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West Yorkshire Hunt Sabs | 22.07.2010 11:26 | Animal Liberation | Repression | Social Struggles | Sheffield

We Need YOUR help to get a new Landy!

Support Our Sabs! - Land Rover Appeal

With all the bad news for wildlife that comes with the recent election, we want to do something good. We're trying to raise around £5000 to buy a new Land Rover for our group.
For the last 3 years we've been piling our Sabs over to Sheffield every week.
Buying a Land Rover would double the number of Sabs we can get out in Yorkshire,
and make travelling a lot easier.

We need YOUR help to make this happen; we need people to help us with fund-raising, and we also need people to make some donations. (Credit and Debit cards now accepted via our Paypal).

When Cameron repeals the hunting ban, we're going to need to step up the fight against hunting, an extra 12 Sabs and the manoeuvrability of an extra vehicle will give us a much needed edge to carry on the work we do.

We NEED your help though, so far we have raised £2,000. We're going to need around another £3,000 to get a decent vehicle and tax and insure it. (Not to mention fuel...)

PLEASE help us get out in the field.
We need,
1)Money and lots of it!
2)People to help us fund-raise
3)People willing to do some fund-raising independently and send us the money (whip round at work, do a sponsored walk, sell some cakes to your friends, whatever!)
4)Businesses willing to let us have a donation bucket in their shops
5)If all goes to plan - people to fill the spaces in our lovely new Landy!
6)We also need some more sabbing equipment, please see the * section at the bottom of the post for more details.

West Yorkshire Hunt Sabs use non-violent Direct Action to stop hunters killing animals.
We use tactics that do not hurt any animals (including hunt dogs and horses), and are non-violent and non-confrontational, however we will defend ourselves if we are attacked.
We go out every Saturday, and hopefully with our new vehicle we'll be able to do even more midweeks than last season! (hunters beware)

You can find more information about us, look at our reports from the last season, and you can Donate on our website →  http://westyorkshirehuntsabs.wordpress.com/

If your interested in getting involved either as a supporter, fund-raiser, driver or as a Hunt Sab please contact us at  westyorkshuntsabs@yahoo.co.uk (If you want to sab but don't live near us contact the Hunt Saboteurs Association:  info@huntsabs.org.uk to find your local group).


*We also need some other items we would prefer not to buy, please get in contact if you can donate us any old; OS maps,
essential oils (especially Citronella and Eucalyptus but we can try others) ,
2 way Radios/Mobile phones,
cameras/camcorders,
old climbing rope (for making a whip cracking noise),
fancy GPS equipment (it's worth a try).

If you believe that wealthy landowners riding round on horses, hunting innocent animals for fun and tradition is wrong,
PROVE IT, get involved and help us SAVE LIVES.

West Yorkshire Hunt Sabs

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northern indymedia

22.07.2010 12:21

Could someone please Re-post this on northen Indymedia, doesn't seem to be working for me.

Sab lovor

yes but not a Land Rover, please

22.07.2010 13:38

Land Rover's are under consumer boycotts for their use by repressive regimes - try getting another vehicle that meets your needs and doesn't have others blood on it, please. Thanks

supporter

action reports

22.07.2010 13:48

just looked at your action reports - well done guys, thats some seriously good stuff!( http://westyorkshirehuntsabs.wordpress.com/what-weve-done-action-reports/)

(A)

landrover -pros and cons

22.07.2010 13:53

Thing about the "sab Landrover" is that its probably the best vehicle for sabbing available,
4x4, 12 seats, its well camoflauged in with hunt support vehicles, it handles well off road, won't get stuck in mud and they last forever.

I've not heard of any other decent 4x4's that have 12 seats, willing to stand corrected if you know of one (that will be available for the sabs to buy cheaply)

most Car companys have horrible pasts, hopfully the impact of the sab's will go some way towards counteracting the evil of the company (and maybe diswade a few toffs from investing in landrover!)
I suppose it'll be 2nd hand anyway, so no money will be going to landrover.

sab

Of course it will be 2nd, 3rd,4th........hand

22.07.2010 18:59

Is someone seriously suggesting that the landrover will be fresh off the forecourt for 5 grand? It is about 30-40 grand for a shiny new landie and anyone who buys a new one for sabbing would need their head examined. Landrover is not making any money here so why the fuss? I understand the boycott on Landrover whose vehicles are used to massacre innocent people but I seriously doubt that anyone reading these pages would ever be in a position to own a new one even if they wanted to. Landrovers are the best thing for the job like a mini tank and it could be agued that ideally really no cars should be used but me and a freind sabbed on our bikes once and it was not as effective, believe me. I have a battered old VW Golf so I suppose you could argue that is really bad too, connection with the Nazis and all that.

