Ratcliffe trial collapses!

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GIVE IT A BREAK!!

10.01.2011 12:12

Jesus fucking christ Harry Roberts, what are you on? Where on earth have you got any evidence that there was a deal done??

I knew Mark well, was both politically and personally involved with him, and was also involved with exposing him as an undercover cop. Let me say this one final time very clearly for your thick brain...

THERE WERE NO DEALS DONE WITH HIM ABOUT ANYTHING!

Is that clear enough for you?

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No need for caps auntie

10.01.2011 13:25

Because it's clear that you are talking shit anyway. Who'd get involved with EF/CC after the way you've handled this? Thick? It wasn't me that was duped by a cop for 6 years!

Harry Roberts

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To Harry Roberts...

10.01.2011 13:34

Not sure if you have mental health, drinking or just unresolved anger issues (or maybe all three) but I suggest you don't wildly make accusations that people have been making deals with cops without any evidence at all.

Also it's in pretty bad taste to accuse those that have been most damaged personally and politically by this infiltrator scum of doing so .

Introduce yourself sometimeat the bookfair or a meeting, we can clear up any more random lunatic ideas you have about this.

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Pics

10.01.2011 13:47

Funny how the Guardian managed 2 get hold of a better pics than you wankers posted 2 IM. Wonder how much they paid 4 it?

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Why protect a cop's family?

10.01.2011 14:03

Cops are quite happy to cause problems for activists' families, so why should we be worried about affecting their families? Their partners at least choose to be with a cop.

Maybe if their families got as much shit from us as activists' families get from the cops, they would be less eager to play snooping Big Brother.

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Protecting a cop

10.01.2011 14:26

He'll have moved anyway! They are just being wankers! On another thread they reckoned they had no decent photos of him, which has proved to be a pack of lies.

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vindicated ?

10.01.2011 14:49

The people trying to suppress the publication of information about this policeman’s activities were insisting on a previous thread that the secrecy was about protecting activists and activist networks that might have been caught up in Stone/Kennedy’s web . For instance:

“Combined with the deep hurt and sense of betrayal many people feel, this could rip apart several important networks and activist scenes -if we let it” stroppyoldgit

“ In this case, I've been speaking to people who have been caught up in this and right now the concern is for protecting them as much as possible” FTP

But now stroppy seems to be saying that it was all to protect the family of an agent provocateur. Why didn't he mention these concerns at the time ?

tomeile
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re: The others

10.01.2011 14:50

"Does this mean those already tried and given community orders, fines etc will have those orders removed?"

I doubt it -- AFAIK their plea was guilty where as in the cases that have been dropped the plea was innocent.

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I think it's an ex family

10.01.2011 15:17

Cos that's what he told his girlfriends in the movement.

You're mugs and nobody trusts you

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comments suck

10.01.2011 15:43

sort it out

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Photos - a bare-faced lie

10.01.2011 15:44

There have ALWAYS been LOADS of photos available to Mark Stone/Kennedy's inner circle.

I Know

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@tomeile

10.01.2011 15:50

Nobody has tried to suppress any information about Flash's activities whatsoever. If you know anything at all about his activities which hasn't been publicised, please publicise it now.

All that's been been kept under wraps is a single piece of information, supported by a document, about his family background. THAT'S ALL. Nothing to do with "activities". Please try to think straight.

Fortunately, there are enough sensible people around to ensure that networks he was involved in haven't fallen apart. Not yet, anyway, or in the future, I hope. If this miasma of half-truths, imagination, paranoia and made-up crap was allowed to prevail, it might have that effect.

What is the cops' aim? Disruption. Don't do their dirty work for them, please.

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This is the indy media

10.01.2011 17:18

""According to this BBC Newsnight report, the 10th January trial has collapsed after undercover cop Mark Kennedy changed sides and offered to give evidence on behalf of the defendant's.

It says, ""

INDY MEDIA not mainstream when it suits you!!

IMAC

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This is about more than Radcliffe

10.01.2011 17:23

I was asking for better pics on another Indymedia thread a few weeks back. I was told there weren't any. Then I open The Guardian and there's a cracker of the bastard, plus 2 others better than have previously appeared. So where did they come from? Incidentally the attempts to rehabilitate this cop, with which some activists are collaborating, really are sickening.

antifascist

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About the photos... again...

