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IDF seizes freighter of Iranian weapons headed to Gaza | 15.03.2011 14:22 | Flotilla to Gaza | Palestine
The 'Victoria' docked at the same port in Syria as 2 Iranian vessels that transited Suez; IDF says weapons on board from Iran intended to be smuggled to Hamas; ship boarded by Naval Commando 13, arrives in Ashdod.
IDF seizes freighter of Iranian weapons headed to Gaza
By YAAKOV KATZ AND JPOST.COM STAFF
03/15/2011 12:25
The IDF seized a freighter ship with dozens of tons of weaponry from Iran headed for Hamas in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday.
The ship, known as Victoria, was flying a Liberian flag, and was seized by the navy in the Mediterranean Sea, 200 miles off of Israel's coast.
The Victoria was boarded by commandos from the Israeli Navy's Flotilla 13, also known as the Shayetet, arrived in the Ashdod port on Tuesday evening.
An initial inspection of the cargo revealed the ship was carrying weapons. The exact amount is to be determined.
The crew, questioned by the Navy Commando, was not aware that the cargo contained weaponry.
The ship set sail Monday night from the port of Lattakai in Syria and from there it traveled to Turkey. There, it was supposed to unload the weapons, which would travel by land to Gaza. The IDF's assessment is that the weapons did not originate in Turkey, but that the containers were unloaded there and transferred onto the Victoria.
The port of Lattakai is the same port where two Iranian war ships docked in February on their way to the Suez Canal. At the time, IDF officials raised concerns of the possibility that they were carrying weapons intended for terrorists organizations, but there was no confirmation.
"The operation was approved as necessary in accordance with government directives in light of Chief of the General Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz's recommendations," an IDF statement read.
Gantz updated Defense Minister Ehud Barak about the findings on-board the vessel earlier in the morning.
"The IDF and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs alerted German authorities about the interception of the "Victoria" due to the German ownership of the ship," the statement said.
In addition, the government of Liberia, whose flag it was flying under, was notified, as well as France, due to the French shipping company.
The Israeli Navy has conducted numerous operations over the years against Iranian smuggling to Hamas and Hezbollah.
Foreign reports attribute bombings of truck convoys in Sudan as well as arms ships in the Red Sea in recent years to the IDF.
In November 2009, the Israeli Navy seized the Francop cargo ship, which was carrying 500 tons of weaponry from Iran to Hezbollah in Lebanon, including Katyusha rockets and grenades. At the time, IDF officers said the amount was enough to sustain Hezbollah for several weeks of war.
By YAAKOV KATZ AND JPOST.COM STAFF
03/15/2011 12:25
The IDF seized a freighter ship with dozens of tons of weaponry from Iran headed for Hamas in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday.
The ship, known as Victoria, was flying a Liberian flag, and was seized by the navy in the Mediterranean Sea, 200 miles off of Israel's coast.
The Victoria was boarded by commandos from the Israeli Navy's Flotilla 13, also known as the Shayetet, arrived in the Ashdod port on Tuesday evening.
An initial inspection of the cargo revealed the ship was carrying weapons. The exact amount is to be determined.
The crew, questioned by the Navy Commando, was not aware that the cargo contained weaponry.
The ship set sail Monday night from the port of Lattakai in Syria and from there it traveled to Turkey. There, it was supposed to unload the weapons, which would travel by land to Gaza. The IDF's assessment is that the weapons did not originate in Turkey, but that the containers were unloaded there and transferred onto the Victoria.
The port of Lattakai is the same port where two Iranian war ships docked in February on their way to the Suez Canal. At the time, IDF officials raised concerns of the possibility that they were carrying weapons intended for terrorists organizations, but there was no confirmation.
"The operation was approved as necessary in accordance with government directives in light of Chief of the General Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz's recommendations," an IDF statement read.
Gantz updated Defense Minister Ehud Barak about the findings on-board the vessel earlier in the morning.
"The IDF and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs alerted German authorities about the interception of the "Victoria" due to the German ownership of the ship," the statement said.
In addition, the government of Liberia, whose flag it was flying under, was notified, as well as France, due to the French shipping company.
