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Nottingham Indymedia + Jeremy Bates | 15.05.2011 06:04 | Education | Repression | Terror War

There has been growing anger at the University of Nottingham's attempts to silence Dr Rod Thornton, author of a critical article which exposes the complicity of university management in the wrongful arrests of the 'Nottingham Two'. A student and a member of staff – Rizwaan Sabir and Hicham Yezza – were arrested as suspected terrorists in May 2008.

Dr Thornton, who was one of Sabir's tutors in the School of Politics, used information released under Freedom of Information Act and Data Protection Act requests to piece together a damning picture of the University management's attempts to cover up their wrong doing. The University used legal threats to get the article removed from the British International Studies Association website and, later the same day, suspended Dr Thornton with immediate effect.

On Tuesday 10th May, a letter calling for Thornton's immediate reinstatement, signed by 70 leading academics and scholars from across the world, including Professors Noam Chomsky, Neera Chandhoke, Paul Gilroy and Charles Tripp, was published in the Guardian. On Thursday 12th May, a protest of was held on campus.

On the newswire: Nttm 3! Dr.Thornton, Rizwaan Sabir & Hicham Yezza | Call to reinstate Rod Thornton | The paper Nottingham Uni doesn't want you to read | University whistleblower suspended | 'Al-Qaeda Arrest' Whistleblower Silenced | Islamophobia and the Nottingham Two | Interview with Hicham Yezza & Rizwaan Sabir

Previous features: Censorship at University of Nottingham | New light shed on the Nottingham Two | Campaign Victories As Hich And Amdani Are Released On Bail | Hundreds Join Demo for Academic Freedom and Against Deportation | Nottingham Uni Detainee Innocent But Still Facing Deportation | Anger Over 'Terror Arrests' at Nottingham University

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Rizwaan Sabir addresses the demonstration at the University's Trent Building
Rizwaan Sabir addresses the demonstration at the University's Trent Building


Islamophobia and the Nottingham Two, by Jeremy Bates

Rod Thornton, a University of Nottingham lecturer who became embroiled in the struggle for justice for Rizwaan Sabir and Hicham Yezza, has published his extensive account of the case of the Nottingham Two. Pieced together from heavily redacted Freedom of Information requests, Rizwaan's Data Protection Access requests and even meetings with Special Branch officers, it paints a damning picture of the University of Nottingham's management. For those who don't have the time to read the entire paper, this is an attempt to summarise what I thought were some of the most interesting sections.

Thornton is a lecturer in the School of Politics with interests in terrorism and counter-insurgency. He could be described as being the University's expert on terrorism, although his judgement was never sought by the management in assessing the legitimacy of the documents in Yezza's possession that led to the terror arrests. It is a pity because this expert knowledge could have saved a lot of suffering for the two innocent men who were wrongfully arrested and could have avoided the management embarking on an apparent crusade to see them convicted. Thornton was Postgraduate Tutor in the department and so had responsibility for the well-being of students like Rizwaan, something he seems to have done admirably whilst senior managers colluded to get rid of him.

For readers who aren't familiar with the case, I should briefly explain the series of events that led to two innocent men being arrested and questioned by police for 6 days (not to mention triggering harassment of them by police and security agencies that continues to this day). Documents were discovered by a colleague on Yezza's computer that alarmed that colleague. They included two journal articles and a document known as the Al Qaeda Training Manual (more on that later). The University authorities were alerted and it seems that the Registrar himself made the decision to involve the police. Yezza's office was sealed off whilst police made extensive searches. Sabir and Yezza were both arrested after trying to find out what was going on at Yezza's office. It emerged that Sabir, whilst researching material for his PhD on radical Islam, had emailed Yezza the documents to print on his work computer. Neither were charged in relation to the incident.

The crux of Thornton's argument is that, rather than make a thorough risk assessment to determine whether to call in anti-terrorist police, the University's Registrar and Security pre-judged Yezza and Sabir. Because they were young Muslim men, they were automatically assumed to be involved in terrorism and the possibility of their innocence was never entertained. It is not hard to find racist assumptions in the released emails and documents that Thornton has uncovered. (Take for example the assumption of Gary Stevens, Head of Security, that using the word 'brother' in an email was 'Jihadist-speak'!) The men were presumed guilty by the university, something revealed in the fact that management had drawn up a suspension notice for Sabir, signed by the Vice-Chancellor, on the day after the arrests.

There is a very interesting discussion of the Al Qaeda Training Manual contained in Thornton's paper that makes it perfectly clear that, had any expert on the document been consulted by the University authorities, a lot of misunderstanding could have been avoided. To start with it has nothing to do with Al Qaeda and is most likely the work of a radical offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Much of it seems to date from the 1950s with some additions in the 1980s. Interestingly, it's real name is Military Studies in the Jihad against the Tyrants (referring to the Presidents of Egypt) and was renamed by the US Department of Justice in order to 'sex it up' and increase the likelihood that its possession would lead to convictions! Thornton describes it as an 'insurgent/guerilla/freedom-fighter manual' with contents that 'are not actually aimed at activists who want to spread fear or "terror" – i.e. "terrorists".' Indeed, the version which Yezza was in possession of was not the full version, although Thornton helpfully points out that the full version is freely available from the University's library! It is clear from Thornton's investigations that no one from the University' senior management ever bothered to read the document in question, although they did not let that stop them from making false statements about it and judgements about those in possession of it.