10.01.2011 17:51

Errr... maybe someone else came forward with them? Is that so hard to understand? Read my above post, think about it for a while and digest it.

We put up the best photos we had. Just cos other folks have now given others in, it doesn't mean we were involved in some mad conspiracy hiding them.

FFS, grow up.

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Don't slander the movement while protecting a cop

10.01.2011 18:38

It really is appalling that to cover their treachery the cop-protectors are prepared to slander the entire movement by suggesting that people within would harm a child if their protection were removed. Why can they not at least say which town or country Kennedy resides in so that people can be forwarned? It appears that they were prepared to give information aplenty to bourgeois journalists.

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Please stop telling lies

10.01.2011 18:58

Please stop lying about the photos, it's embarrassing. I know for a fact that at least 3 of those involved in 'confronting' Kennedy/Stone have access to scores of photos of him. I don't unfortunately, but I have seen them.

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Can it get any worse?!

10.01.2011 19:13

Is it true that one of the environmental movement's inveterate parasites was so scared of having his career fucked-up by a conviction in the Ratcliffe trial that he initiated contact with this cop? And that his posh-as-fuck girlfriend is due to appear on Newsnight tonight?

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Ain't we great?

10.01.2011 19:50

A cop bought us all beers for 6 years. When we found out he was a cop we had a chat about it. Yeah he blubbed a bit. We blubbed even more. We sent him on his way with a clean handkerchief and a promise to look after his boat and put in a good word with the papers. Didn't we do great?

Soppyoldgit

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Various fantasies

10.01.2011 20:17

@ antifascist Where and by who is this supposed attempt to "rehabilitate" this cop? I see no evidence of it. Unless you can give details it is pure fantasy. Some of the Defendants hoped he might be persuaded to give evidence to help them (always a forlorn hope, I think) but that fizzled out, with him complaining about concerns for his safety.

@ olaf Who has suggested anyone in our movement would harm a child? I certainly haven't. Another fantasy. But THE MEDIA would have no compunction. They don't give a shit. It would help if you read what people you criticise have actually said instead of making it up. If the details people were clamouring to have published earlier had been produced, the media would have descended on a child who was crucial in confirming Flash's true identity for reasons I'm not going to mention here. That's why it wasn't produced -because people REFUSED to subject a child to that sort of harassment and likely trauma.

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Flash

10.01.2011 21:25

So in amongst all this Bradley shared a van and drunk beer, now we pretend we all knew. I would still have done the action cop or not because I belive in what we do. Instead of climate change the media concentrate on the rogue cop, so who gave the weasel Day the right to represent the movement on TV and not talk about the effects of F F pollution and effect on the planet. As for the rest of this crap you lot are talking about the scum family then well done on follhowing the media circus. Trolls.

Ben S

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support

10.01.2011 21:35

Stuff you Ben S. Bradley speaks well and you know nothing.

Ronan

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FAO Stroppyoldgit

10.01.2011 21:56

I was referring to the Guardian piece - and the wankers who collaborated with it.

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R4

10.01.2011 22:16

R4 have just played part of a tape of a recording with MS and one of his protectors! How come it went to the BBC and not indymedia? What is going on?

WTF

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They should have left it to their solicitors?

10.01.2011 23:32

And miss a career opportunity? Sophie Nobody paid £5,000 for that suit!

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Telling tales out of school

10.01.2011 23:47

In my opinion ALL of the loose-lipped cunts talking to the media (eg

http://m.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/10/activist-undercover-officer-mark-kennedy?cat=environment&type=article) deserve a good fucking slap. Most of them barely knew Mark Stone.

Yes, that definitely includes you Alessio

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IMC done up like a kipper...again!

10.01.2011 23:53

Hope your all feeling fucking awful about this.

Next time you campaign on "government policy" and call it environmentalism you'll know what lengths the US and UK will go to to deflect attention away from the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Not only have you been campaigning on policy the US and UK have actively encouraged as a tactic to distract attention away from its wars, but you have also been fucked over by a one-eyed tinker toy met copper while you were doing it!

God help us all if the planet is relying on you lot to save it, but of course the planet doesn't need saving does it, not while the US/UK is killing the "non-aligned" by the metric fucking tonne!