The Israeli Navy has conducted numerous operations over the years against Iranian smuggling to Hamas and Hezbollah.
Foreign reports attribute bombings of truck convoys in Sudan as well as arms ships in the Red Sea in recent years to the IDF.
In November 2009, the Israeli Navy seized the Francop cargo ship, which was carrying 500 tons of weaponry from Iran to Hezbollah in Lebanon, including Katyusha rockets and grenades. At the time, IDF officers said the amount was enough to sustain Hezbollah for several weeks of war.
IDF seizes freighter of Iranian weapons headed to Gaza
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What?
15.03.2011 14:51
Also, Israel has to stop Palestinians from entering Israeli land because there are hundreds, if not thousands, of Palestinians who would be willing to enter Israeli land to kill innocent Israeli civilians.
Thought this picture would interest you:
Supporter of Israel
tedious wank material for bored zionists
15.03.2011 15:16
What on earth does this poster expect from this scribbling?
Save it for your uneducated settler masses.
Irritant
another peace ship outrage
15.03.2011 15:59
PS Has anyone noticed how the media's pushing the earthquake in Japan over and above this new war crime? And that leak at the nuclear reactor is nothing compared to the tons and tons of depleted uranium the Zionist military have been using on the innocent children of Gaza. How dare they?!
anon
Did I miss something?
15.03.2011 18:00
If this is true, then it's obviously a bad thing. But the original article does not mention 'much needed supplies to .. etc.' - it says that weapons were the supplies. I have no time for the IDF, and the oppression conducted by Israel. But to call a ship that was carrying weapons a peace ship is a piece of rhetoric that the IDF would be proud of. If you (anon) want to suggest that the ship was doing more than that it would be nice if you said what, and gave some evidence.
I
sarcasm
15.03.2011 18:40
Well done to the IDF for intercepting this shipment.
Concerned of Chapletown
Goodbye, be seeing you.
15.03.2011 18:52
Its done that for years.
So what!
The British people are no longer listening or influenced by Zionist fanatics. The bond that the Zionists have long claimed between the UK and Israel is a fraud and no longer exists. The UK doesn't need, nor does it want the "holy land" and doesn't care what happens to it. The Zionist's are little more than a minority cult most of whom have been kicked out onto the streets.
No-one cares about Zionist delusions of grandeur anymore. Nobody is going to come to their aid, nobody is going to put themselves out for them.
The consensus is dead.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Revenge of the Fallahin.
The consensus is dead.
15.03.2011 19:05
eichmann
Right on cue, but far to late!
15.03.2011 19:43
Don't really know what to say to that! Nothing too say really, is there?
Sad, really sad!
Revenge of the Fallahin.
Anti-semitism, Pro-zionism & Indymedia.
15.03.2011 22:44
This article and comment is posted by an internet troll, posting articles about Israel in order to facilitate the denunciation of Indymedia in the comments sections which follow. He/she is posting both article and comments. This article is unreliable and the reader is advised to exercise caution.
Background to this phenomena.
Zionism.
A small ethnic-centric coalition of political parties, pressure groups and paramilitary organisations advocating the restoration of the state of Yisra'el advocated by Viennese Journalist Theodor Herzl in 1896 in his book "The Jewish State".
Zionism is derived from the word Zion, itself relating to the perceived kingdom of Jewish states that supposedly existed in the ancient era in what is now the area encompassed by modern day Jerusalem. Zion initially is purported to have been the name of a hill in Jerusalem in which an ancient monument was erected to house texts and scriptures relating to an ancient "Pantheist" ideology practised by dissident Sephardim-like Jews originating from minority communities in ancient arab states. Although the original monument was destroyed over a thousand years ago, the Pantheist ideology it was associated with remains a persistent part of modern Judaism and has been successfully corrupted to form the modern ideological backbone of modern day Zionism.
Zionist's are followers and adherent's of Zionism.
The modern manifestation of Zionism is broadly, but not exclusively, political and has a number of historical aims attached to it which it continues to strive toward.
These can be defined as formation of alliances and relationships with the great capitalist powers namely the United States and the United Kingdom, and the censure and proscription of non-Jewish bloodline Arabs with the broader aim of removal of the national identity of those non Jewish arabs, prior to the seizing of that national identity by followers of ideological zionism.
