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The Muslim Defence League and anti Jewish racism.

The Muslim Defence League have said that they are 'defending all races & religion.' They have said that they are 'sick of racism from the EDL.' Their defence of 'all races & religion' does not extend to Jews. A number of anti Jewish posts have appeared on the MDL page & are not being removed. The MDL cannot claim to 'defend all races & religions' while stating that Jews should die & bark like dogs'.

The anti Jewish extremists who are collaborating with the Muslim Defence League are not being questioned on their anti Semitism. They are writing with unquestioned and unashamed hatred and racism towards Jews. MDL members have said that 'Jews should die' and 'Jews bark like dogs' on the MDL facebook page. Anyone reading it might well wonder if they have wandered onto a Combat 18 facebook site in error. The Muslim Defence League was started up by a man named [removed] who seperated from the original Socialist Worker Party Muslim Defence League run by Richard Seymour to start the Muslim Defence League, a seperate London based group using the same name. While there are no anti Semitic posts found in the SWP run MDL group there have been anti Semitic statements posted on theLondon MDL site. Unwitting and well meaning supporters should ask themselves why they are supporting a group that asks for the defence of Muslims but writes death threats and racist comments against Jews.

Rachel Cohen

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alarming but not surprising

07.10.2010 10:57

certainley not nice to see angry insulting language, but also not surprising
some muslims are understandably feeling very hard done by and persecuted themselves, the majority do not react to this angrily but unsurprisingly some do.
let us not forget that neither the muslims or the jews are races, they are religions,
both religions have members from many races (the myth of the jewish race has long been disproved)
basically we are all one family, and anything less than that is just bilf, so lets hope people associate less and less with these religions and more and more with all humanity and in fact all life.
also i am suspicious of this article as it has the tone of being a classic zionist propaganda story
i.e. equating anti zionism or insults about jews with racism.
lets be clear
zionism is not a religion it is a political movement, it is not the same as judaism
the zionist claim that all jews are descended from abraham and have a right to live in the promised land, is easily disproved without even needing to resort to gene testing
but studies have shown clearly that most modern jews are genetically russian, or eastern european and that very few are actually semitic, most modern semites are actually muslim!
some are jews and some are christians
i lived in israel for a long time and had many friends there, especially among the ethiopian jews.
they look very different to other israellis and it is quite apparant that they cannot possibly have come from the same family as the rest (who themselves are mostly russian) within about 100-150 generations.
ethiopian jews are persecuted horribly in israel by zionists (who themselves are almost entirely NOT semitic) because they are not 'real jews'.
its all a bit silly if you ask me.
but still the zionists whine on about antisemtism.
it is a difficult truth for some to swallow but israel is the most antisemitic country in the world and the palestinian people are the most semitic!

bilf

double standards

07.10.2010 11:57

I can't believe a poster is defending these comments on the MDL site: it shows the moral contortions some of these obsessive 'anti-imperialists' are going through to make allowances for extremist muslims in the name of anati EDL or 'anti-zionism' It's also revealing they don't make the same allowances for say working class EDL members who feel abandoned and lost in the neo-liberal paradise that is the UK and wrongly lash out, so they shouldn't for these racists/anti-semites. I mean, one of the posters on the MDL site is called 'Checheyan Wolf' which afaik was the symbol for militant Islam resistance in that country, does he condone the massacre at the Beslan school I wonder? I'm sure many Muslims who abhor the EDL and what is happening in Palestine would comdem these comments, why doesn't the left?

Imo, too many of these people infest the left in the uk and even in Europe, making excuses for all sorts of brutalities, In Malmo, Sweden, Jewish people have been forced to flee because of the levels of anti-semitism, can that be excused?
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What is happening in Palestine, etc is appalling and should be opposed but ''my enemys friend is certainly not my friend''!

real left

No Racism, No Fascism, No Islamophobia March

07.10.2010 13:14

It is a bit worrying, it light of this, that UAF have decided to side with MDL during the No Racism, No Fascism, No Islamphobia March due to happen in London this November!

worried

get your science straight

07.10.2010 14:34

'but studies have shown clearly that most modern jews are genetically russian, or eastern european and that very few are actually semitic, most modern semites are actually muslim! '

Simply not so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html

Defending antisemitism is one thing; lying outright about the genetic science is quite another.

straightener

Who gives a shit about genetic background?

07.10.2010 14:54

I don't understand all this stuff about how "pure" people's genetic background is. Who gives a shit what anyone's genes are? That sounds like eugenics, racial purity and inbreeding to me.

Why are some people so obsessed about whether they can trace all their ancestors back to some Biblical figures?

The sooner we flush religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam like the turds they are down the toilet pan of history, the better.

@theist

The comments were removed only as a result of the above article.

07.10.2010 15:09

The comments were there for 5 hours and 7 hours at least. The admins are interactive on the MDL facebook and either chose not to remove them or "didn't see them." The racist, anti Jewish comments were only removed as a result of the above article. The left and antiracists must be swift to condemn the MDL. The UAF should re think marching with the racist, anti Semitic MDL. If Combat 18 or the EDL had made those comments the left would react with justification against them and must do so against the MDL.

anon

proof?

07.10.2010 15:49

@anon

the charge the the MDS willingly ignore racist comments is quite a strong one. Do you have proof of how long the comment was up for and the MDL admins activity in that time?

ARPS

bilf

07.10.2010 16:15

You can understand racism, without in any way condoning it or dismissing discrimination. You fail to do that.

To equate the above article with Zionism is fucking outrageous! Discriminatory insults are the same thing as racism or anti-Semitism (without going into your whole can you be racist about eg travellers when maybe they are not all of the same race bullshit tangent)!

wtf

Lols

07.10.2010 18:23

''Its a big group, some racist nutters are bound to come on the group.'' Don't the EDL say the same thing?

bff

Facebook

07.10.2010 20:09

Got a little question: when did Indymedia become the Facebook gossip pages?

There's been torrents of this shit, mostly around the MDL and EDL but I've noticed it increasingly in other articles. Time was, Indymedia UK served a purpose as a news service, one that was used by activists around the country and served a vital purpose in connecting struggles and distributing information. Now it's essentially a forum for people to bicker about shit they saw on a social networking site.

Not saying these posts aren't a problem but seriously, get a grip.

anon

chechan wolf post

08.10.2010 05:47

Just because the chechen wolf post is above the rage moseley post on the screen doesnt mean it was posted earlier, the chechen world post is a comment on the previous post so of course it would come below on the screen. Again, if there were real evidence the MDL were leaving anti-semetic comments on their page that would of course be very serious but there isnt.

ARPS