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Why Animal Rights People are Wrong

Klamber | 17.07.2010 18:28 | Analysis | Culture | Ecology | Oxford

The short answer is Human Nature...

We are human beings... not angels or machines, human beings have been hunting, fishing and gathering food long before recorded history. I enjoy hunting and fishing for edible food... it is most rewarding and I have been doing this since childhood with my brothers and friends. We also like to gather any wild fruits or berries too.

Having said that, I would also like to make it clear that most hunters and fishermen have the highest regard for animals and nature in general... if you pick up any book on hunting or speak to any decent hunter they will emphasise the goal of a "clean kill". Animal suffering is not the objective, it is for the natural and healthy activity of hunting and being able to take home fresh food for the table. A feeling that is difficult to express... this is human nature.

Those who have been lured into the Animal rights or liberation movements are being used by cynical politicians and globalists with an agenda... they want us off the land and crammed into the towns and cities.

To be continued...

Klamber

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Not a blogging site

17.07.2010 18:45

these may be your personal views but I am not sure how that makes them news.
I suggest you find a blogging site to post on.

A reader


indymedia is not for this

17.07.2010 18:52

dont use this web site for your own pathetic grumbles please its for anoucing actions and events and keeping people informed on issues, i hope the modirator takes this off soon.

p.s my email address is  skippy@riseup.net if u want to debate this you can email me or talk to a freind!
if you do email to debate with me begin by considering how flawed a 'its human nature' agument really is. for example - 1 our lives are anything but natural! 2. i doubt u only hunt/ forage for all ure food! 3. its sounds all to much like "gay sex is ageinst human nature"

Ben


The Human part is the problem

17.07.2010 19:12

So you wanna eat meat fine, but there are very few "real" live "wild" animals around these days.
I'd go for a little less of the Human and more of the nature.
Go fishing in an artificial lake or a Salmon farm, maybe. Or hunting for GM Pheasants that are reared in captivity and released into "the wild" so that s called "sportsmen" can blast them with shotguns.
That is of course if you consider a game reserve as being anything to do with nature.
Grouse are Wild and not so easy to hit and shooting them is very popular with the rich and famous, perhaps you can afford it ?
Most Animal rights actions are against farming methods and vivisection, these are both cases which prove that old Humans are past masters at performing inhumane acts on an everyday basis.

Dick Duck


Shouldnt be drawn into this

17.07.2010 22:19

Shouldnt be drawn into this, as rightly stated this isnt the place for this but how exactly is being for animal rights wanting people to be off the land and crammed into cities? People that dont eat meat still eat food which has to be grown in soil which is found in greater quantity in the countryside, or at least not so buried under tarmac and concrete.

A plant based diet can be better for the land as it doesnt require so much of it, as with animal agriculture you generally have to grow food for the animals as well as have land for the animals. So it can work out a lot more efficient to use land to grow food straight for humans.

Bop


Welcome discussion

17.07.2010 23:06

I have been veggie for 18 years and vegan for 10 but I welcome articles like this. We should discuss such issues and Indymedia should welcome varity of opinion. In my more militant days I'd have had a go at the poster for such views but he has some valid points. The problem I have with this kind of person is, yes, he/she may hunt/fish from time to time but probably most of their food will come from the usual sources supermarket, via factory farm. I still think being vegan is best if you want to be kind to animals. How can shooting a bird out of the sky or putting a hook through a fishes mouth and suffocating it ever be 'humane'?

Anon


By way of response...

18.07.2010 00:31

I am not trying to provoke emotions, but rather thoughts... While I agree that there is mindless cruelty to animals in laboratories and other places and it is wrong, the pursuits of hunting and fishing are natural human pursuits as I stated before and trying to abolish them would not only be impossible in the long run but could also trigger a very strong lashback.

I would also like to emphasise the fact that I do believe that Animal Rights activists are being used by a minority to create diversions from other politically sensitive subjects like the Common Land issues... the self-styled aristocrats and robber barons have driven the common people off the land all over the world and forced them into wage slavery in the towns and cities.

I am sure that there are many people, like myself that hunt and fish who are quite happy to discuss these issues and come to various agreements that would benefit all, including animals and the environment.

With respect.

Klamber


Is AR being used or is it the "cowboy-hunter",drug patient?

18.07.2010 04:13

Ive been vegan-veggie12yrs+, if forced due to another ice age etc, I would likely eat meat again2 survive, but now the most sensible dietary way to stop the NWO which is the crusty OldWorldOrder repacked & for people& planet2 survive is2 go Veggie,vegan, even healthier& easier Rawfood.
Its more humane, sustainable,easier,much healthier, many big pharmaceutical companies would rather be selling unsafe,dodgily tested drugs so dont support them & klamber out of your bunker please. Yep crazed killer animals or invasive" not natural" predators may need birth control or drugging, but theres no need to kill except in vextreme circumstances.
I dont think hunting is evil or bad, its better than industrial or "organic"meat farming which often crossbreed diseases , its just not healthy& is often less efficient+ I know from experience doing a clean kill is vvvhard, u often have2 cause alot of pain before u get that good& even then "mistakes"happen.

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