They will rip them to pieces.

But thats ok , leave them to it and be grown up about it , because one day they may publish an article on anarchist/socialist art in a sunday supplement.

Fuck em they are prostitutes , liars and scum.

Sporticus


Reply to Sporticus

27.09.2011 21:20

Yes the mainstream media probably will attack the strikers in a few weeks, except for those elements of the mainstream media, like the Daily Mirror etc, who'll probably support them. Nonetheless yes many of people in the media are prostitutes, liars and scum, but unfortunately they strongly influence the political opinions of tens of millions of people.

Is it "naive and patronising" to ask how many million people your genius-level insights and pronouncements influence? Is it "naive and patronising" to point out that The Daily Mail were effectively tricked into printing radical propaganda (and no it wasn't "an article on anarchist/socialist art in a sunday supplement")? Or is it naive and patronising of you to imply that trying to influence public opinion isn't relevant to minor issues like POLITICS. What's being proposed here is that activists try and crawl out of the radical ghetto and actually find ways of communicating their ideas to the general public, and (no matter how vile they can be) making the media hate us is probably not a great way of going about that

Rack mount