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Thoughts on the black bloc

a marcher | 20.04.2011 21:06

I was marching with London Coalition Against Poverty (LCAP) on the March for the Alternative on Saturday 26th March when the black bloc came down Piccadilly. I, along with the people I was marching with supported the actions taken against the banks and the Ritz. I wanted to write down my experiences to express what it was like to be on the other side of the block. I am not writing to condemn violence or property damage, but I hope that this could help those involved reflect on how the black bloc related to the other marchers that day.

London Coalition Against Poverty is an umbrella for various self help, mutual aid groups who campaign around benefits and housing issues and against poverty. We had a contingent of around thirty members who marched together. I really enjoyed being part of such a large march. I think it helped all of us to feel we are not isolated, while we can feel that way sometimes in our every day activities. It was good to see such a diverse crowd of people, all affected by the cuts in one way or another.

As we walked down Piccadilly hundreds of people wearing masks and black clothes entered the march. Loud bangs from fireworks and bangers came from our right, making us jump and banks were splattered with paint. I was worried about the children in our group. I stuck close to a double buggy with two babies in it, wondering what would happen if the police charged. Their mother was less concerned then me. There was some smoke in the air from the bangers and one of our group, an asthmatic, started having difficulties breathing. Luckily we were able to go down a side street to get some space because the police were not kettling us or trying to surround us. I’ve been on many demonstrations where that wouldn’t have been possible. After a while the person who had had the asthma attack was able to continue on the demonstration.

By this point the TUC stewards had blocked off the march saying ‘there is a bottle neck down there, we need to create some space’. We realized that they wanted to separate the march from the black bloc, possibly so the police could move in, and we refused to allow this. We continued to march and called on the rest of the people to join us. The march joined up and we marched behind the black bloc into Hyde Park.

We talked afterwards in the park about what had happened. We had different opinions but many of us felt that it was good that some people had taken a risk to make sure the government wouldn’t easily ignore the demonstration. However, the experience left me feeling uncomfortable. Some suggestions for the future could be to use medics on a black bloc to look out for people who might be panicked or unwell, because not everyone is lucky enough to march with a supportive group of people. I couldn’t see what the point was of the bangers and fireworks; they made the atmosphere more tense. Even though I knew what the black bloc tactic means; being on the other side of it was very disempowering.

The way the action was organised made it feel like it was very separate from most people on the march, rather than encouraging people to think about ways they could participate in more disruptive action. Actions against the cuts must escalate if they are going to work and of course there will be different things happening in different ways. However, we will be stronger the more people can get involved and feel ownership of what they are doing. One example of an alternative tactic could be to encourage the crowd take part in an occupation, giving the other marchers the option of whether they get involved or not. I think we need to spread disruptive action to fight the cuts; whether that’s on a mass demonstration or day by day in our local areas. To get to the point where that is possible we need to build and strengthen our connections with each other. I don’t think the black bloc helped us move towards that on 26th March. While it was inspiring there was little thought for the people around the bloc and the actions taken were self contained and frightening for many. I hope that we will move forward towards ways of struggling that include more people, increase the level of confidence we have in ourselves and each other and succeed in stopping the cuts.

a marcher

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just my opinion

20.04.2011 21:17

I firmly believe that the so-called black bloc only do it because they think they look "cool".
When is the last time you saw a black blocker (or whatever it is) help an old lady cross the street or assist the elderly with some vital shopping.

If you can't wear a balaclava, then it isn't worth doing is the black bloc's moto.

Therefore, they are just thugs out for kicks in my opinion, who have gravitated to the protests to try and legitimise their wankerness.

I believe that they should be kettled within chicken wire and flame-thrown to cinders by the police. As i say, just an opinion.

Tool


you've been fooled

20.04.2011 21:57

The black bloc are a collection of police provocateurs and their gimp-like useful idiots. Their tactics are right out of the counter-insurgency handbook and they are currently being used to supress protest against the Royal Wedding. That is all there is to say about the matter.

anonymous


Better than A to B demos

20.04.2011 22:56

I remember how the police would bully demonstrators in the 80/90's at least now they have something else to think about!

anon


different days

20.04.2011 23:31

Everybody knows what happyned in the 90's, don't they?

luvya


Frightening

20.04.2011 23:45

I will ignore the trolls and try and respond to the article.