This is a process undertaken freely by adherents of Zionism to this day and to that end, advocation of the Zionist cause appears frequently in all influential media especially those operating in the UK and US.
Here at Indymedia, frequently known to facilitate coherent anti-zionist commentary, persistent pro-zionist propaganda appears with some regularity and often entails provocative and polemical publishing of benign or controversial third party news content, and contrived commentary degenerating downward in intellectual weight to a persistent position of anti-semitism. The purpose being it appears, to present Indymedia as anti-semitic, rather than coherently anti-zionist.
By this process, one is able to detect and disseminate the core principle of the ideology of Zionism, that of eviction of one object to be replaced by another.
For many anti-zionists, zionism is a violent, paramilitary, terrorist ideology specific not to the creation of a legitimate state or homeland, but more generally specific to a cultural ideology of subversion, dissidency, and aimless revolutionary zeal, that serves no purpose and can achieve no legitimate, political, societal or cultural end. In this regard, zionism is nothing more than the repetitive manifestation of embedded and learned cultural behaviour which is clearly persistent within a small ethnic group of historically nomadic non-settling Jewish-arabs, who are now attempting to settle in an area they have no historical link to.
Revenge of the Fallahin.
Revionism writ large.
15.03.2011 23:51
Attempting to settle in? The state of Israel can into existence as such in 1948. If you were born then, you would be be 63. You would have children and grandchildren. So if they are not 'settled', where will they go?
You sound like the National Front: '... who are now attempting to settle in an area they have no historical link to ...' Like all the migrants to Britain since 1948?
eichmann
Ethnic Cleansing.
16.03.2011 02:20
Yes, the policy of Zionism achieved its primary aim in 1948 of gaining a foothold in the territory of Palestine, which was justified at the time as bringing "exiles" into the territory which Zionist's encouraged, later accelerated by further arrival of exiles justified by Zionist's who claimed to be acting to safeguard the interests of persecuted Jews from the European conflict. In 1939, Zionist's resorted to acts of terrorism against British forces including sabotage against the turning back of inbound European refugee's turned away by the British in order to prevent Zionist's undermining the proposed Binational Palestinian State which allowed for power sharing of Jews and Muslims. Since then, Zionist's have continued to push the agenda of Zionism and after countless wars, destruction, hardship, poverty, anguish and suffering and death, the current Zionist tactic is to plead native ethnicity qualified by generational settlement as it continues to push ahead with its agenda of self confessed eradication of all non Jewish arabs from their historical lands. A policy it has been studiously engaged with since 1948.
"You sound like the National Front: '... who are now attempting to settle in an area they have no historical link to ...' Like all the migrants to Britain since 1948?"
I suppose in the absence of a charge of anti-semitism, a charge of racism by association with the National Front, a defunct organisation, is the next best thing and will have to do! Living in the United Kingdom, and having visited both the Gaza strip and the West Bank, I fail to see any correlation or similarity between Israel and the United Kingdom, at all.
The United Kingdom is not populated by, controlled by, or guided by paramilitary or ideological groups acting to deny the national identity of one group, in favour of a different ethnic group. No such group exists in the United Kingdom. Excepting, of course, small groups of Zionist's who are currently active in the United Kingdom raising funds for the ethnic cleansing taking place in Israel.
Revenge of the Fellahin
same old Indymedia UK - roll on the 'fork'
16.03.2011 09:41
Roy Bard watch
The language you use ...
16.03.2011 10:21
Tell us, what would you do with the several million Israelis who were born and brought up there?
eichmann
Revenge of the Fellahin.
16.03.2011 11:32
Given everything else that has been said in these comments following this highly unreliable article, I see that you are still hoping for an opportunity to have a crack at both the anti-semitism and racism plot-lines, which appears to be all that's left in your arsenal!
I would debate these points with you but I don't think you are capable of debate.
I think this is the point that Indymedia can take as a comprehensive victory against Zionist disruption of its news-wire.
A corner has finally been turned.
The End.
Very funny
16.03.2011 12:32
"I think this is the point that Indymedia can take as a comprehensive victory against Zionist disruption of its news-wire."