After Sabir and Yezza were released, the University had to go on the defensive and protect its image which had, understandably, been damaged by its rash and destructive actions. Via a number of public statements, the senior management sought to assert its own version of events. As Thornton reveals, much of this was outright lying. The events were reconstructed to portray the University as a supportive and responsible institution and dispel the reality that senior managers had attempted to wash their hands of Sabir and Yezza as soon as possible. Indeed, the decision of the Registrar was now reimagined as a 'collective decision':
'The University had to make a risk assessment - no panic, no hysteria, just a straightforward risk assessment...Our concerns were conveyed to the police as the appropriate body to investigate (no judgement was made by us)' - Campbell,Freedom Still Reigns
Of course there had been no risk assessment, no collective decision and plenty of rash judgements.

The senior management closed ranks to protect one of their own. Once very public lies have been told they have to keep being told to maintain the fictions that they give rise to. Thornton goes into considerable depth exposing the lies that were disseminated to students and staff via the University's portal. In the meantime, staff who were critical of the management's handling of the affair were persecuted and subjected to disciplinary action, whilst those who actively colluded with management, such as Drs Macdonald Daly and Sean Matthews, were rewarded with access to what should have been confidential personal information about Sabir.

The lengths that the University went to to kick Sabir out once he had completed his Masters were extreme. Once he had got the message and realised that his interests would be best served studying elsewhere, disgusting emails were sent by his Head of Department, expressing delight at the 'good news'.

One of the most interesting revelations for myself, as a former student activist at the University, was that the university had drawn up a list of 'Events on Campus' during 2008 that, according to Thornton, included 'protests, film showings, seminars, stalls, "cultural days", meetings or presentations that related to "Muslim issues": Gaza, Palestine, talks by ex-Guantanamo prisoners, etc.' This looks like racial/religious profiling and is further evidence that the University's security were operating with islamophobic prejudice, something not helped by the fact that all of the security department are white. Thornton describes the situation at the University as one where 'any activity that is seen as pro-Muslim automatically comes to be seen by management as anti-Semitic.' A Security Report, prepared by the University, linked a silent march held in protest against attacks on academic freedom with claims that anti-Semitism was on the increase at the University.

Perhaps the most worrying sequence of events described in this paper, however, is that which led to the Home Office describing the events in Nottingham as a 'major Islamist Plot'. Vice-Chancellor of the University at the time, Colin Campbell, wrote to Universities Minister, Bill Rammell, erroneously referring to the document in Yezza's possession as an Al Qaeda Training Manual as opposed to the Al Qaeda Training Manual. Given that one is the 'sexed up' title of a relatively outdated document, unrelated to terrorism, and the other would be something useful to training an Al Qaeda recruit, this error is quite inexcusable. Campbell also lied by saying that the manual 'WAS NOT the version you can purchase from Amazon' (it was). This led to the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS) repeating these errors/lies and others including the 'fact' that Sabir was arrested for trying to interfere with the police removal of Yezza's computer (pure fiction). Soon, the story was not one of a terrible mistake which led to two innocent people being wrongfully arrested, but what the Home Office described as a 'major Islamist plot'. Like many other events that have been described as such, it was nothing of the sort.

Thanks to Rod Thornton's sense of justice and refusal to give in, the Kafkaesque twists of the Nottingham Two's story are now in the public domain. The full paper is well worth reading for those interested in corruption and racism in public bodies. It serves as a perfect illustration of the damage that the 'war on terror' has unleashed in our society.

Nottingham Indymedia + Jeremy Bates

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history repeats itself

15.05.2011 11:52

To say that the university should of done its own investigation before calling the police.
This is ludicrous for two reasons.
1) Time and urgency is one critical factor. Failure to act on time due to dithering has cost many a life.
2) The last internal investigation i can remember was the huge failure of the catholic church investigating child abuse within its ranks. If they had alerted the police rather than trying to investigate it themselves, then perhaps things would have turned out very different.
The church has been hugely criticised for this decision, and I think the university would of been the same.

I'd also add that it is up to the university as to whether they call the police or not. This lecturer does not have the authority to make that decision. He wasn't employed to tell them how to run the place and it certainly isn't a democracy.

I guess in this day and age, anyone with " Al Qaeda Training Manual" on their computer is going cause a lot of suspicion. You can tell people to turn a blind eye, but ultimately people will make their own decisions.

anon


The University's decisions were based on prejudice

15.05.2011 17:09

Hello anon

"This is ludicrous for two reasons.
1) Time and urgency is one critical factor. Failure to act on time due to dithering has cost many a life. "

Of course, the inverse is true in this case. A false sense of urgency has caused two men irreparable damage. Besides, the University has had 3 years to rectify the mistakes it made and it hasn't. It could have intervened whilst the men were in detention to say 'Sorry, we got it wrong' and saved them being kept in a police cell for a week. It didn't. It could have intervened since to apologise for its decisions. It didn't. Dr Thornton's report, if you actually take the time to read it, makes it perfectly clear that the University's highest levels of management made the decision to assume that the men were guilty and stick to that assumption, even when they were proved to have been wrong

"2) The last internal investigation i can remember was the huge failure of the catholic church investigating child abuse within its ranks. If they had alerted the police rather than trying to investigate it themselves, then perhaps things would have turned out very different."

This is a very strange example to use. In this case the University wouldn't have been investigating itself. It would have been investigating the conduct of one of its employees. As Dr Thornton, the University's foremost expert on terrorism, points out, if he had been asked about the document he could have immediately explained that it was a text of no use whatsoever to potential terrorists (and, in fact, has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda). The University didn't - instead they relied on the prejudiced judgement of a Professor of Romance Languages that the documents in Yezza's possession were 'illegal' (they weren't - they are available from the University's library and the US Department of Justice website).

"I'd also add that it is up to the university as to whether they call the police or not."

It is and it is also their responsibility to show a duty of care to their students and staff. They have failed miserably at the latter.

