freedom of infomation/police records/domestic extremism
some else | 19.09.2010 20:05
recently I got picked out of the crowd by a police inspector, who wanted to know my details, i thought this was really strange, as i'm always well behaved and not waving flags or placards, i told him my details, but i noticed he had in his hand a spotter card, i couldn't see who was one it, but thats something i don't want to be on.
If i ask for freedom of infomation thing from local police station would they tell me if i'm labelled a "domestic extremist"?
also what could the label of "domestic extremist" do? i haven't broken any laws in this country ever, will it stop me from getting certain jobs?
If i ask for freedom of infomation thing from local police station would they tell me if i'm labelled a "domestic extremist"?
also what could the label of "domestic extremist" do? i haven't broken any laws in this country ever, will it stop me from getting certain jobs?
some else
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19.09.2010 21:24
X treemist
Don't Delay
19.09.2010 23:05
U R Already Broken
NCDE
20.09.2010 07:52
You are not obliged to give your name and address to the police unless you are:
1. driving a motor vehicle
2. they want to send you a summons for a minor offence
3.when you are arrested, they simply won't release you until they find out who you are, unless they decide you are a complete innocent.
4 section 50 police reform act if they suspect that you are behaving in an anti social way. Peacefully protesting is responsible citizenship not "anti social" so tell them to fuck off if they try it and you really have just been standing about with a placard. They use section 50 a lot and I have been arrested twice for refusing details won my case and sued for £12,500 so it is worth standing your ground.
Don't worry about snide comments from other activists, some are a bit long in the tooth, cynical and grumpy forgetting that maybe other people, especially new people are nervous of the state and the consequences of questioning state power.
As it has come to light this week that other activists who are new have accepted cautions can I point out that this is usually a really bad idea. A caution is in law an admission of guilt for a criminal offence. It stays with you for life and has to be mentioned on any job application exempt from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act i.e any work with children or vulnerable adults and quite possibly banking etc. Many people just think it is a paper exercise and that it is a way of getting out of the cells. NO it is a way for the police to get a result for a case that they would have to otherwise drop as they have no evidence. Don't say anything to the police either apart from basics regarding custody, say nothing about the alleged offence, say nothing in interview, safest way.
Lynn Sawyer
police cautions are not for life
20.09.2010 09:51
mugumbo
@ Mugumbo
20.09.2010 10:47
5 years is a long time to have to wait for a time when you can omit mention of a caution for stacking shelves. Who is an employer going to go for? Someone with a caution? Someone without? Of course ideally working for shitty company is not ideal anyway but sometimes people might need paid work/go abroad. A caution can interfere with that
Lynn Sawyer
Cautions
20.09.2010 11:25
Kia
first off
20.09.2010 13:51
Put in your letter that you are concerned about how this may affect your employment prospects and ask where you can find out the details of the report the cop made and the spotter card.
You can also put in Data Protection Act 1998, requests to the local police, and the National Public Order Intelligence Unit at New Scotland Yard which is where this stuff is held.
If you do then ask for ALL the information they have on you, including pictures, emails letters etc and the details of the incident you describe should be on this too.
You do have to supply them with a photograph, 10 quid and proof of your identity, an NHS card is sufficient.
http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_the_public.aspx
copcopper
caution!
20.09.2010 13:55
The truth is that most people would rather sign an admission of committing some "offense" or other and be "let off" quick than face the punishment being put through a trial. The police force is very manipulative.
henry twigger
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20.09.2010 18:33
evidence for a caution is the same for a charge (PACE). There are thing called "chargeing standards" this also means that a caution can be offered, it is NOT as Lynn said a criminal conviction, it is a police warning and is only admisable if wanting to work with children or vulnerable people (SWP;), unless of couse Lynn likes the idea of some nasty but cautionable people working with children?
anon
@ anon
21.09.2010 04:11
Lots of people have no convictions or cautions but have still raped and molested children, whether or not someone has a criminal record/a caution is not a good way of determining character. Some of the greatest characters in history were "criminals", the suffragettes, Ghandi, Martin Luther King.. . It is a matter of fact not opinion that cautions have to be declared in certain situations for life and my concern is that activists are accepting them without realising the consequences.
Lynn Sawyer