In your tiny hate filled mind that is exactly what has happened. Meanwhile those of us who recognise your use of the word 'Zionist' to try and hide your antisemitism are laughing at you.
We laugh at you when you try to present Zionism as being Fascist.
When you try to hide your fear with 'analysis'.
When you see a Jew and think she's an enemy.
We laugh louder when we watch you try to justify your hatred and that justification just makes you look more fearful and ignorant.
Mostly we just laugh at you.
Laughing at some peoples fear of Jews
when all else fails, claim victory
16.03.2011 13:47
ha
end of an era
16.03.2011 14:06
This is what Democracy looks like :-)
An "archist".
Bit of a car crash this.
16.03.2011 14:15
Are you talking about Fellahin or Zionism?
anon
Colonists and immigrants
16.03.2011 14:30
That's how someone like Lieberman, a Soviet immigrant from the 70's, can rise to such a high position in the current Israeli government while demanding Palestinian fealty to the religious and ethnic ideology of the post-1948 immigrant colony/state.
The BNP or National Front could conceivably have huge support if, for instance, a Ugandan or Bangladeshi immigrant to Britain in the 70's had formed a political party catering to immigrants interests, and had been able to enter government demanding that the rest of the population swore allegiance to a state defined primarily by their immigrant religious and ethnic identity.
The BNP and National Front don't have huge support because the elites of this country (the politicians, the CEO's, the military) generally conform to their favoured ethnic profiles - white "Anglo-Saxon"/co-opted "Celtic". The BNP and National Front have protected the British elite from class grievances by putting the blame for economic woes on immigrants, but have failed to supplant those elites. The British elite has counted on powerful allies in the US and Europe, and for much of the population the benefits of these allegiances have outweighed the hardships of economic and political decline in other areas.
Mr Kipling
Colonists and immigrants
16.03.2011 15:44
But just as the BNP and its allies would say that immigrants shouldn't hold political office, or should be sent back, then presumably anyone who says the same of present day Israel would find common cause with BNP.
eichmann
Nothing changes
16.03.2011 16:15
Yawn
WHy are the zIONISTS targetting Indymedia?
16.03.2011 16:36
anon
Personally, I blame the teachers ...
16.03.2011 17:22
'I think it is because it tells the truth. Israel is based on the lie of Jewish persecution in the middle east. No Zionist was ever killed in the middle east before Israel came along.'
Oh, how about:
Do a moment's Googling: 'massacre jews palestine'.
herstorian
The Truth
16.03.2011 19:39
You forgot to add that they wouldn't just have entered government, they would have formed a government, then renamed the capital city, walled it off, removed native ethnic groups from local and national government positions, violently seized regional areas from native residents and handed it over to incoming exile Immigrants, rallied international partners around providing funding for the new immigrant army, navy and air force, waged a relentless information and media war against the native population, encouraged immigrants to facilitate local acts of violence against other immigrants to capitalise on anti-native paranoia, flagrantly ignored the UN protests about the appalling treatment of natives, encouraged volunteer immigrants to disrupt all speculation about what was happening including snooping on and reporting troublesome natives, and finally, encouraged anti-immigrant genocidal native sympathetic "chatter" around the world to justify the furtherance of the "national policy" in defence of the Immigrants against the evil natives. All the while, Mr Bangldeshi immigrant would be President Immigrant of the New Immigrant Party of New Bangladesh. He would be claiming the old UK had historically always been populated by Bangladeshi's and that the natives had always been squatters and thieves.
Now you have something close to a comparison between the UK and Israel.
anon
The truth is a many splendoured thing ...
16.03.2011 20:42
Mind you, I wasn't aware that Jerusalem had been renamed.
Okay, then, how about this.
A country is invaded, about 8 million of its inhabitants ethnically cleansed, the capitol of the country is taken over by the invaders, and the country is no longer deemed to exist. The inhabitants are put onto trains leaving their goods and houses behind. The world applauds. This happens in the past seventy years.
The country? Prussia. The Invader? Soviet Russia. The capitol? Konigsberg, now called Kaliningrad. Prussia is formally abolished. Most of it is given to Poland.