While no one will disagree with the validity of your experience, its unfortunately unavoidable. Though like you have suggested, reducing any negative impacts conflicts like this may have on the people that are on our side, they will only be reduced but won't disappear. We must remember that the police are the ultimate causes of violence towards demonstrators, and this violence is what has pushed a certain number of people into the black bloc. I think the black bloc - and any combattive militancy - can be used to protect people on demonstrations, and as we saw on March 26th, people did fight back against the police and very few were kettled.

If we can maintain this development of confrontational actions - smoke flares and flash bangs scare and disorientate police - then I think it will open rather than close down spaces. It will also push people into moving beyond purely confrontation street fighting and look towards actions that may be more inclusive - like blockades and occupations.

anarchist in London


Never trust a hippy

21.04.2011 03:06

Yes and the fact that all you "professional protesters" that are so wise and clever have managed to get yourselves riddled with police finks over the last 15 years is utterly irrelevent, I suppose. Follow the advice of your friendly local police anarchist. Do as you are told and break some windows whatever anyone else is saying / doing. Protestors are always out to cause trouble, aren't they? So let's cause some trouble and get ourselves in the papers. Give the state a good bogeyman to trot out along with the swarthy fundamentalists and benefit scroungers they retarded masses are also inexplicably obsessed with.

Fuck democracy, fuck whatever it is we're actually protesting against - what's REALLY important is stroking the egos of a few macho pillocks and helping along the secret agenda of the shady undercover cops that have riddled your "movement" since day one.

anon


Indymedia is dead....

21.04.2011 07:16

.... and the comments to this sensible piece prove it. Can't we have a debate about the usefulness and the political place of the BB without people either saying it's just always amazing or they're macho or police spies and provocateurs - all equally stupid responses.

Anarchist


Piece written by police

21.04.2011 07:48

you've been fooled
20.04.2011 21:57
The black bloc are a collection of police provocateurs and their gimp-like useful idiots. Their tactics are right out of the counter-insurgency handbook and they are currently being used to supress protest against the Royal Wedding. That is all there is to say about the matter.
anonymous

Agreed.

This article is written by a police agent. They realise that there is a lot of hostility among Progressives about Black bloc because they were successful in getting UK Uncut arrested. This writer is sliming his way into support of the provocateurs by claining they can defend protest against violent police. This is ridiculous. Their point is to provoke police violence.

1. The Black bloc allows the police to take oppressive action against much needed peaceful protest.

2. What did Black bloc achieve?

3. If Black bloc tactics are useful, why bother with peaceful demostrations?

4. Who would get involved in Black bloc and risk getting arrested?

5. Why did Black bloc think that the police would not go after them?

Simon Du Bois


Stupid...

21.04.2011 08:25

All those questions are stupid. Seriously I hope all the people who are talking about provocateurs are doing it for a laugh otherwise you are just paranoid and stupid.

Some of us remember Iraq. We know peaceful objections to government plans don't work.

This is an interesting article, worth thinking about for anyone wishing to take part in this sort of action.

Anarcha


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Simon U Tit, what are you talking about?

21.04.2011 08:28

It seems to me you are the provocateur pig spouting total utter bullshit...

Fuck the trolls
Long live the Black Bloc!




Aunty Christ


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Keep on truckin, Simon, we got them rattled!

21.04.2011 11:10

As we all know, anonymous gang violence always helps you achieve your aims - which is why the Middle East and the inner cities of the USA are all paradises!

In conclusion, good anarchists always do what they are told, and we of the Police Anarchist Federation are telling you to shut up and let the Black Bloc do what they like. Give us, I mean, the police and media, the riot porn they need and that way we, I mean they, can get any demonstation we like banned just by mentioning them "The Black Bloc are coming! Quick! Ban demonstrations! Arrest everyone!"

Oldest trick in the book, suckers!

Anonymous


Reply...

21.04.2011 11:40

1. The Black bloc allows the police to take oppressive action against much needed peaceful protest.
NO - the police have taken oppressive action at every kind of protest, including 'peaceful' protests.

2. What did Black bloc achieve?
Millbank felt like a failure at the time - seemed everybody apart from those there and a couple of anarchists hated us. But it was that action that provoked mass occupations and demonstrations across the country.