"I guess in this day and age, anyone with " Al Qaeda Training Manual" on their computer is going cause a lot of suspicion. You can tell people to turn a blind eye, but ultimately people will make their own decisions. "

They will make their decisions but they should be held accountable for the results of those decisions. Yezza was almost deported out of the country and had to fight for years to get leave to remain in the country. He has only recently received his status papers. Sabir is frequently stopped at airports and questioned by Special Branch. He has had phones confiscated, cloned and posted back to him. He is frequently stopped and searched by police, even when leaving his house to smoke in his car! These are the human costs of that rash, prejudiced decision. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the University to account for the damage it has done.

When a member of staff took it upon themselves to properly research what happened and make it public (after having received no help from internal or external complaints procedures) legal threats were used to get the paper removed from academic websites and the member of staff was suspended. This is the latest twist in an ongoing authoritarian struggle by the University to silence its critics and assert its own lies about what happened. I think Rod Thornton deserves our support for whistleblowing and exposing what has gone on.

JB


The Al Qaeda Training Manual

16.05.2011 19:48

What exactly is the ‘Al Qaeda Training Manual’? It is a handwritten document (originally in Arabic) that was found in Manchester in 2000 by the police and translated by them into English. Its real title is ‘Declaration of Jihad against the Country’s Tyrants’ (or sometimes ‘Military Studies in the Jihad against the Tyrants’) and appears to have originated in Egypt in the early 1990s. It was designed to be used by Islamists opposing the Egyptian government in particular and secular Arab regimes more generally in the 1980s/1990s. The words ‘Al Qaeda’ actually do not appear in it once. It was only given the title ‘The Al Qaeda Training Manual’ by the US Department of Justice (US DoJ) which was using this document (having obtained it from the British police) as evidence in the trial in New York of the East African embassy bombers in 2000. The name was changed presumably in an attempt to ‘sex up’/‘spin’ the document to make it sound more ‘incriminating’ to a jury.

 http://www.teachingterrorism.net/2009/07/11/the-%E2%80%98al-qaeda-training-manual%E2%80%99-not/

Tuppence


wannabe terrorists is fantasists?

16.05.2011 23:16

There is an argument that: if it looks like a racist, talks like a racist, walks like a racist, then it probably is a racist.

I would argue that the same is true for terrorists.
Anyone reading this training manual has got to be viewed with suspicion in this day and age.

anon


@anon

17.05.2011 06:39

I suggest you read the comments above.

And how exactly do you look and walk 'like a terrorist?' This sounds like an argument for racism to me.

JB


@anon

17.05.2011 14:31

"To say that the university should of done its own investigation before calling the police.
This is ludicrous for two reasons. "

You either have not read the publication by Rob, or you are presenting a straw man argument, the emphasis by Rob is that a risk assessment should have been conducted, this has little if anything to do with internal investigation, and is common practice in all lines of work, and would have quickly led to the realisation that their was no threat.

James


answers

17.05.2011 16:22

>> "I'd also add that it is up to the university as to whether they call the police or not."
It is and it is also their responsibility to show a duty of care to their students and staff. They have failed miserably at the latter.

They reported a suspicion to the police. They don't have a duty to protect anyone from a police investigation. In fact, it would be morally and legally incorrect to do so.


>> "I guess in this day and age, anyone with " Al Qaeda Training Manual" on their computer is going cause a lot of suspicion. You can tell people to turn a blind eye, but ultimately people will make their own decisions. "
>> They will make their decisions but they should be held accountable for the results of those decisions.

Accountable for the actions of the police? Are you mad?
So, if i witness and report a hit-and-run incident to the police, then I would become accountable for that decision?! You are an idiot. Heres one for you.... The two students should be made accountable for their decisions. Hows that fit with your logic.


>> You either have not read the publication by Rob, or you are presenting a straw man argument, the emphasis by Rob is that a risk assessment should have been conducted, this has little if anything to do with internal investigation, and is common practice in all lines of work, and would have quickly led to the realisation that their was no threat.

I fail to see your point. A risk assessment IS an internal investigation. They'd investigate it ("what is on the computer?"), and then risk assess it ("is it bad?"). An clearer example is if you saw a smoke filled room, then you call the fire brigage - you don't waste time investigating it. The university and Rob are not qualified to do a risk assessment. In fact, they would open themselves up to accusations of concealment and incompetence and possible charges of negligence.

The think the university did the right thing. What the real fail on is that the politicians blew it into a major plot which is obviously wrong (assuming we have all the facts).


anon


@anon

17.05.2011 19:52

You clearly still haven't read the paper. Read it and then comment.

'They reported a suspicion to the police.'

But where did that suspicion come from? Was it rational and reasonable? That's the question that Rod Thornton has answered with a resounding 'No!'

'So, if i witness and report a hit-and-run incident to the police, then I would become accountable for that decision?!'

Not a very good analogy - Hit and run is a crime. Getting a book out of the library is not. Even owning materials that would be useful to a terrorist (which wasn't the case here) is not illegal.

'You are an idiot.'

Good to see you haven't resorted to insults :)

'Heres one for you.... The two students should be made accountable for their decisions. Hows that fit with your logic.'

By this same logic Jean Charles de Menezes was accountable for his own execution, women wearing short skirts are accountable for their own rape, etc. No. People who have prejudices about race, religion, gender, etc should be accountable for their actions, not their victims.

'The think the university did the right thing.'

OK. Let's ignore for a minute whether it was right or not for the University to make the call on whether a document was 'legitimate' or not. Let's decide that taking a Professor of Romance Languages' call that the document was 'illegal' was the right one. Isn't it wrong that the University refused to admit that they got it wrong, refused to help the men in any way and in fact conspired to tarnish their images and kick them out of the uni? Isn't it wrong that they're silencing any attempt to investigate their actions?