Cue outage .... sorry, didn't hear that?
herstorian
Zionism, the politics of failure!
16.03.2011 23:17
Yes, yes, we all know that. It was appalling that entire era. But can't you see that what is happening now by fanatic ideological supporters of Zionism in Israel is just a continuance of that policy. At times it seems like a celebration of that policy.
For goodness sake, we live in the 21st century, these old acts of carving nations up have already been condemned and are destined to stay in the 20th century. We do not do that now, we are not those people, we do not share their ideas, we expect to live in a world without ethnic cleansing and because of that, we find it a straightforward matter to identify, target and disrupt anyone that insists on re-igniting the fuses of the old world.
Zionism and Zionist's are an old world hangover that does not belong in this world. It is unwelcome and disruptive and more than anything else, it is outdated and unsustainable. Even it if were to succeed in achieving its aims, it would simply emerge from its scrap with the Palestinians, dirty, dusty, exhausted and tired only to find itself standing short in a world of well groomed and battle hardened giants.
Unified, angry, belligerent giants.
Even if it were to win, Zionism has no future.
There is only one solution to this problem. Zionism has to go and the Jews, minus the ideology of Zionism, must concede to govern themselves alongside their neighbours, the Palestinians.
If the Zionist's are unable to accept that, and only one side is to emerge successfully as Lord of all. Then, regrettably, I think its now clear that world opinion deigns that victor to be the Palestinians.
No other outcome will be allowed.
Prussian Blue
Nazi watch
17.03.2011 08:06
Really, that's the name you choose in a debate where Jews are being discussed ?
I think we know your politics.
'No other outcome will be allowed.'
17.03.2011 10:08
SIgh. The point is the carve up has happened. I don't think we are now going to say that Swinoujscie should become Swinemunde again.The borders of Poland have been fixed (in more senses than one), and to change them back would mean ethnic cleansing on a massive scale. So also with Israel.
eichmann
Colonists
17.03.2011 11:01
Before the borders are Polish, Czech or Swiss fixed there would need to be some proper horse trading with the Palestinians, over Jerusalem/Al-Quds, refugees right of return and dismantling of illegal settlements.
Mr Kipling
The reality of the world one inhabits.
17.03.2011 11:43
Yes, apology accepted. I know how difficult it is for you to avoid tripping into goose-stepping mode and raising your arm in glorious salute to the great leader. Next time this happens, try and console yourself with the fact that international fascism was defeated and that only its ghost remains, which isn't actually real! Either that or you could just try teargassing yourself till the fit has passed.
"SIgh. The point is the carve up has happened. I don't think we are now going to say that Swinoujscie should become Swinemunde again.The borders of Poland have been fixed (in more senses than one), and to change them back would mean ethnic cleansing on a massive scale. So also with Israel."
Yes, that's nice but the carve up regression is currently happening in Israel and is currently in progress. We are not really that interested in just sitting back and doing nothing simply because it happened in the past, therefore, its OK for it to happen again. Poland is not really a hot-bed of simmering ethnic injustice at the moment so one has to assume that some sort of ethnic lid is holding. Hardly the situation in Palestine which is in motion as we speak.
I'm not aware of anyone calling for the mass ethnic cleansing of Israel of all Jews although if it were to happen, much of the international community could easily wave away any protests about it, pointing out that the process was already underway in the region by the Zionist's themselves and that any action by the international community was simply using the techniques and program pioneered by the Zionist's.
Of course, that isn't going to happen, the international community doesn't do things like that, but if it were to happen, the Zionist ideology could easily serve as the moral, logical and political engine of any such action.
What ever way you reason it out...Zionism does not work. That is the reason it cannot be tolerated. You don't have to be a Nazi to believe that, most Jews find Zionism despicable, hence its funding problems and membership decline, you just have to be somebody who recognises the lengths ideological and fanatical extremist's will go to realise their ethnic fantasies. On top of all of that, Zionism is the creation of a "Journalist". What more evidence do you want that its completely barmy!
Prussian Blue
Sorry? So you should be.
17.03.2011 12:00
'I'm not aware of anyone calling for the mass ethnic cleansing of Israel of all Jews ...'
