Nice work! Great to hear about this kind of stuff kicking off in the UK, Love and solidarity x

May the flames continue to spread across the UK - and not only - in preparation for a long, hot summer...

Love and rage to comrades all over the world, and in UK, inside and outside the prison walls.

.......Respect to you for going the next level. I personally don`t have the balls.

Second, and here I sound like me old man (RIP). For fucks sake don`t get caught. Tell no one
ever, don`t ever write this down and destroy all clothing and footware. Keep off the internet. When we hear that this kind of target has been set on fire we will know its you and raise a glass to you.

The police have a dedicated force that looks into serious crimes, massive resources and powers

Arson carries a 10 Year minimum sentence. I was in prison with political arsonists and they had a rough ride. The support for their actions lasted about 1 year, then nothing. A lot can be done in 10 years.

Good luck

Big Knob

If you don't want "tabs and tags" kept on you, how about you don't commit crimes? Wow, what a crazy concept.

Do you realise that the people you have targeted are those who work a difficult, ill-paid and often thankless job in order to rehabilitate offenders (many of whom pose a risk to others - including yourselves! - if they are not monitored) in the community rather than keeping them in prison for extended periods of time? Which would you say is the better option? And don't you think it might actually be *appropriate* to want violent criminals, sex offenders, perpetrators of domestic violence, etc. to "calm down" (I'm assuming that by "calm down" you mean "stop committing offences").


Your only accomplishment here is that you have given anyone with half a brain an extremely negative view of your cause.

Oh and I'd like to point out that the majority of your post made no sense whatsoever. Maybe learn what words actually mean before using them next time, hmm? You just sound like an idiot.

It always amazes me when you hear criminals complaining about their sentences and expect people to take them seriously.

Cause and effect -- You do the crime, you pay the time.
If you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.

This is real basic stuff guys.

respect ...and solidarity from italy !!! here is being busy as well LOVE AND RAGE international solidarity action group

Anon, to suggest that anyone committing a crime deserves to be hounded is a very popular opinion these days, but how about a brief history lesson on Mandela in South Africa, Gandhi in India, Malcolm X and Luther King in USA, the suffragettes in UK ... we all support their causes now and see them as heroes. Today's scum are tomorrow's heroes as the disempowerment machine spins its ludicrous dialogue encouraging us to seek heroes from the past but NEVER, REPEAT NEVER do what they did in the present. After all, all the world's problems are sorted now - there's no need for action ... right?

Nazi Germany showed us how easily an entire (traditionally liberal) nation can turn to the lowest of the authoritarian lows if the leading class tells us it is the morally right thing to do. Various psychological experiments that followed have shown us the depth of our ability to follow the leader - in fact one showed that we will kill complete strangers without remorse if someone in power tells us to. I'd suggest that, with your attitude, in Nazi Germany you'd have been out there smashing windows with the fash, in Apartheid South Africa you'd be out beating up the blix.

I don't mean this to offend you (although I'm sure it will). Please rest assured I don't blame the entire German race for the rise of Nazism - while the actions of the leaders were abhorrent, the reaction of the public I think could be replicated with any population, given the correct circumstances (hence why I'm shitting myself about the return of Nazism given the current economic climate - very similar to that which saw Hitler et al rise). However I do think if they had stood up and refused to allow it to happen, we could have avoided the horrendous consequences of Nazi rule. If you don't wish to act, I can't say I blame you - it can be pretty tumultuous and extraordinarily upsetting. But coming on here and criticising others for their attempts to build a better world for themselves and those around them - that's just low.

Oh and I'd like to point out that I understood the entirety of the original post. Maybe learn what words actually mean before claiming something doesn't make sense next time, hmm? You just sound like an idiot.

well said, and to 'anon' - just piss off and kill yourself then.wanker.

solidarity to the BRAVE souls that did this action......more of the same please.....

Err.. not sure if I follow. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't really see how anonymously torching a few vans outside a probation office is comparable to the actions of Nelson Mandela, Ghandi, etc.? Maybe I *do* need a quick history lesson because I don't see how that's similar, at all.

Did you just compare me to supporters of the Nazi party because I don't think petty pointless vandalism is a good way of expressing your opinion? Ok...