JB


thanks

17.05.2011 21:45

>> 'They reported a suspicion to the police.'
>> But where did that suspicion come from? Was it rational and reasonable? That's the >> question that Rod Thornton has answered with a resounding 'No!'

Again, This wasn't a democratic decision whereby anyone can just throw their 2pence in.
The university wanted to play it cautious, the police wanted to investigate it thoroughly. It is their decision, not Rod Thornton. With all respect to Rod Thornton, I imagine he has little or no experience of investigation, is not trained to do so, and certainly is not authorised to.

Its all very well writing a long paper on it with the benefit of hindsight. Well done - but we can all do that. Heres one for you. Years ago, some protestors broke into an Eon power plant and locked themselves to one of the feeding conveyors. Little did they realise, this was the bio-fuel one, so the plant guys had to put more coal on the other 2 conveyors, thus producing more coal-based CO2 than if the protestors had done nothing. They were even told but continued to stay locked to it. With hindsight, I can now sit here and write a paper on how dumb all their decisions were and how they failed the climate change movement, and how much better my decisions would have been if I was in charge.

>> 'So, if i witness and report a hit-and-run incident to the police, then I would become accountable for that decision?!'
>> Not a very good analogy - Hit and run is a crime. Getting a book out of the library is not. Even owning materials that would be useful to a terrorist (which wasn't the case here) is not illegal.

Neither is reporting suspicious behaviour to the police. You can say "they should be held accountable"........ but that isn't the law....... so they actually shouldn't regardless of what you "think".


>> 'You are an idiot.'
>> Good to see you haven't resorted to insults :)
It a normal descriptive word in the English language. An idiot can be someone who is significantly counter-productice.

>> 'Heres one for you.... The two students should be made accountable for their decisions. >> Hows that fit with your logic.'
>> By this same logic Jean Charles de Menezes was accountable for his own execution, women wearing short skirts are accountable for their own rape, etc. No. People who have prejudices about race, religion, gender, etc should be accountable for their actions, not their victims.

Anyone who walks alone through a deserted park during the night in a short skirt has made a risk assessment. Some people will do it, some won't. The ones that don't are less likely to get raped. Each to their own - but its naive not to understand the truths of the world.

Being asian and booking out the Al Qaeda Training Manual and complaining about how people might get suspicious, is like walking through the African veld on your own and complaining about the Lions looking at you. If you think you can jump up and down and demand that they don't then you are very dumb.

Thats the way the world works. To think otherwise is just burying your head in the sand. You can moan about how unjust/unfair/illegal it is all your want and yes you will be correct. And you can go on and on about how correct you are and be even more correct.

But, you will be wrong if you think the world will bend to your feelings of what is correct or not. If you were in charge and ordered the the police to sit on their hands waiting for terrorists to blow things up and not investigate suspicious behaviour then the chances of an attack being stopped would be reduced. If, heaven forbid, an attack did occur then you would be directly responsible for the failings in preventing it. So, in trying to protect people's rights, you have actually failed to protect their lives. That is a failure to do your job, and morally reprehensible.
This is why people moan about guardian reading hand-wringing lefties who seem to set themselves up to be victims.

>> 'The think the university did the right thing.'
>> OK. Let's ignore for a minute whether it was right or not for the University to make the call on whether a document was 'legitimate' or not. Let's decide that taking a Professor of Romance Languages' call that the document was 'illegal' was the right one. Isn't it wrong that the University refused to admit that they got it wrong, refused to help the men in any way and in fact conspired to tarnish their images and kick them out of the uni? Isn't it wrong that they're silencing any attempt to investigate their actions?

Yes, in my opinion - I totally agree. But my opinion (like yours) means nothing. Its a risk assessment. They erred on the side of caution as any sane person when faced with a couple of asians with a terrorist manual. It was their choice, not yours or mine.

Did they do anything wrong? Well, its not really up to you or I to decide. I would imagine a court somewhere would decide if they were wrong or not.

thank you

anon


anon finally gets to the point

18.05.2011 06:45

"They erred on the side of caution as any sane person when faced with a couple of asians with a terrorist manual."

i.e. they were racist and anon thinks that was a "sane" decision. Jog on!

Anti-racist


@anon

18.05.2011 10:04

'You can say "they should be held accountable"........ but that isn't the law....... so they actually shouldn't regardless of what you "think".'

Well the University themselves seem to think otherwise. That is why senior management have lied to staff and students claiming that they made a risk assessment and that the decision was a collective one (even though, as Thornton points out, the Registrar has admitted that he was the one who made the decision). Why would they do that if they didn't feel the need to cover up what really happened?

'It a normal descriptive word in the English language. An idiot can be someone who is significantly counter-productice.'

An idiot is a 'foolish or stupid person' or 'a person affected with extreme mental retardation'. As with most of your conclusions here, your argument is based on something you made up rather than fact.

'Anyone who walks alone through a deserted park during the night in a short skirt has made a risk assessment. Some people will do it, some won't. The ones that don't are less likely to get raped. Each to their own - but its naive not to understand the truths of the world.'

This is truly beyond belief. You are clearly trolling here if you actually believe that you are doling out 'the truths of the world'. You clearly understand nothing about rape which is why you are making such offensive remarks.

'Being asian and booking out the Al Qaeda Training Manual and complaining about how people might get suspicious, is like walking through the African veld on your own and complaining about the Lions looking at you'

For a start, let's get the basic facts straight. Yezza is African and Sabir is British of Pakistani descent. They are both Muslim though if that's what you're getting at. (Like the EDL, you don't seem to be able to distinguish between the two).