Environmentalist's...blind as fucking bats the lot of yer!

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Attn Notts

11.01.2011 00:14

Since it's now clear that you were prepared to allow BBC journalists to view the documents you have relating to Kennedy, would you be so kind as to post up jpegs of them so that your lowly comrades can view them also?

Gary Baldy

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You're right anon but

11.01.2011 01:01

Having seen all the flapping, back-pedalling, and self-interested double-dealing displayed by this lot when faced with the prospect of a fine or suspended sentence, who the fuck would want to do anything serious with them?

Anarchist

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@ Anarchist

11.01.2011 09:45

"Having seen all the flapping, back-pedalling, and self-interested double-dealing displayed by this lot when faced with the prospect of a fine or suspended sentence, who the fuck would want to do anything serious with them?"
Exactly the elitist, excluding and divisive attitude I'm talking about. First time arrestees are tomorrow's more radical and determined activists. Unless completely ground down and ridiculed by the likes of you. Mark would be grateful..

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coming denouncement

11.01.2011 10:14

>>Like someone's already said, discuss it through the appropriate communication channels.

What are the 'appropriate communication channels'? Please provide them. Because soon there will be a text denouncing how this has been handled by the core group and the 6 Ratcliffe deniers and we want clarifications. The continuing protection affording to one of the enemy is disgusting, as is collaborating with mainstream media.

UK Activism - The joke of Europe.

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It IS disgusting

11.01.2011 10:44

I agree with Atamansha, there's much surrounding the Stone-Kennedy affair that is disgusting. The middle-class always look after themselves and will sell out everyone else. Their behaviour reflects upon the entire UK movement.

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Comments on here are becoming destructive and should be removed

11.01.2011 10:47

I don't know how many times this has to be said for it to sink into the small brains of people here. The 'core' group, who risked themselves exposing him, have ARE NOT PROTECTING MARK, NOR HAVE DONE ANY DEALS, NOR HAVE THEY TALKED TO THE MEDIA.

How hard is it to understand that? Denouncing people, including his long term girlfriend who helped expose him, is fucking unbelievably stupid and has no basis in reality. Think about it. And introduce yourself to the 'core' group (a label they'd laugh at and reject as they have not met as a 'group' since this happened) sometime and say you'd like to denounce them, I'd like to see their reaction...

Aaaarrgghhh!!!

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Hiding the debate

11.01.2011 11:04

This issue could hardly be more important. Yet no less than 30 comments have been selectively 'hidden' fro this thread (see

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/01/471795.html?c=all). Where are we (the disenfranshised majority of activists) SUPPOSED to discuss it, if there's a secret chatroom somewhere, I've never been given a password?

Shameful

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Hiding the debate

11.01.2011 11:05

This issue could hardly be more important. Yet no less than 30 comments have been selectively 'hidden' fro this thread (see

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/01/471795.html?c=all). Where are we (the disenfranshised majority of activists) SUPPOSED to discuss it, if there's a secret chatroom somewhere, I've never been given a password?

Shameful

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@ Shameful

11.01.2011 11:17

"Where are we (the disenfranshised majority of activists) SUPPOSED to discuss it, if there's a secret chatroom somewhere, I've never been given a password?"

There is abolutely nothing to be gained from a debate on the newswire. No-one has any idea who 'shameful' is and for all we know you could be a journo looking for information, or a cop looking for a conviction.

The newswire is for news, not for debate and a bunch of anonymous comments do not make a debate.

Try libcom if you want a debating forum:

http://libcom.org/forums/news/trial-collapses-after-undercover-officer-changes-sides-10012011

shameless

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@stroppyoldgit

11.01.2011 13:33

"What are you trying to achieve? You seem determined to provide the consolation of "disruption" to the cops in what is otherwise a hefty and satisfying kick up their blue serged arse. "

you are an idiot. i am smoking weed in the riviera and writing my book. my experience taught me that the movement in the UK is crap but the girls are cute and the drugs are cheap, and i should know i was selling them. holidays were on me! i wish i was back in nottingham, call me a waaaaaambulance.

long live dr simon lewis.and thanks for finding that great photo. shit, i'm hot!

Mark Stone

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Good German article plus pics

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