I'm not offended, I'm just baffled - I'm obviously too stupid, narrow-minded and brain-washed to understand how the examples you gave are in any way comparable to this situation.

"Piss off and kill yourself"? Really? Very eloquent argument there. You're just reinforcing my view that many of the people who support these kind of actions are fucking morons. I'd appreciate it if you could explain to me how anonymously setting fire to a few vehicles can be considered "brave". It strikes me as being extremely cowardly, actually, as well as being utterly pointless. Maybe I'm missing something. I think there are braver and more productive ways of getting your views across than petty vandalism.

"Anon, to suggest that anyone committing a crime deserves to be hounded is a very popular opinion these days, but how about a brief history lesson on Mandela in South Africa, Gandhi in India, Malcolm X and Luther King in USA, the suffragettes in UK ... we all support their causes now and see them as heroes."

I wasn't aware that the probation office was involved in quashing any political movement to prevent widespread racial segregation in the UK, or Bristol, or Stokes Croft/St Pauls, I wish someone would do something constructive to raise awareness of this issue though. I think a poster campaign (or similar) highlighting exactly how the probation office is doing these things would possibly be a more thoughtful way to go about things. I mean, you wouldn't want to endorse anything rash happening that could marginalise any legitimate concerns you/the individuals involved have about society, would you?

Oh, and love your work...

>> Anon, to suggest that anyone committing a crime deserves to be hounded is a very popular opinion these days, but how about a brief history lesson on Mandela in South Africa, Gandhi in India, Malcolm X and Luther King in USA, the suffragettes in UK ... we all support their causes now and see them as heroes. Today's scum are tomorrow's heroes as the disempowerment machine spins its ludicrous dialogue encouraging us to seek heroes from the past but NEVER, REPEAT NEVER do what they did in the present. After all, all the world's problems are sorted now - there's no need for action ... right?

Thank you for your intelligent reply (unlike some morons). Firstly, I'm pretty sure that the chap writing this article is not Gandhi, Mandela or Malcolm X. I'm not 100% sure, but i am 99.999999999999% sure of it.

I'd argue that most criminals probably think they have a just cause for their actions. The druggy mugged the old lady because he needed his fix. The armed robbers took out the post office because they can afford it and it won't harm anyone. The list goes on. Just because a criminal thinks their action is correct and justified, doesn't mean it is.

If you start opening the gates on the "Well, they felt justified, therefore they should be let off without any punishment.", then where do you stop? Suddenly, everyone criminal from racketeers to people smugglers will be saying "I did it for political reasons - let me off."
I dread to think what would happen at court if someone like you was in charge, you'd end up just letting everyone off. You need to be stronger.

>> Nazi Germany showed us how easily an entire (traditionally liberal) nation can turn to the lowest of the authoritarian lows if the leading class tells us it is the morally right thing to do. Various psychological experiments that followed have shown us the depth of our ability to follow the leader......

I think the "morally right thing" to do is for the people to repay for the damage they have done out of their own pocket. To say that our leaders are making me think that is condescending and sugggests that I am not allowed a viewpoint of my own.
Various psychological experiments have shown that victims side with the criminals who are causing their misery. Think of the wife who stands by her husband who beats her. Or the victim who sides with their kidnappers.

If you want to be a victim and are happy to be taxed to repay for this damage rather than making the criminals pay for it, then thats your business. But it strikes me as a bit of a victim mentality going on. Myself, I have better things to do with my money.

>> However I do think if they had stood up and refused to allow it to happen, we could have avoided the horrendous consequences of Nazi rule. If you don't wish to act, I can't say I blame you - it can be pretty tumultuous and extraordinarily upsetting. But coming on here and criticising others for their attempts to build a better world for themselves and those around them - that's just low.

Personally, I don't think we are going under Nazi rule. So there isn't really anything to stand up against. Building a better world? I don't think they are though.... i think it is just burning some vans for no good reason.

"Nazi Germany showed us how easily an entire (traditionally liberal) nation can turn to the lowest of the authoritarian lows if the leading class tells us it is the morally right thing to do."

Surely the argument here is how to avoid the moral low ground.