I, and Dr Thornton, and I imagine most people who read this site, think there's something very wrong about the fact that Muslims are under greater suspicion than anyone else when it comes to terrorism. That what they do is seen to be inherently more suspicious than what any one else does is prejudiced and very wrong. I don't think people, like the University's Registrar, should be allowed to get away with treating people like that. If we all just shrugged our shoulders and said 'it's the truths of the world' we'd live in a very shit world indeed. That's why we get involved in campaigns like this one.

'But, you will be wrong if you think the world will bend to your feelings of what is correct or not. If you were in charge and ordered the the police to sit on their hands waiting for terrorists to blow things up and not investigate suspicious behaviour then the chances of an attack being stopped would be reduced.'

Yes but suspicion in this case was based on prejudice rather than fact. That's the problem that could easily have been cleared up. There was never any risk in this case apart from in the minds of islamophobes.

'They erred on the side of caution as any sane person when faced with a couple of asians with a terrorist manual.'

It's already been said, but needs to keep being pointed out. This is a racist statement. Why should 'asians' (Muslims) be treated differently to anyone else in this situation? Even if it was a terrorist manual, which it wasn't.

'Did they do anything wrong? Well, its not really up to you or I to decide.'

Yes - of course it is. It seems like you derogate all your responsibilities to the authorities and let them tell you what to do and think. I think for myself and make my own decisions and take responsibility for them. I suspect you just follow orders.

JB


@anon

18.05.2011 10:08

"An clearer example is if you saw a smoke filled room, then you call the fire brigage - you don't waste time investigating it. "

I now realise the mistake you are making. The AQTM which is freely available to download from the United States Department of Justice Website, and from Amazon is not illegal, nor contains any information on bomb making, and which is stocked in Nottingham University's very own library, will not - either in electric or paper form cause a massive devastating explosion. I guess if you were there, you would evacuate the building, seal off the area, and have the computer blown up in a controlled explosion.

"A risk assessment IS an internal investigation."

Please let me know where you work, so that I can prolong my life/health my steering well clear.

James


@anon

18.05.2011 10:28

"a risk assessment IS an internal investigation"

Internal Investigation:

Corporate fact finding investigations - - generally referred to as an “internal investigation” because the company is sponsoring the investigation rather than a third party, most typically the government – consists generally of five basic phases - -(i) planning, (ii) covert investigation, (iii) transitional confrontation, (iv) overt investigation, and (v) reporting. While these phases generally follow one another, in a larger internal investigation the investigative plan allows flexibility to switch back and forth between phases; that is, changing the circumstances may require the investigative team to return to the covert or transition phases even though the team is already conducting an overt investigation.

Risk assessment:

Risk assessment is a step in a risk management procedure. Risk assessment is the determination of quantitative or qualitative value of risk related to a concrete situation and a recognized threat (also called hazard). Quantitative risk assessment requires calculations of two components of risk: R, the magnitude of the potential loss L, and the probability p, that the loss will occur.

Methods may differ whether it is about general financial decisions or environmental, ecological, or public health risk assessment.


Hope that's cleared that up for you.

James


anon

18.05.2011 16:39

Thankyou for all your responses. I cannot answer all as it would take a lot of time. So I'm just going to pick out a few key issues that I strongly disagree with.

>> I, and Dr Thornton, and I imagine most people who read this site, think there's something very wrong about the fact that Muslims are under greater suspicion than anyone else when it comes to terrorism. That what they do is seen to be inherently more suspicious than what any one else does is prejudiced and very wrong...............

>> t's already been said, but needs to keep being pointed out. This is a racist statement. Why should 'asians' (Muslims) be treated differently to anyone else in this situation? Even if it was a terrorist manual, which it wasn't.

People will suspect Muslims with greater suspicion than anyone else when it comes to Al Qaeda Terrorist Manuals, because of the simple fact that most of these terrorists are Muslims. When is the last time you saw a 6foot blonde Al Qaeda terrorist?
To expect people's decision making to block out this blatant fact from this decision process because it is "racist" is ludicrous.

The same happened in Australia during the 2nd world war. All the japanese residents were given the choice to leave or be taken inland because they might of acted as sabateurs.
Racist? but still a perfectly valid risk assessment based upon fact.

>> Yes - of course it is. It seems like you derogate all your responsibilities to the authorities and let them tell you what to do and think. I think for myself and make my own decisions and take responsibility for them. I suspect you just follow orders.
Not all my responsibilities. My opinions will have no bearing on this, and neither will yours.
Your decisions on this are hot air that will be ignored.

Thank you.

anon


anon

18.05.2011 20:15

"People will suspect Muslims with greater suspicion than anyone else when it comes to Al Qaeda Terrorist Manuals, because of the simple fact that most of these terrorists are Muslims. When is the last time you saw a 6foot blonde Al Qaeda terrorist?
To expect people's decision making to block out this blatant fact from this decision process because it is "racist" is ludicrous.



 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/6226935/Pakistan-discovers-village-of-white-German-al-Qaeda-insurgents.html



b.


anon

18.05.2011 21:02

A few people, myself included have picked up on the most obvious of facts: You have not read the paper by Dr. Thornton. Essentially you are arguing against what I thought was a well researched, if what at times repetitive, but thorough exposing of how the management of Nottingham University covered up, and apportioned blame to those who they had a duty of care to, and also set about trying to end the PHD of one of those they had already seriously harmed.

Your position therefore is woefully ignorant, and until you have read the piece will remain so, and providing you are not stubborn (which I suspect you might be), reading the publication will probably change your view on this, and if we are really lucky, possibly your world view. I would suggest you take the three hours or so needed to read Dr. Thornton's piece, or you risk continuing to sound like a rambling idiot.

