What a great idea, why has no one ever thought of that before.

Facebook is a brilliant place to organise a black bloc action, I mean there's all those people right, and you have all their details - where they live, photos, what they ate for dinner - so you know that they are really trustworthy. Some people even put their phone numbers up there, so its really easy to get hold of them.

And announcing it on an open website, so that anyone can join up will open the movement out to the masses. Making sure that all those that have wanted to get involved in militant direct action no longer need to know someone already involved, or have a history in the movement, but can jump straight in.

Stay safe out there ;)

Strikes are being planned for this date so there is no coincidence that these people are wishing to dupe legitimate protesters.

Black Bloc are police provocateurs. There are Youtube videos showing one Black Bloc activists as undercover police:

 http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1418562/pg1

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_zozlNfGl4

Black Bloc were a tactic used in Canada during the G20,  http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/500-arrested-at-g20-black-bloc-may-be-psyops/

 http://momentsofc.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/uk-uncut-must-break-from-the-black-bloc/

'Right, with that out-of-the-way; it seems that fighting has broken out between elements of UK Uncut and the Black Bloc. Good. I watched the spokesperson for UK Uncut make a complete fool of themselves and the organisation on Newsnight by refusing to explicitly condemn the actions of the Black Bloc, which they should be able to do. My view of the Black Bloc is simple. It is a vipers nest, riddled with state assets whose sole purpose is the destruction and discrediting of this movement. The politics of the Bloc, such as they are, make this easy, as does the age demographic of its more genuine supporters.'

This black bloc militancy is getting old. Yawn yawn yawn.

A black bloc is still a useful tactic. but is full of pigs. the problem with tuc one was pigs started smashing shops first, which started the ruck.

change tactic, avoid smashing shops, hit real targets, gov buildings, arms dealers etc.

the police, military intel, private eyes, corporate spies, you name it, they infilitrate everything. NUM was infiltrated in the eighties, would you call for none action by striking miners because of it? of course not. Wombles was infiltrated in the early noughties, did it stop womble actions, no? Mark Stone infiltrated various groups, particularly climate groups, did it stop the swoop? nope.

so what im getting at is, although i wouldn't personally favour putting my details on a facebook black bloc page (because it is a bit daft), i wouldn't go as far as to suggest the blac bloc are all pigs - because such a suggestion is actually stupid. cops infiltrate the groups doing the stuff the system hates the most, thats why the system spends 'tax' money on infiltration of the groups like Ukuncut, Blac Bloc, Wombles, Climate Camp, etc. Believe me, cops are everywhere, in all teh groups, A Fed, Sol Fed, IWW, SWP, Socialist Party, even the fucking labour party, etc. Nothing is not infiltrated EXCEPT a grass roots affinity group, organised by trusted brothers and sisters. So that means its fine to be in a blac bloc, perhaps just going with people you know personally and trust 100 percent. its not hard to figure out, ya know, it really isn't. and as for J30, there will be pigs all over it with this much advanced notice and organising, but so fucking what, they cant stop us all and they wont stop me, as i'l be doing stuff locally, off the rada, back to basics! so fuck em, and the infiltrating horses they rode in on...

PS. blac bloc is not a government conspiracy, its a TACTIC used by people who want to hit a target and remain anonymous. but yes, certainly it will be infiltrated as it always has been and always will be, same as all groups subverting anything anywhere. get over it and get on with it.........

The recent uprisings in arab states are all the work of police provocateurs too! In Libya Gaddaffi used undercover police officers to start the uprising there so that he could then launch a huge crackdown. Infact police provocateurs were behind the Russian revolution too, there it was the Tsar of Russia who ordered his national police to start a communist uprising. The English Civil war was a result of police provocateurs too as Oliver Cromwell was exposed as an under cover cop working for the King who started a rebellion so that the King of England could launch a crackdown.

I'm not against black bloc tactics because of 'provocotors', cops can (and do) just turn up to a demo in jeans and a Tshirt, and the better acting ones can't always be seen a mile off. Also anyone doing something really out of charector tends to get called up on their shit pretty quick ie "why doesnt everyone smash up that car while i stand here" or "hey lets smash this local unrealted target everyone".

