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English Defence League ejected from Sheffield Indymedia Meeting

Sheffield IMC | 13.07.2010 21:07 | Anti-racism | Sheffield

The EDL were ejected from a Sheffield Indymedia meeting at around 8:30pm on 13th July 2010.

Video The EDL on their way out of a Sheffield Indymedia - video/3gpp 4.0M


Around a dozen blokes and one woman entered a meeting of the Sheffield Indymedia collective saying we are the EDL, we are not racists. They were told to leave and a scuffle broke out as they left and tried to snatch the phone that took the attached video.

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Still photos from the film

13.07.2010 22:48

EDL at Sheffield Indymedia meeting 1
EDL at Sheffield Indymedia meeting 1

EDL at Sheffield Indymedia meeting 2
EDL at Sheffield Indymedia meeting 2

EDL at Sheffield Indymedia meeting 3
EDL at Sheffield Indymedia meeting 3

EDL at Sheffield Indymedia meeting 4
EDL at Sheffield Indymedia meeting 4

Here are some stills taken from the film, just to make it easier for people to see them.

The guy in the light jacket is the one taking photos. The one in the camo jacket tries to shield his face from the video.

I'm assuming these are all the EDL people. If not, please remove them.

gimp

EDL surveilled too

14.07.2010 00:05

2 Special Branch cops on political duty left shortly after the EDL

Dunno if they were with the EDL or watching them, but one should never underestimate the power of the state to divide and rule.

Copwatch

some more screen shots

14.07.2010 00:26








not great quality... but perhaps better than nothing

sheff imc

MPEG Version of Video

25.07.2010 21:48

EDL Leaving Sheffield Indymedia Meeting - video/mp4 1.7M

If the 3GPP video above didn't work try this MPEG version.

Also there is some more information on this here:

 http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/2010/07/456107.html#edl

Sheffield Indymedia

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EDL go to Hell! Take your Nazi mates as well!

13.07.2010 21:30

EDL are scums!

anon

EDL go to Hell! Take your Nazi mates as well!

13.07.2010 21:30

EDL are scums!

anon

Why the agro?

13.07.2010 21:33

Why not win them over with debate rather than throw them out?

anon

questions, not answers

13.07.2010 22:04

A big decision.

What do we WANT (the currently existing) network of sites that is Indymedia to be? Do we want Indymedia to stand for free expression or not? Perhaps it is better if we do away with that, decide that Indymedia should be Leftmedia instead and leave it up to others committed to the orginal Indymedia concept to create a new network "Freemedia" (and perhaps the right wing nuts can create their own "RightThinkingMedia").

ROFLOL been there done that. Back in the 60's at the uni I was at a few of us anarchists organized a "Free U" precisely in protest that the "Free U" in NYC was NOT ideologically free. Please udnerstand, all few of us were "left" anarchists but that did not matter with regard to what was to us a perversion of the concept "free" (BTW; was very successful, evolved into the non-credit short courses later to be found at many American U's).

Understand that many of us well still support an "unfree" Indymedia, just wouldn't look at it the same way.

PS --- only indirectly connected to the story. There might well have been GOOD reasons to kick the EDLers out of the meeting. Behavior for example, or they might have indicated non support for free independent media. My comment is directed assuming that the reason was "wrong thinking". Hell, I think the tinfoil hat conspiracy nuts are wrong thinking; but not that they should be excluded. If we want a FREE media. Maybe we don't (and maybe we shouldn't -- I am posing questions, not answers).

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indymedia screwed up

13.07.2010 22:16

how did they know where your meeting was, you idiots, i take it the muscle men of indymedia ejected them, yea right ! in your dreams

anon

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photo,s

13.07.2010 22:27

only wanted ansers ...1 man was helpfull ,,putting family,s at risk ,,

jeff barns

@MDN: Indymedia isn't supposed to be "free" media...

13.07.2010 22:34

...in the sense that anyone can use it to promote any garbage.