James


Jihad Jane

18.05.2011 21:13

Terror hunter general


Don't waste your time, James

19.05.2011 06:41

anon is someone who is trying to push racist, misogynist views as 'the truth'. he will probably be back for more trolling soon.

Anti-racist


anon

19.05.2011 16:23

@Roger
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

@b.
 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/most

@Terror hunter general
 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/most

Thanks James,
I'm chugging through it now. Again, not sure how it is going to affect my opinions. I currently stand by my opinion that anyone running around with a book the same title as a terrorist training manual has got to expect people and organisations to want to dis-associate themselves from them in the same way that many would want to disassociate themselves from a nazi.

Put it this way: if I met a anyone (muslim or otherwise) with a terrorist book in their backpack, then I probably wouldn't want anything to do with them. That is my right, nobody can force me not to. Why? because i don't like terrorists, either real ones, walter-mitty ones, or ones sympathic to their ways.

And it is no use considering me a one off. Outside of this little, weird bubble of a site, most people in the UKs 60 odd million will agree with me. (Most in the true, original sense of the word, rather than most as in 1 person like some people seem to think).

anon


You're just embarassing yourself now

19.05.2011 21:03

'I currently stand by my opinion that anyone running around with a book the same title as a terrorist training manual has got to expect people and organisations to want to dis-associate themselves from them in the same way that many would want to disassociate themselves from a nazi. '

Really? Even students of counter-terrorism? How are they ever going to perfect that risk assessment against terrorism if they're not allowed to study terrorism? Oh yeah, they just look for the nearest bearded brown man and scream 'terrorist' at him.

'Outside of this little, weird bubble of a site, most people in the UKs 60 odd million will agree with me.'

If you don't like the site you don't have to comment here. As to most people agreeing with, I think it's unlikely. But anyway, most people in 1930s Germany thought Hitler had the right idea. Most white South Africans in the 1980s were happy with apartheid. Most Americans in the time of the slave trade thought it was a cracking idea... I think you'll see my point.

By the way, have you managed to find the dictionary entry describing an idiot as 'someone who is significantly counter-productice' yet?

JB


the little boy JB can write

19.05.2011 22:54

>> Really? Even students of counter-terrorism?
Yes really - because that is what has happened! It is fact as you have witnessed; as opposed to your "But...but... I want everyone in the world to think like me.". FYI - they don't.

How are they ever going to perfect that risk assessment against terrorism if they're not allowed to study terrorism?
Beginnings of a strawman argument: they weren't studying Counter-terrorism, they were studying Terrorism (its in the report if you must know). It would be like me saying they are studying Devil worship - they weren't.

>> Oh yeah, they just look for the nearest bearded brown man and scream 'terrorist' at him.
(my amendment: ...with a terrorist handbook).

OK then, following your logic: if you saw a chap in the street with a skinhead, a union jack t-shirt, and an EDL hat and a blood & honour coat on, you would be totally prejudiced to make any judgements on that person.
I say.... what a load of crap. I say... you should be allowed to make whatever judgement you like. I say... you should be able to call that person a racist if you want to.
Whats your thoughts on that?


>> 'Outside of this little, weird bubble of a site, most people in the UKs 60 odd million will agree with me.' . If you don't like the site you don't have to comment here.
Lame attempt at censorship. Subtle form of: "Do not write your opinions on here."

>> As to most people agreeing with, I think it's unlikely. But anyway, most people in 1930s Germany thought Hitler had the right idea. Most white South Africans in the 1980s were happy with apartheid. Most Americans in the time of the slave trade thought it was a cracking idea... I think you'll see my point.
Most people in the world thought Hitler was wrong; most people in the world thought apartheid was wrong, most people think that terrorism is wrong.... i think you see my point.

>> By the way, have you managed to find the dictionary entry describing an idiot as 'someone who is significantly counter-productice' yet?
It was pretty easy. I just typed "idiot" into google and clicked on the first link through to wikipedia. Then i read the words that defined what an idiot was. Then I re-checked it against some dictionary sites to re-affirm its correctness. Surprised that you didn't have the capacity to do this yourself. But, not at all surprised that it clearly shows you are a man or woman who is too lazy to check facts and just relies on what they "think" the answer is to everything. Somebody who fails to see the truth based on research and facts, but rather relies on what they want the truth to be.

Thank you. I think we shall end this now. Please feel free to reply is you so desire, but I'll finish my main writing there. Alas, I guess I should remember the quote:
“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”
- Robert Heinlein

anon


most

19.05.2011 22:56

b.


@b.

19.05.2011 23:05

lol brilliant! sorry i need to go get a glass of water

anon


anon

20.05.2011 08:57

simple question, you are trying to insinuate that you said most Islamic terrorists have dark skin, when in fact you have not said that anywhere.

"When is the last time you saw a 6foot blonde Al Qaeda terrorist? "

b.


comments on some of aron's points

20.05.2011 09:15

@aron

Beginnings of a strawman argument: they weren't studying Counter-terrorism, they were studying Terrorism (its in the report if you must know). It would be like me saying they are studying Devil worship - they weren't.

If people study anti-X, they need to understand X, especially while doing a research. For students studying anti-terrorism (not any random guy), it's natural for them to understand terrorism. If you don't understand how terrorists work, how can you fight against them efficiently? If you want to understand terrorism, the Terrorist Manuals are legitimate references. Just like if you are a student doing serious research about the thought of Wittgenstein, his book "Tractatus" is a must. You cannot do a good research if you only absorb second hand information.