Lynn Sawyer

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4X4 past actions.

23.07.2010 13:47

Sheffield activists have attacked 4x4 on forecourts to highlight the environmental impact, claiming these actions on behalf of AR/environmental campaigning.

Now you are expecting people to raise/donate vast amounts of cash to purchase a 4x4! Based on past campaigns dubious financial record I would not feel comfortable handing over any amount of cash to this sort of campaign. Register as a charity and I will donate a vehicle with a full tank of fuel. I will also pay for the first years insurance.

rich

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Ex-WD

23.07.2010 15:07

£5k sounds a bit steep especially when you consider it might get trashed. Have you considered buying an ex-army Landrover from an auction? You should get something decent for a reasonable price, perhaps even one with armour plating. Do make sure you have a competent mechanic with you though so you don't end up with a lemon.

NP

responces

23.07.2010 16:17

well, the first responce I guess is that we've never trashed any 4x4s as you suggest.
Thats just bull.

We need a 4x4 to get through mud, to get to where the action is, and to stay safe.
you can't really get arround it without sacrificing effeciancy.

secondly, what doubious record? this year is the first we've raised any money from any one, and our record is squeeky clean.
We registered as a charity for a number of reasons, including but not limited to,
1) registered charitys have a board of trustees who have authority over the organisations actions.
2) charitys need staff, we are an non-heirarchical group, with no leaders.
3) our group is subject to a huge amount of police scrutany, we wouldn't be accepted.
4) it takes lots of time, effort and money that could be used saving animals.
5) theirs loads of formalitys and other things you have to do to keep the status.
6) it puts our members at risk.
7) if the ban's repealed we'll go back to being an illegal organisation, can't have an illegal charity.
8) what would the benefit be?

If you really have that money floating about, email us, prove that you have the money, and we'll think about it, but to be honest, I'm fairly sure I know who you are and that your just sturing up trouble.

secondly

£5,000 is a price we can definatly get a landrover for, you've got to remember, without fail every week our van gets a full police inspection, it can't just be road worthy, it has to be in really good nick.
we've heard of people buying used landys as cheap as £3,500.
But if we managed to raise £5,000 we'd have a landy 110 with 12 seats, no problem, and might be able to cover the tax or part of the insurance with the spare.

a WYHS sab

correction

23.07.2010 16:32

"We registered as a charity"
should be "We Haven't registered as a charity..."
forgive the Typo

correction

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happy to help

23.07.2010 16:57

Although I am not involved with the group (if it were not for health problems I would) I know of them and fully support the people involved and the great work they do.

I will be happy to donate to such a great group

Chris

re Rich

23.07.2010 17:02

Registering as a charity would take energy and time that we would rather put to direct action. We are part of the Hunt Sabs Assosiation, which has been a well respected establishment for longer than i've been on the planet.

Re the Sheffield activists who burn the 4 x 4's - we are seeking a 4 x 4 which is probably going to be in the region of 10 - 30 years old, as are most sab vans. We promise not to do the school run in it. Like any other 'tool' it is a means to an end. Handcuffs, for example, are wonderful for lock ons but shite in the hands of the police.

We are a new collective of existing sabs - drawn together for our anti-hunting beliefs and our geographical location. We have no history, dubious or otherwise.

If you want to donate than thats great - otherwise do us a favour and stop making our work more difficult than it already is with your moaning.

foxlet

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Smells of biting the hand that might feed you.

23.07.2010 17:37

Firstly I would like to withdraw the offer after reading a couple of replies.

Secondly, who mentioned burning 4x4s..? Was this a slip?

Thirdly, who said sabs did the attacks on 4x4s..? Maybe another slip?