It has always been supposed to be a non-hierarchical alternative to the mainstream media, which means it has a specific set of values. It was never supposed to be unbiased or open to all ideas.

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/mission.html

"While the mainstream media conceal their manifold biases and alignments, we clearly state our position. Indymedia UK does not attempt to take an objective and impartial standpoint: Indymedia UK clearly states its subjectivity."

anon

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how did 4 indymedia eject 13 edl !

13.07.2010 22:35

there was only 4 indymedia at the meeting, how did you eject all 13 of them !

anon

@anon

13.07.2010 22:35


"how did they know where your meeting was"

Because EDL = MI5 !!!!




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Fucking AFED

13.07.2010 22:42

See  http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/2010/07/455467.html have a role in Sheffield Indymedia there lack of action is putting others at serious fucking risk. Its not time that we take the rise of The EDL serious and begin to organise by that means and not place info of meetings in public?

D.Dave

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never thrown out walked maybe

13.07.2010 22:42

walked away

jeff barns

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Not news? unless they tell us how it is..

13.07.2010 23:11

Seems that The Middle Class putting The Working Class at risk is not news? unless they tell us how it is yes comments has been hidden, no matter what this time round people need to know and understand the truth and it be of use if Sheffield Indymedia stoped hiding news/comments that expose AFED and the risk they pose..


See  http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/2010/07/455467.html have a role in Sheffield Indymedia there lack of action is putting others at serious fucking risk. Its not time that we take the rise of The EDL serious and begin to organise by that means and not place info of meetings in public?

D.Dave

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Free from any form of "extremism,"

13.07.2010 23:25

There is something mildly amusing about the notion of EDL members casually strolling into a Indymedia meeting – imagine the sense of shocked indignation from the assembled anarchos and ‘student vanguard’ at the arrival of manual workers: ‘Is that some sort of vulgar white van outside? Is that brick dust on his nylon clothes..? Is that the ‘Sun’ on the dashboard? My God, how dare they come here. Tarquin, call the Police, immediately!’

I imagine that for the average AFED activist meeting somebody who actually works for a living (outside of local government) is probably analogous to an anthropologist meeting an indigenous tribal. ‘Nigel, I’m afraid these people are all very well in books and magazines, but the romance simply evaporates when one is subjected to their ridiculous beliefs and habits, let alone their lamentable standard of personal hygiene.’

This said WTF are people doing following the events in Leeds 3 7 010, did it occur to you lot to think about security and before this comment is hidden, because you can not deal with The Working Class been against you, then when we are assumed racist etc etc?

No we stand for Anarchy Truth Justice and Liberty we desire a better world,free from any form of "extremism," but extremism only becomes a problem when we The Working Class have been marginalised think on why there is the rise of The EDL, take a look at yourself your part of the problem not the solution work it out, and lets build a real working class movement that says fuck any form of "extremism," and free from any form of "extremism,"

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edl confront indymedia in sheffield; 10 edl attend indymedia meeting

13.07.2010 23:38

EDL take over indymedia meeting. 10 edl members walked into an indymedia meeting in sheffield only four indymedia members were there, this just proves how small this indymedia organisation is.

Questions were asked about why indymedia have waged a smear campaign against the EDL and why they continue to print peoples personal details on their website, the indymedia that were there denied the allegations, as the EDL were leaving indymedia attempted to film the EDL and a brief scuffle broke out. Indymedia claim on their website that the EDL were ejected from their meeting, we would like to know how four of them ejected ten EDL ! This is another victory for the EDL as many of us have had enough of this group verbally abusing the EDL.

Here`s the link but it`s the usual nonsense as indymedia are the biggest deniers of reality on the planet.
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/07/455543.html

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here we go again...

14.07.2010 06:30

Sorry that this isn't in any way on topic, but this is beginning to annoy me - underclassrising.net:

Stop trying to have a dig at the AF for being "middle class", it's beginning to get really old. And I know you know, or are at least familiar with, some of them, so you know like half of them do work for a living, and the other half are normal students mostly from working class backgrounds - where exactly are these people who would have a problem with some who drives a white van? In fact, can you actually point me to anyone in it who isn't working class?