Also, what you said actually ruled out the right of Muslin to study anti-terrorism, especially fighting against Al Qaeda, since they will become suspicious when they doing their research.


People will suspect Muslims with greater suspicion than anyone else when it comes to Al Qaeda Terrorist Manuals, because of the simple fact that most of these terrorists are Muslims. When is the last time you saw a 6foot blonde Al Qaeda terrorist?


German people did lots of research on Nazi, so they are all very likely Nazis? Irish Republican Army was also viewed as terrorists. You mean those two guys will be fine if they study Irish Republican Army?





Put it this way: if I met a anyone (muslim or otherwise) with a terrorist book in their backpack, then I probably wouldn't want anything to do with them. That is my right, nobody can force me not to. Why? because i don't like terrorists, either real ones, walter-mitty ones, or ones sympathic to their ways.

Ya, according to your logic, people have books with the title "Criminal Psychology" in their backpack are probably criminals; if a person is reading Almagest, you will think he/she believes Earth is the center of the solar system. You are claiming that people who read X, are willing to become, or believe X, which is not the case in reality. Otherwise we can force everyone reading bible and then we'll have a Christian world, but we all know that is not true.



Most people in the world thought Hitler was wrong; most people in the world thought apartheid was wrong, most people think that terrorism is wrong.... i think you see my point.


Thousands years ago, almost all people thought Earth is flat. Claiming majority won't make your arguments correct. Not to mention the validity of your assumption that most of UK will agree with you is still remain unproved.

Also, most people "now" think Hitler was wring. Most people "now" think apartheid was wrong.
You totally missed JB's point.

turbulence


Insults are a sign that you're losing the argument

20.05.2011 16:47

'Idiot' and now 'little boy' and 'pig' to boot!

Here are the first four dictionary definitions for idiot that Google produces:

 http://www.thefreedictionary.com/idiot
1. A foolish or stupid person.
2. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot
1 usually offensive : a person affected with extreme mental retardation
2 : a foolish or stupid person

 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idiot
1. an utterly foolish or senseless person.
2. Psychology. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

 http://dictionary.sensagent.com/idiot/en-en/
1.a person of subnormal intelligence
2.(informal)someone who is regarded as contemptible

I am glad you have decided to take your prejudiced views about Muslims elsewhere.

JB


Heinlein is an appropriate choice

20.05.2011 18:13

It's appropriate for anon to quote Heinlein, an authoritarian militarist. According to Michael Moorcock, in Starship Stormtroopers ( http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13253), to Heinlein and other authoritarian SF writers:
"the working class is a mindless beast which must be controlled or it will savage the world (i.e. bourgeois security) -- the answer is always leadership, "decency," paternalism (Heinlein in particular strong on this)"

He continues "In Starship Troopers [Heinlein serial] we find a slightly rebellious cadet gradually learning that wars are inevitable, that the army is always right, that his duty is to obey the rules and protect the human race against the alien menace. It is pure debased Ford out of Kipling and it set the pattern for Heinlein's more ambitious paternalistic, xenophobic -- but equally sentimental -- stories which became for me steadily more hilarious until I realised with some surprise that people were taking them as seriously as they had taken, say, Atlas Shrugged a generation before -- in hundreds of thousands!"

"Heinlein's paternalism is at heart the same as [John] Wayne's. In the final analysis it is a kind of easy-going militarism favoured by the veteran professional soldier: the chain of command is complex; many adult responsibilities can be left to that chain as long as broad, but firmly-enforced, rules from "high up" are adhered to... To be a rugged individualist a la Heinlein and others is to be forever a child who must obey, charm and cajole to be tolerated by some benign, omniscient father"

Sci fi fan


anon

20.05.2011 19:39

>> I am glad you have decided to take your prejudiced views about Muslims elsewhere.
I thought you'd be horrified that I was spreading my prejudiced views elsewhere.

Speaking of prejudice, I assume you think that it is bad and should not be allowed?
Well, what about the people on this site so go on about Obama being like a "white" man or that big fatties with their big "white" bellies are all the EDL.

You lot are just as prejudiced as the rest of us. I've seen anti-fascists shouting at people who wave union jacks. I've seen animal watsits have a go at people for drinking milk. And most of you seem to hate the middle class as a collective - just slightly prejudiced.... to convey that all the middle class are evil. Or that ACAB...... i mean are they? Are all coppers really bastards? Is that one that saved a little girls life really a bastard? What about the ones that work their ass off to catch the local rapist? Is he a bastard because ACAB?

Then you have a go at someone because they have a distrust of a muslim who is reading a terrorist training manual, and how that is wrong because it is prejudiced and assumes that all muslims are terrorists.

Hypocrites. THe working class is sooooooo prejudiced and up its own arse with chips on its shoulder concerning the middle-class, the coppers that they hate them all regardless of what the individual's attributes are. Its just a "all muslims are terrorists" attitude that you bitch about so much yet seem to do everyday yourselves.



>> Heinlein is an appropriate choice
You need to expand on that because I have no idea what your opinion is. You can't just cut and paste somebody elses voice because it shows you have no thoughts of your own. Don't be shy :) All i know about starship troopers is there was a load of bugs out to get the humans and the humans went out and kicked their butt. Hooorarrrrrr!





anon the troll


@JB

20.05.2011 19:42

Sorry forgot to say, sorry about the insults. They were meant in a light hearted way.
Sorry if any offence was caused - it wasn't meant to be serious. However, sincere apologise.