I'm not against them because the are 'militant' or because they are often used for property distruction, windows don't have feelings.


Why I would question them is how useful they would be in a given circumstance. I'll give the tactical/stategic reasons i'd have with a J30 black bloc here:

1) Most importantly more radical activists (including anarchists) need to be seen as having a credible politics and to be able to work with others. Those workers who will be out on the streets are the natuaral allies of anyone opposing capital, by dressing differently and putting on a mask you are instantly seperating yourself from the mass of people who want to fight for change. Whatever your intentions you will come off as elitist and seperatist.
'M28' showed that while several people will join in with a black bloc spontaniously, and many will support what they see the vast maority will not join in with the property distruction or defence against the police.


2) what would be more useful, and argueably more radical than say 30 broken windows and a few closed banks, would be a LARGE anarchist presence engaging with workers on the picket lines and marches. Talking about the failings of all party politics, about the alternatives, encrouaging work place commities, wildcat actions, democraticly run non hierarchical communities... All whilst showing we're a movement capable or organising to support and offer solidarity to these actions, a group of people who's ideas are worth becoming part of.
Rather than a group people who seem capable of being little more than cannon fodder for the cops, and a minor nuisence to some shop ownesr.

3) Fetishisation of tactics. I'm sure many people have been on some exclessent blocs, where targets were hit a point made support garnered and everyone dissapeared into the night. I'm sure that was about 5% of the blocs you've been on. Unless you were very lucky. Whilst it definately WAS a really useful tactic, and in certain cases is still can be a very useful tactic, its not something we should do EVERY time ANYTHING happens. It makes us predictable, it means the media spiin and police responses are ready weeks in advance.

Think of the alternatives, what if everyone handed out 100s of masks if things started to look 'intrestin' then just kept swapping shirts and shoes with starngers to make CCTV footage of your logo's useless due to deniability. What if all the CCTV cameras around an area suddenly turned off? what if a 50 strong purple block appeared ransacked the treasurey and dissapeared into the crowd, their obvious set of clothes quickly becoming nothing but a small bonfire in parliment square as they mingled with others... What if 10,000 people were caught on camera smashing things and everytime one was arrested riots sprung up around the police statoins... What if for once we decided that property distruction is NOT always the most radical thing to do, that every tactic has a time and place where it is most useful and that generally acts of disobedience on that level need a popular support to be effective, one which is currently lacking in this country but may not be in the winter, or the autumn, or in 2 months time....

who gives a fu*k if there are a few cops in the block. the tuc breakaway was unplaned even if there were a few cops in it how can they know anything if the block moves spontaniously. Most of the 1000 or so people running through the city that day were pissed off people that see through all this march from a to b bullshit and dont want to sit in fortnum and masons waiting for the pigs to throw some cuffs on them. black block is a tactic and a usefull one that will keep a lot of people out of gaol. as far as being usefull to creat change in government who knows it will take a lot more people getting angry enough to fight for their rights for things to change in this country. you cant ask for change you have to force it the evil pricks that run this country wont give up their power because you go on a walk and hand them a bunch of signatures.

Anarchist against the cuts has it so right. We have the potential on J30 for some real direct action where we build solidarity and broaden the movement. Nothing wrong with property destruction but there's a time and place. Also, we need to start giving some positive alternatives by example.

Of course the cops are going to put a few people in the black bloc area to report back on what's going on. But most people in the black bloc can still do their own thing perfectly effectively. It is decentralised and more of an idea than an organisation.

These people pushing conspiracy theories about the block bloc all being agent provocateurs are either troofer style conspiracy theorists, people pushing their own agenda e.g. pacifism, or state agents trying a divide and rule tactic.

I'm too old for the black bloc these days but good luck to those that do it. The more banks and similar institutions that get smashed up, the better, IMHO.

The objective of Black Bloc during the March 26 protest was to:
- divert public attention from the concerns of the protesters to the need to clamp down on violence;
- provide a pretext to arrest UK Uncut activists and reduce support for the campaign.