We get it, you have something personally against them, but seriously, it's boring now. Whenever there is a post on here mentioning the words "Sheffield" and "AF" there will always be some comment from you which doesn't really have anything to add other than "yea, but you know they're all like middle class and have never even SEEN a working class person before right?".

"...because you can not deal with The Working Class been against you..."

What, are YOU The Working Class now? YOU'RE not, so stop assuming you speak for them.

Ae

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RE here we go again...

14.07.2010 06:56

One we have never said there are not working class people involved in AFED.

Two we have never said we was the vanguard of the working class.

Three when Sheffield AFED stop putting people at risk and stop telling/speeding lies misinformation and all so think on from Leeds to Sheffield.

How your lack of security has given The EDL a ego boast, this places a lot of people at very serious risk ie The Working Class you say you are and proclaim to be fighting for, yes it is tiresome that your lack of thought and actions place people at very serious risk where to be frank we need not be, you lot are what The SWP/UAF are to the left a problem not a solution..

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your meeting was taken over

14.07.2010 07:13

the photos suggest that the edl took over your meeting, and indymedia spent all that time slagging leeds afed. indymedia you are complete liars

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I'm not actually part of the AF...

14.07.2010 07:20

but whatever:

"One we have never said there are not working class people involved in AFED."

Really? Because you seem to be suggesting it here:

- "I imagine that for the average AFED activist meeting somebody who actually works for a living (outside of local government) is probably analogous to an anthropologist meeting an indigenous tribal."

and here:

- "imagine the sense of shocked indignation from the assembled anarchos and ‘student vanguard’ at the arrival of manual workers: ‘Is that some sort of vulgar white van outside? Is that brick dust on his nylon clothes..? Is that the ‘Sun’ on the dashboard? My God, how dare they come here. Tarquin, call the Police, immediately!’"

"Two we have never said we was the vanguard of the working class."

I was taking the piss a bit, because you said: "because you can not deal with The Working Class been against you", which isn't quite accurate, some EDL members who happen to be working class are against them (I'm sure that'll make them cry) and you are.

You're right, the AF have cocked up - the should've thought about security more, they didn't, you live and learn. You, however, can not try to make out that you are all holier than thou. You constantly come on here to slag them off. If you have something constructive to say then fair enough, but you just spent over half your original post trying to make out they're all people who've never worked a day in their lives and are totally disconnected from the vast majority of the population - this is ridiculous.

Ae

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I'm not actually part of the AF...

14.07.2010 07:54

Now who said you was? Seems your taking out of context what is been said, but then friends of AFED would do that, there is nothing any one can defend about AFED there not nice people as far as we are concerned it is a long story, but when has a criticism been a slagging off.

Just for information underclassrising.net do not know AFED, yes we have this misfortune to meet members of AFED but we do not would not like to know them and as such we spend as much time as we can in avoiding them.

This said we made an effort, but they come back with a slur one of us was racist, taking out of context what was been said, but then we expect nothing moor and you have just proven how little trust the working class should place in the likes of AFED..

underclassrising.net

Are people failing to understand

14.07.2010 08:14

Are people failing to understand that the fact Leeds AFED due to their actions (or lack of them) have given the vile racist scum of The EDL a confidence boost, what ever the problems be with underclassrising.net (there many) but far less than AFED, the lack of security at the meeting in Leeds has placed some very good people at Sheffield Indymedia at risk and perhaps instead of hiding comments that are critical of AFED they need to understand who there true friends are and now stop promoting Sheffield AFED as the only voice of Anarchism here in Sheffield and i re-post this as i feel it is important that people understand the problem and when underclassrising.net say that AFED are like The SWP/UAF there about right..

See  http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/2010/07/455467.html have a role in Sheffield Indymedia there lack of action is putting others at serious fucking risk. Its not time that we take the rise of The EDL serious and begin to organise by that means and not place info of meetings in public?