You live a remarkably sheltered life.
'The Jews will soon be expelled from Palestine that same way they were kicked out by France, Britain, Belgium, Russia and Germany, Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said over the weekend.' - November 2010.
'Poland is not really a hot-bed of simmering ethnic injustice at the moment so one has to assume that some sort of ethnic lid is holding.'
That's because Stalin was so effective in his ethnic cleansing. 'German, are you? Lived here for centuries, have you? Report to the railway station tomorrow morning.'
eichmann
The wheels on the bus go round and round...
17.03.2011 13:09
So the border is fixed by the wars the Zionist's have waged and the rest of the world, including the UN, has condemned ever since. Your point is what exactly? That Zionist's are right and here's all the dead bodies to prove it!
"You live a remarkably sheltered life."
Yes, well that would be because I don't live in a dictatorship and, therefore, don't live like a fugitive on the run!

Ah yes, the ever reliable web link to a propaganda site disseminating "genocidal chatter". In the words of the great Chris Rock "This train ain't never late".
"The Jews will soon be expelled from Palestine that same way they were kicked out by France, Britain, Belgium, Russia and Germany, Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said over the weekend.' - November 2010."
Congratulations, you have pissed your victims off to such a degree, one of them said something that you could use!
"That's because Stalin was so effective in his ethnic cleansing. 'German, are you? Lived here for centuries, have you? Report to the railway station tomorrow morning."
Do you mean "so effective" as in a terrible tragedy that must never be repeated, or do you mean "so effective" as in it worked for him, so it can work for us?
You do realise we are just going to go round and round in circles like this don't you?
Prussian Blue
excuses, excuses ...
17.03.2011 13:29
Ah, so the 'Zionists' waged the war all by themselves? No one provoked them?
If you can't see the blatant rascism in Hamas, then you are morally stunted. But that's fairly evident.
eichmann
The suffering of Palestine and the West at the hands of Zion.
17.03.2011 15:40
The six day war in 1967, under which these borders were manufactured, were the result of geopolitical repositioning involving Israel, the US, Egypt and the Soviet Union. Prior to the move to war, Egypt had turned to the Soviet Union and this was enough to produce an alliance between Israel and the US. While Zionist's in Israel set about manufacturing ethnic divisions between Jews and Arab's across the national dividing line of Egypt, Washington supplied arms and weapons to Israel in order to exploit Egypt's failure to secure credit and arms which had been removed by Washington. The original covert agreement between Washington and Israel was that Israel would not use these supplies in any capacity but self defence in order to counter the Soviet Unions influence in Egypt.
On June 5th 1967, Israel, unable to resist an opportunity for expansion, reneged on the agreement and launched a lightning strike against Egypt. This attack ended 6 days later with the seizing of the whole of Palestine including the Golan Heights and Egyptian Sinai.
This act, permanently cast Israel into the role as an expansionist power habitually concerned only with the seizing of the land of the Palestinians toward the ultimate goal of the Zionist dream of a greater Israel, the complete eradication of Palestine, and the ethnic eradication of the national identity of Palestinian's.
"If you can't see the blatant racism in Hamas, then you are morally stunted. But that's fairly evident."
All racism in that area is the product of Zionism, Zionists and the "religious/ethnic" policy that emanates from it. Hamas, Fatah, the PLO and a whole host of organisations and groups, are resistance groups striving to prevent the Zionist policy of ethnic cleansing from succeeding. Conflict in the region is profoundly politically motivated and serves to provide a state of constant agitation around the world under which the Zionist policy of ethnic cleansing can be realised. Violence, and the manufacturing of violence by Zionists, is the engine of that policy and, as a result, the Israeli government, the Israeli military and the Israeli media is perpetually organised to create, exploit and disseminate that violence to service the ethnic policy.
Prussian Blue
Prussian Blue (caution: contiais cyanide)
17.03.2011 18:32
Here is another view on the 1967 war:
Doesn't quite mesh with yours - as far as it is comprehensible.
'Hamas, Fatah, the PLO and a whole host of organisations and groups, are resistance groups striving to prevent the Zionist policy of ethnic cleansing from succeeding.'