The idea that one action on one day will somehow change everything is blatant nonsense. However, so far the bb has definitely: drawn massive media attention to protests, directly hurt corporations involved in the cuts and shown the government that we're angry and not going to take this lying down. It has also (through de-arrests, etc) saved many protesters from jail-time, saved many kids from police violence and kettles, and propagated the idea that this is a class war, not a battle about economic theory.

Of course the government won't dare let people think they're changing because of the black bloc. However, they're scared of more people joining, so what we will see is them listening much more to the 'peaceful' protesters in future.

3. If Black bloc tactics are useful, why bother with peaceful demonstrations?
Every heard of 'diversity of tactics'?

4. Who would get involved in Black bloc and risk getting arrested?
The point is to *stop* yourself getting arrested or identified...

5. Why did Black bloc think that the police would not go after them?
Eh? Call us what you like, but we're not naive enough to think that police won't go after us. ACAB!

Tbh, your comment smacks of naivety and privilege. The government will not listen to you unless you *make* them listen. Things will not change unless you get off your backside and start changing them yourself. When the stakes are this high, silence and inaction *is* violence. Smashing windows isn't. After all, windows don't have feelings...

Anon


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Inform yr comments

21.04.2011 12:06

How about if you don't know what you are talking about just shutting the fuck up. This is a point that should be addressed re bb tactics.

Rob


another ACTUAL reply

21.04.2011 12:23

I was in the bloc, and I found myself agreeing in many ways with this article. Paint bombs and other attacks on buildings made the statement, but i felt that fireworks and flashbangs have their place, and that is aimed at the police. People were throwing them at buildings. that doesnt do anything apart from make everybody in the area jump. some were thrown towards people who were working on buildings. my main concern isnt about scaring children, though alienation can be an issue. its that a loud bang... well it can be deadly. people die from shock, old people and other people die of heart attacks. people can die of asthma attacks, then theres panic attacks to boot which are painful. i think having more medics is a good criticism. there were a lot of medics, but im not sure there were enough to be in all the places all the time, and usually the place they are most needed is in kettles x

anchoredwunderlust


similar debates taking place elsewhere

21.04.2011 13:22

for example see comments on:
 http://thetopsoil.org.uk/2011/342
...at least there you don't have to wade through the trolls and conspiraloons to find the intelligent debate.

Q


my opinion

21.04.2011 21:02

> ...at least there you don't have to wade through the trolls and conspiraloons to find the intelligent debate.

Defeating the black bloc is easy because they make themselves a readily available target.
All the police need to do is set up a firing line and take the 1st line out at the kneecaps and the rest will fall like dominoes. You might as well have a big target painted on your chest.
If you want to blend in, then look like normal people.

anon


Black bloc are Annunaki

21.04.2011 23:27

People saying the black bloc are police provocateurs are clearly wrong. The black bloc are obviously the Annunaki - 8ft alien shape-shifting lizards that are taking over the world to install the New World Order. Smashing the banks is clearly a major step on their agenda, as bankers are nice people who hand out money.

anon


Also an actual reply

29.04.2011 12:38

Thanks a marcher, for your honest and heartfelt account. For me it's really good to see this kind of reporting from the day, which appears to be a real persons' experience and not some partisan or hypocritical crap.
I was on the march, too - together with my partner and children. We had prepared an action, admittedly a fluffy one, which we couldn't carry out because we were indirectly attacked by the black bloc and ironically protected by the police. Of course they didn't mean to attack us, but nevertheless that is what happened. People were hurt and kicked, fireworks and paint bombs were shot at us, with the children at risk & ending up being very scared and traumatised. We were part of a lose group of parents, taking a shortcut near the Ritz.
Now I'm not having anybody telling me that we shouldn't have been there. Police are always telling me that when we go to demos and actions with children and to me that is oppressive! On that day however the only people who oppressed us were the people who were shooting fireworks and smokebombs, and the black bloc people who didn't stop them.
Black Bloc action is not justified in all situations, especially when it stops other people from doing their actions - or if it endangers other people, like it did on the day.

Nobody knows what is going to work in the long run, whether it's fluffy actions, spikey actions, autonomous community projects or whatever. There is no hierarchy between those choices, unless you create one.

AutnomousVeteran


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