I'd argue that someone who wins an argument actually resorts to insults as a victory putdown, rather than the other way around. People who lose, usually just go into a sulk

anon


Academic freedom and 'dangerous ideas'

23.05.2011 06:50

 http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115209548781438.html

There is this absurd idea that universitiesf are somehow "ivory towers", that they are separate from the real world, from the influence of politics and power. Nothing could be further from the truth, as the exponential growth of "terrorism studies" demonstrates.

Academics and universities are profoundly shaped by power. And they, in turn, shape politics and society. Anthropology developed alongside empire. Physics looks the way it does because of funding for nuclear weapons and nuclear energy research. Area studies was more or less a creation of the US department of defence, which sought knowledge of all the places threatened by communism.

Naturally, entrepreneurial academics and university administrators are on the lookout for whatever new knowledge power and money think they need - mostly science, technology, and medicine but also law schools, business schools, and public policy programs. Their efforts attract funding, which provides resources, which further develops these areas, shaping the very nature of the contemporary university.

The illusion that knowledge can be free from power is the supreme marketing advantage of universities. Free inquiry produces the best ideas, which then can be put to work in the real world for profit, comfort, health, and security. The great universities of the developed world grew under this illusion, and society and economy benefitted enormously from their research and teaching.

But ideas are also volatile and potentially threatening, and they can be untoward and inconvenient, especially when they concern politics and violence. I once was invited to a particularly inspired conference on a sub-industry in terrorism studies called "radicalisation". This is the idea that one can study how people - Muslims, primarily - become "radicalised" and turn to violence.

'Radicalisation' as a dangerous theory

The conference was inspired because it was held in South Africa. Radicals who had fought body and soul against apartheid were present. They had a rather different appreciation of what it meant to be radical than the Western and Israeli security academics and officials in attendance.

Back in the West, "radicalisation" was concerned with identifying and combating dangerous ideas and their bearers. But the politics of "the War on Terror" determined the limits of thought. In Tony Blair's Britain, radicalisation of British Muslims could not be blamed on the war in Iraq. As elsewhere in Europe, it was supposed to be about the failure of Muslims to properly integrate, the result of a multiculturalism that was too tolerant.

"Radicalisation" was indeed a dangerous idea and began to affect what was happening in both politics and in universities. Research councils in the UK funnelled money into "policy relevant" research on the topic. The imprimatur of academic research helped foster the belief that various texts and websites, personalities and forums were a threat to public security.

The universities now found themselves portrayed as sites of radicalisation, as places where dangerous ideas infected vulnerable Muslims. Apparently, University College London is to blame for the bomb in Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's underwear.

A conflict ensued between the university's purpose-free inquiry - and the politics of "the War on Terror". Controls on reading lists, libraries, outside speakers, and student organisations were debated. In a delightful Catch-22, some of the very texts and websites used by teachers and researchers in terrorism studies were now considered "radicalising".

Universities in the rosy blush of Enlightenment self-confidence would brush off the notion that they were supposed to restrict rather than foster debate about "national security".

Even the cynical university manager would know that the brand of his enterprise was at stake. Give in to too many demands to control thought and adapt to the politics of the day, and it would be fatally compromised. The communists and homosexuals can be handed over to Senator McCarthy - but after that he will have to be stopped for the sake of freedom of thought.

But there is another domain in which universities are not separate from society: neoliberalism's destructive management culture. There is little notion here of free thinking, but much desire to radically restructure everything existing in the cause of one's own career and bank balance. The university version is astounding for its combination of incompetence and acute sensitivity to prevailing winds.

Freedom to think, just not about Islam

The result is beyond farce, as events at the University of Nottingham have demonstrated. A graduate student, Rizwaan Sabir, asked his friend for advice on a document he was using for his research on terrorism. The document was originally called "Military Studies in the Jihad against the Tyrants" and the friend, Hicham Yezza, was a member of staff in the modern languages department. Versions of it were in the university's own library.

In the hysteria generated by fears of "terrorists" in our midst, the model citizen, channelling their inner Jack Bauer, is the one who turns in their neighbours in a timely fashion.

And so when a colleague discovered the document on Yezza's computer, the police were called with undue haste, within hours. University officials did not pause to consult Sabir's teachers or the university's own terrorism experts, which included a former British army officer, Dr Rod Thornton. But an academic involved from the very beginning, a professor of literature no less, did assure police officers that the document in question was not "legitimate material" and was "illegal". A university official announced the document had "no valid reason to exist" and was "utterly indefensible".

Sabir and Yezza were sent off to six days of detention and interrogation, the beginning of a long saga for them and their families with counter-terror police and, in Yezza's case, the immigration authorities. They were eventually cleared.

The university reacted like a company whose brand was under threat, but one which had forgotten its brand was academic freedom, not witch hunting. An apology and a campus-wide period of reflection and debate would have settled the matter. Instead, no mistake was to be admitted - lest harm come to the careers of university managers.

In the neoliberal era, when a company is publically criticised for good reason, managers seek redress in the courts over matters of libel, as in the McLibel affair. When their own employees speak out, they are disciplined, fired, or sued. In such ways does the cold grip of private power strangle public speech.

Accordingly, the University of Nottingham has used disciplinary procedures and harassment to silence any criticism of its actions from its own staff. Most recently, it suspended Dr Thornton for presenting details of the sordid affair at an academic conference. For good measure, it used legal threats to force the academic association that sponsored the conference to remove his paper from their website. Al Jazeera readers can find it here.

And so, in the twilight days of a war fought in the name of civilisation, a Western university has substituted logics of libel and defamation for free speech, and filed academic freedom away in some forgotten corner of its human resources department. A civilisation dying to the smooth roll of filing cabinets closing and pens scribbling on the bottom line, so completely have neoliberalism and "the War on Terror" hollowed out the values of the West - even in its "ivory towers".

Just passing through