I remember reading on directaction.info all about the spate of actions on 4x4 owner in Sheffield last year. These actions were claimed in the name of AR/environmental campaigning. I do believe that there is a STRONG connection between sabs up north and anti-vivisection campaigns and we all know of the historic connection between sabs and AR direct action campaigning. A 30 year old Landi is hardly the best way to go if you are serious about the environment

So you require people to prove their financial position before you will accept donations? Gift horse and mouth springs to mind. You don't know who I am and if you do from one post on a news feed then you should hone that ability, really you will earn millions and have no need to beg.

Please do enlighten us all to who I am.

foxlet.

You do have a history.

Tell us all how activist who street collect can have a stash of £100,000 when arrested? Maybe you should look to your own for the funds, you seem to have more than most.


I have a 110 but it will be best left to rot.

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rich

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wtf

23.07.2010 17:56

-sheffield is not in west yorkshire,
-You mentioned "activists" trashing 4x4's
-anyone can donate on our website, but we're not running hoops for some mentalist nutter on the internet
- who got arrested with £100,000? We've only done 1 street stall, and didnt make anything! and have had no arrests!
- we've got a "landy'o'meter" that shows everyone how much we have at the minute, its no where near that amount.

I'm fairly sure someone being arrested with £100,000 would be big news, stop making stuff up.

sab

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re rich

23.07.2010 19:19

Keep your 110 mate - but why not write a story book to raise some funds for us... such an overactive imagination shouldn't be wasted.

foxlet

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nonsence

23.07.2010 19:21

just looked at the biteback reports, and could only the one below, but the above poster is right, sheffield is not in west yorkshire, and having its own sab group naturally wouldn't fall into the west yorkshire groups catchment area either!


June 12, 2008 -- McDonalds Redecorated

anonymous report:

"McDonalds in South Yorkshire had their toilets redecorated with 'Free Sean Kirtley' posters and 'McDonalds=McMurder' (Sheffield & Barnsley restaurants)

Till all are free..

PS: Some SUVs at a garage on Ecclesall Rd, Sheffield, needed their paintwork redoing after a little redecoration in red...free Jeff Luers!"

poor

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@ sab

24.07.2010 10:17

I think rich is referring to SHAC. When the police raids took place it was reported in the mainstream media that one of the people arrested had £100 000 in cash in their house. I'm not sure if it was ever revealed who this was and there is always the possibility they got the figure wrong or just made up the whole story but I'm sure Lynn Sawyer will fill us in with the facts.

NP

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times

24.07.2010 11:25

ah well, we've only been going for 3 years, and all the shac stuff went down before that, its a completely different group, with completely different members, if we had £100,000 we wouldn't be appealing for money would we?
we've made less than £100 so far from this appeal, that we're REALLY happy about, because to us thats a lot of money.
I really hope that people see through this bloke's comments, if you do have concerns about our group, contact the well established nottingham or sheffield group(s). who I'm sure will have nothing but good things to say about us (unless you ask if we can be trusted with vegan chocolate cake!).

Thank you to everyone who has donated so far, and thank you to everyone who still plans to donate, this money will really help us get where we need to be, in the field - saving lives.

sab

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£

24.07.2010 17:52

What's wrong with having £10K in an activist (not activist's) house? It's not exactly going to be for a holiday is it?!

10k

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to sab

25.07.2010 10:14

We don't need to ask Sheffield and Notts sabs, it was claimed no connection above, we are west yorks sabs. In reality the connection is unavoidable and you are all basically the same group who all sab together.

The problem with anything going down in Yorkshire is the Steele connection. Might as well invite the police along.

I like the way you dismiss the anti vivisection connection (SHAC) you all have been on SHAC demos.
You can't get anything done while you have the Steele connection.

rich

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steele

25.07.2010 11:20

luke isn't one of our sabs, we've nothing to do with him.
please check your facts before you slag our group off.
luke is a member of west yorkshire animal rights, they do demos and stuff,
we are west yorkshire hunt sabs, the only thing we share is a geographical area.

a sab

Don't play the police's games!

25.07.2010 12:40

Question: Why should you feel you have to distance yourself from a specific (named) activist, simply because a faceless individual on a blogging site doesn't like them?