D.Dave

Tommy Robinson and Sheffield Grassing

14.07.2010 09:29


At least five of these fascist losers were with "Tommy Robinson" when he was arrested at the Sheffield Cop Shop before the Bolton demo. Remember what happened, and how, folliowng their "deal" they were treated with kid-gloves at Bolton and the UAF were arrested on trumped-up charges, in return for secret info on some of Britain's most dangerous football hooligans.

Maybe some of these cretins who invaded the Sheffield meeting also followed suit with BNP member Yaxley-Lennon and turned into state sitches for Special Branch.

I wander how the EDL rank-and-file hooligans and bit-part Sun-reading hooligans feel about being shopped to the cops before the World Cup?

Grass Watch

Wasps In The Honey Trap

14.07.2010 10:12

As part of the Tory government's love-in with the likes of the Daily Mail, David Cameron are planning a serious crack down on football hooliganism when the new season begins as part of a law and order vote retainer to ensure the Tories get re-elected in middle england. All of these "proper hooligans" who were enticed to attend EDL events 'cos of the camaraderie, will have a nasty shock coming when the police produce evidence tapes from Wetherspoons toilets hidden cameras etc.

And the EDL think it is the anti-racists who are mugs?

The Casuals United blog keeps on trying to cover up the truth cos Jeff Marsh is in on the plot.

Former Casual

Just a thought:

14.07.2010 10:39

Did it cross anyone's mind to actually discuss politics with these people ? does it cross anyone's lilly white and pure left mind that they might actually wish to understand whats going on and came along expecting to be politically challenged and question their own beliefs ? Are we afraid our arguments are too weak to actually win a discussion or sound convincing.

Just why are Sheffield Indymedia hiding comments from underclassrising.net that makes my last comment crass and out of context?

D.Dave

Well done Sheffield IMC

14.07.2010 15:42

Agree with D.Dave's comments RE the cowardice of Leeds Afed endangering others. Well done Sheffield IMC for slinging the fuckers out.

Unicorn

we only wanted to no

14.07.2010 15:59

we only went there to ask question,s ,,why they publish our faces across the net as rasist,s and putting our familey,s in danger..and all we want to do is stand up for our belief,s for our country..pics have been published on thos page once again showing faces of people who just want to stand up for there beliefs.........and for all the comments that have not being let on era,, freedom of speach dont forget...

jeff barns

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don`t believe the hype

14.07.2010 16:37

indymedia did not sling anybody out only four indymedia turned up, ten edl were there, the meeting was taken over by the edl

yorkie

@jeff barns

14.07.2010 16:58

"we only went there to ask question,s ,,why they publish our faces across the net as rasist,s and putting our familey,s in danger..and all we want to do is stand up for our belief,s for our country..pics have been published on thos page once again showing faces of people who just want to stand up for there beliefs.........and for all the comments that have not being let on era,, freedom of speach dont forget..."


If you wanted to engage with indymedia, you don't go mob handed, with three times the number, unannounced, to disrupt a meeting.

Snowy from the EDL seemed quite articulate and intelligent. If you want to have a real discussion about how the working class in this country is being destroyed by the state, how opinion and fear is manipulated by the mass media and big money, how working class communities can organise themselves for their best interests, and how we can build solidarity with others; there are plenty of safe channels, like email, bulletin boards where trust and understanding can be built. If you just want to ruck, well we'll see you on the streets. The choice is yours.

 imc-sheffield@lists.indymedia.org

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Mob handed?

14.07.2010 17:54

Perhaps these edl blokes thought an indymedia meeting would consist of more than 4 men and a dog? They only took 10 people, hardly a mob. It seems indymedia are scared of debate, and prefer to pretend they 'ejected' people, then post cowardly pictures on the net.

lee

Fuck Nationalism

14.07.2010 22:56

"stand up for our belief,s for our country"...

Fuck nationalism!!!

Fuck the royal family.

Fuck the flag.