The idea that Black Bloc represents anything genuine is laughable. Who would risk getting a criminal record after being caught by the police in order to feel better after putting a brick through a bank window? What happened to the student on the anti-education cuts protest who dropped a fire hydrant? No one was injuryed. There was no damage. But he got sentenced to a number of years? Does he regret what he did. No doubt. So, most Black Bloc supporters would know that if they got caught for doing not much then they'd end up in jail. Who'd do that?

I saw Black Bloc and Anarchists join the march at Piccadilly. The police allowed them to congregate in a square off Piccadilly and then allowed them to join. Some broke off the march they'd join and headed towards Fortnum and Mason. There were lots of police at F&M but they allowed these people to get inside. What did they achieve? Get UK Uncut arrested.

But the reality is of course that next to no Black Bloc protesters were arrested on March 26. Of course, not. Black Bloc are far too valuable to the state.

"The idea that Black Bloc represents anything genuine is laughable. Who would risk getting a criminal record after being caught by the police in order to feel better after putting a brick through a bank window?"
yo know nothing. I find it a personal attack on every prisoner that has been sent to gaol for : putting a brick through a bank window, liberating an animal, burning a symbol of the state, resisting police arrest.
any action is good action from sitting in front of a police line to firebombing a bank and we should support any actavists no matter how they choose to express their rage at this unjust system. your poiltics poison this movement. you wont risk being arrested ???? why ??? if you want change you must believe in what you are doing and not let their threat of arrest get to you. or are you happy enough waving a banner for 3 years on your parents money and then getting a job at a bank or as a lib-dem candidate. fuck off we dont need people like you. i dont want you on the lines with me you would run at the first sign of trouble and leave me and my friends beaten and arrested. fuck you an everything you stand for.

you dissrespect everyone of us in gaol.
10.06.2011 23:54
any action is good action from sitting in front of a police line to firebombing a bank and we should support any actavists no matter how they choose to express their rage at this unjust system. your poiltics poison this movement. you wont risk being arrested ???? why ??? if you want change you must believe in what you are doing and not let their threat of arrest get to you
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And there you have it. Proof that Black Bloc's aim is to set people up.

If you want change, you've got to break the law, so that the state can put you away in jail.

Isn't this exactly what Mark Kennedy was doing? In fact, activists innocently allowed him to take them away to some protest and when they had not agreed to take part in criminal action. They are now in jail.

Black Bloc are police scum!

"They are now in jail."

Who is now in jail?

SDubois argument that the Black Block are the police is often made by leading members of the SWP. They claim to support the struggles of ordinary people but they seek to monopolise these struggles. Whenever there is a movement against inequity that the SWP cannot control and dissipate, they attack it.
Before the Black Bloc, the SWP attacked the "Squaddist" movement within the SWP. This was a movement to defend SWP members from fascist violence. The nature of this work required that squads act secretly; they moved out of the control of the SWP Central Committee of Old Etonians and so were purged.
SDubois is attacking all "illegal" action against the state. This gives to the governemnt, police, prosecutors and judges the power to define the nature of the struggle. If we'd never broke the law we wouldn't have the vote.

non sense , V.Dubious, @@@, anon, Francesca

Perhaps, we can all have a drink one evening to discuss the finer points of revolutionary action. I'll go to your workplace. Which police station is it?

I'm still waiting for you to back up this claim:

"Isn't this exactly what Mark Kennedy was doing? In fact, activists innocently allowed him to take them away to some protest and when they had not agreed to take part in criminal action. They are now in jail."

Who is in jail?

Trying to fob me off as a cop merely serves to show that you see cops where there are none.

Having a black bloc on June 30th is a great idea whether it is a peaceful one like the millions for mumia demo or a not so peaceful one like M26 but, is this genuine? and is it still going ahead in the same place at the same time? i am asking because i do not want to be the only one that turns up to be left looking like a right numpty. there has been no updates or nothing on the blog on tumblr. take care all!