Question: Why should you feel you have to justify someone you have never met having £100,000 on them when they were raided (even notwithstanding the fact they were later released without charge and the money had nothing to do with animal rights)?

Question: Why should a sab group who want to invest in a second hand vehicle, which can easily be converted to run on vegetable oil, be called hypocrites because someone else chose to burn some 4x4's?

When it is a known the fact that the police pay PR companies to post on here (and indeed often post themselves), it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out the motivations behind these divisive comments.

You gain nothing from engaging these people. I would call them idiots, but they aren't (at least not in the mindless dumb troll sense), they are playing a deliberate, clinical long term game of trying to divide the AR movement from the rest of the activist community, and also within itself. Should sabs feel they have to distance themselves from SHAC? No. Should anti fur campaigners have to distance themselves (aside from for legal reasons) from the ALF? No.

You wouldn't talk to the cops on a demo, or in an interview, so why talk to them on here? Why give them the satisfaction of watching you draw self imposed lines within our movement due to a few carefully selected words on their part, when instead we could be the one's laughing at the blatant attempts at divide and rule, our laugher motiving our passion when we exact revenge on their mind games by upping our actions?

This sab group wants money for a landy. Some people will have concerns about Land Rover as a company, or about the environmental implications, these can be easily assuaged, at least to the point of mutual understanding if not full agreement via the fact that it is second hand and can be converted to run on vege oil. The bullshit posted by the cops on the other hand should be ignored.

Don't let the cops run Indymedia, it's time we took it back!

Cop Cruncher

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utter

26.07.2010 16:38

Bollocks!

luke isn't one of our sabs, we've nothing to do with him.
please check your facts before you slag our group off.
luke is a member of west yorkshire animal rights, they do demos and stuff,
we are west yorkshire hunt sabs, the only thing we share is a geographical area.

peapod

Charity status is a bad thing

26.07.2010 19:54

"Register as a charity and I will donate a vehicle with a full tank of fuel. I will also pay for the first years insurance."

I realise this is just a troll with no vehicle to donate at all, but really you should avoid donating to registered charities. It's much better to donate to organisations who don't have charitable status.

Charity status is designed to neuter effective campaigns by making them welfarist and reactionary. Charities aren't allowed to do anything political and they must benefit humans in some way. Political activism (preferably not party political) is essential to really change anything.

anon

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It's alive Mike, it's alive............

28.07.2010 07:22

Great wisdom there my friend, good advice that should be taken and a kind offer too. Finally stay well clear of Steele, he attracts too much attention and all to feed his own silly little ego. Several very good mature sensible activists avoid actions because of his ever annoying presence.

Macca

divide and rule

29.07.2010 14:15

All these comments about Luke are shite, I see the trolls have been let out to play again. A simple request has been turned into a discussion about other activists who have nothing to do with the matter in hand after initial pinickety criticism about landies failed to win votes.

Lynn Sawyer

To indymedia

29.07.2010 16:27

we've sent several emails and had no reply, could you please delite/hide all these comments, they have nothing/little to do with our appeal.
Thanks

West Yorkshire Hunt Sabs

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WTF!

30.07.2010 15:10

I can understand the troll comments being removed from this post but why has mine been deleted too? What is controversial about suggesting that a sab group might save money buying a Landrover from a motor auction? That's what I would do. Investing £5k in a vehicle that might be wrecked by hunt supporters the first time it is used sounds unwise to me. I remember when I was an active sab a few years ago, we spent as little as possible on vehicles, in fact the last one we bought cost us all of £200 and was perfectly adequate for our needs.

NP

chill out NP

30.07.2010 18:44

theirs 13 comments, just wanted rid.
we answered your question anyway, if you still think you could get a decent landy for that price, why not email us some ads? we intend on getting one as cheap as possible, but prices have gone up, and we can't afford to get a repair job, money and time wise.
sorry to have offended you, its not your comment we want deliting, its the troll-tastic wind ups we want rid of.

west yorkshire sab

No offence taken

31.07.2010 10:44

I'm not annoyed with you, I just don't like being mistaken for a troll, especially as I'm a retired sab!

NP

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