Fuck England.

Love the people, love the world.

Rampant Rarebit

Redwatch

14.07.2010 23:57

"why they publish our faces across the net as rasist,s and putting our familey,s in danger"

Why do antiracists attending anti-EDL protests end up on Redwatch????????

Joe

RE Redwatch

15.07.2010 14:09

Redwatch is a British website associated with members of the neo-Nazi British People's Party. It publishes photographs of, and personal information about, alleged far left and anti-fascist activists. It typically targets activists in political parties, advocacy groups, trade unions and the media. There used to be a British magazine of the same name, with similar subject matter, associated with Combat 18. The website's slogan is "Remember places, traitors' faces, they'll all pay for their crimes", a quote from neo-Nazi musician Ian Stuart Donaldson.

The information gathered by Redwatch is indexed by cities or regions. Many of the people listed are members of the Anti-Nazi League or other anti-racist or left-wing groups, such as the Socialist Party (UK), the Socialist Party (Ireland), Sinn Féin, Social Democratic and Labour Party, Alliance for Workers' Liberty, Workers' Power (UK) and Socialist Workers Party (Britain). Some Labour Party, Liberal Democrat and Conservative members are also listed. Trade unionists, in particular teachers and journalists, figure prominently in the listings. There are dozens of photographs of anarchists and single-issue protestors. All of these have no context, and much of the information is inaccurate

Just why was you taking images then?

War of Attrition

snowy ?

15.07.2010 16:02

Has anyone got a photo of this snowy fella ,was he present at the sheff meeting ?

Concerned of gipton

wellfed

15.07.2010 19:35

snowy is the guy in the baseball cap and has turned up in Leeds, Bolton and possibly birmingham
this appears to be his speciality.

snowy's travelling band

snowy

15.07.2010 22:03

likes to shoot dogs too

 http://www.wetherbynews.co.uk/spofforth-follifoot/Man-shot-dog-on-farmland.3239831.jp

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do you have proof that Snowy = John Shaw = guy in photo?

15.07.2010 23:23

this link mentions John Shaw, 36, from Knaresborough:
 http://www.wetherbynews.co.uk/spofforth-follifoot/Man-shot-dog-on-farmland.3239831.jp

this mentions John Shaw, 39, from Knaresborough:
 http://www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/8145411.Men_in_court_for_EDL_rooftop_protest/

Different age but could be a typo. It's quite a common name, too. Is there a picture of the people in the Dudley rooftop protest that would the guy in the picture?

The Hate Mail has a picture of the protest with a masked figure in a camo jacket:
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1271118/18m-West-Midlands-mega-mosque-plans-scrapped.html

anon

Leeds October 2009

16.07.2010 01:24

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02
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Same woman? seen here on the Leeds demo

Ale Ache

@Ale Ache

16.07.2010 11:54

no don't think so, the person in leeds looks less slender and has lighter hair, the woman in sheffield was far more like the woman here, the stance and height is similar:

 https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/06/453632.html#c250174

a person

Same hairdo and colour

16.07.2010 19:32

Sheffield
Sheffield

Leeds
Leeds

I reckon it's the same person.

Ale Ache

CMS F up

16.07.2010 20:00

Hairdo Leeds
Hairdo Leeds

Sorry there was a CMS f up here's the same woman at the Leeds demo

Ale Ache

A correction...

17.07.2010 01:25

The only info to go on that Leeds AF fucked up came from the EDL. Please see,
 http://libcom.org/forums/news/edl-crash-anarchist-meeting-03072010?page=3#comment-387334

one step beyond

A correction...

17.07.2010 08:47

 http://projectsheffield.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/leeds-afed-and-the-edl/

D.Dave

OOOOO scary shit

25.10.2010 22:14

I would have loved to have seen your fooking faces LMFAO keep it up its priceless lol.
and as for actions ie painting houses and cars look what the tree huggers got hehehe only a matter of time boys and girls. that is after a good kicking though.

Barnsley-Bill

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