No - as pointed out from by Hamas' own leader, they are intent on ethnic cleansing on a different scale. The rest of your comment is boilerplate agitprop.
eichmann
Pill Popping Zionist.
17.03.2011 21:23
Thank you, and yes it is entirely in the service of disseminating, un-stitching and de-compiling propaganda. I think it is now fair to say, that the original article these comments are attached to, being propaganda for the IDF, has been pretty much ruined and destroyed.
I hate to do this of course, freedom of speech is the critical cornerstone of all democracy. But freedom of speech in my view, must be exercised with responsibility and care, it must never be corrupted by the deviant machinations of propaganda. When propaganda is detected, it must be carefully injected with a tiny dose of the truth, then left to wither and die of its own accord.
"Here is another view on the 1967 war:

Doesn't quite mesh with yours - as far as it is comprehensible."
I prefer the truth. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, it is simply a collection of the most benign and sterile information that is available. Very rarely is it a source of compelling insight or factual truth. It is also publicly edited which is wonderfully admirable in its intentions and fabulously democratic but, of course, it allows for horrendous degrees of omission by disagreement. Of course that isn't always the case, but as this entry in its database is about Israel, it is safe to assume distortion as most entries regarding Israel are characterised by omission. The text I draw from, is decidedly more reliable, insightful and drawn from first hand accounts from those on the ground..
"No - as pointed out from by Hamas' own leader, they are intent on ethnic cleansing on a different scale. The rest of your comment is boilerplate agitprop."
Oh, don't get me wrong, I often don't agree with the things that Hamas says. Neither do a lot of activists and campaigners working in this field. We often advise the leadership of Hamas and its supporters to try to exercise restraint in the statements they make. Primarily because emotive statements they make are guaranteed to illicit a feeding frenzy among Zionist media in service to their "national policy". Which is then distributed around the world so commentators such as yourself are able to engage in genocidal "chatter" and I-told-you-so-ism.
But there is not a lot we can do. One can understand of course, they are people in the midst of fighting for their survival. For them, it IS a matter of survival. One can hardly blame them for the odd emotional outburst given everything they are going through.
Add to that the invidious and cruel "reverse co-option" nature of Zionist propaganda they have to endure, where the circumstances of the Palestinians is collected, reconstituted and re-fashioned into the circumstances of the Zionist's, which is then used to execute the policy of ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians, and one can see the horrible torment the Palestinians are subject too.
On more than one occasion, I have heard people, even Jews, claim that it is almost as if the Zionist's are secretly punishing the Palestinian's for all the persecution the Jews have suffered in the past. Stealing the land, is the Zionist's way of measuring the torment!!
Prussian Blue
A rare and prescious thing -
17.03.2011 22:06
Sadly, the rest of the world has a different truth.
The rest of your text is too opaque for us lesser mortals, but imagine you were to hear the leader of a major political party in Britain say in a speech: 'The Asians will soon be expelled from Britain like they were expelled from Uganda.'
Would you (a) ask him to 'exercise restraint' (b) recognise him as a genocidal racist?
eichmann
The truth needs no allies..
18.03.2011 00:28
If one knows the truth, one is able to find the right text with which to sterilise the propaganda.
"Sadly, the rest of the world has a different truth."
Which it chooses...to ignore!
"The rest of your text is too opaque for us lesser mortals, but imagine you were to hear the leader of a major political party in Britain say in a speech: 'The Asians will soon be expelled from Britain like they were expelled from Uganda."
In my experience, transparency means invisible and is fundamentally dishonest and useless. Opacity means written in stone, which is fundamentally the best media for the truth.
I am trying to imagine a leader of a major political party in the UK making a statement like that, but all I can see is political suicide. You see, in the UK we are not engaged in a policy of ethnic cleansing, so any statement such as that can only be seen as offensive fanaticism. If my government were engaged in a policy of ethnic cleansing, and a representative of the group on the receiving end were to make that statement, that would elicit my sympathy...and an offer of assistance.
"Would you (a) ask him to 'exercise restraint' (b) recognise him as a genocidal racist?"
I would advise (a) restraint followed by (b) the collapse of my government.
Prussian Blue
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