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"Why do you choose to be a homosexual when it is illegal in your country?"

Ya Basta Media | 09.07.2010 20:35 | Migration

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It doesn't take much for the media to reveal its true colours and this week they have exemplified this in the incredibly bigoted and misinformed reaction to the fantastic decision to grant asylum to two homosexual men who face persecution in their own countries for their sexuality. The headlines are hardly surprising, its not that often that the tabloids get to combine their homophobia and racism in a single article. The Daily Star running with 'No Room For Gays' is almost unbelievable, The Sun also runs with 'Gay Illegals Can Stay' but even the BBC News 24 reporter's instant reaction was essentially; 'Well, surely now they will all just say they are gay so they can stay'.

Not only did this case point the the bigotry of the media (which it of course doesnt take a genius to uncover), it also highlights a couple of other points, the pathetic methods of the UK Border Agency (which a previous article has already outlined the potential affects of) and also the media's contradictions.

Firstly, in the Refugee Action email out after the ruling, they highlighted how the UKBA staff who assess cases such as this were focusing not on the persecution but on the sexuality, for example the following question was asked:

"Why do you choose to be a homosexual when it is illegal in your country?"

Its difficult to know where to start in trying to dissect the faults in this question. It presupposes that one chooses their sexuality, suggests that if you are homosexual you should not do it if its illegal and thereby legitimises the concept of criminalising a sexuality (but in another country). Their previous ruling that people should go back to their home countries and 'be discreet' about their sexuality continues to display an utter lack of understanding. Would they send a member of the Zimbabwean opposition party the MDC back and tell them to be discreet about their politics?

Lastly I want to point out the striking contradiction of the tabloid press which has occured simultaneously to their disgust at the granting of asylum to the to men concerned here in the campaign to prevent the stoning of Sakineh Mohammadi-Ashtiani (I have provided The Sun link here). Its very positive that people are questioning the state repression of the Islamic Republic and have decided to campaign against the stoning of a woman accused of adultery. However the contradiction lies in the fact that one of the homosexual men which apparently there is not room for is also Iranian. So, they will campaign to stop the persecution of a woman awaiting a terrible fate in Iran, but they will condemn the ruling which keeps a man from returning to a different kind of persecution in the same country. Is it that he is homosexual, or that he is an asylum seeker that they don't support him? Or is it another way to maniuplate anti-Islamic sentiment and an easy way to score points over the barbarism of the Muslim regime?

In order to understand the contradiction of the press, try this. Think about what would happen if the stories were reversed; if the court had ruled that a woman who committed adultery would not be returned to Iran because of the persecution she would face and a homosexual man was going to be stoned to death in the same country. What would be the reaction then? 'No room for adulterers?' I think not.


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a fair point

10.07.2010 10:10

>> BBC News 24 reporter's instant reaction was essentially; 'Well, surely now they will all just say they are gay so they can stay'.

Its a fair point though. If people in calais and burning off their fingerprints to try and ensure they can get in the country then you can absolutely guarantee that they will say they are gay if it helps.

THe other point i'd like to mention is the stupidness of the left's "press". People yakking on about how evil the US is and how great Iran is. How iran is so much better than all the imperialist countries. I'd remind people of Saddam Hussein and what he did in Iraq to various people. Chemicals and genocide spring to mind. If it wasn't for the west, then he would still be doing it.
We should roll into Iran and put a stop to that regime too.

steve


The shite man's burden

10.07.2010 11:27

Hi Steve

Can you give me some links to these aerticles in the 'left' press please? Otherwise I might be forced to conclude that you're a trolling warmonger.

fuqtheocracy


Unfair

10.07.2010 11:53

"'Well, surely now they will all just say they are gay so they can stay'.

Its a fair point though. If people in calais and burning off their fingerprints to try and ensure they can get in the country then you can absolutely guarantee that they will say they are gay if it helps."

By this comment you too indicate that you think homosexuality is some kind of a choice! As if it could be easily faked. As if it could not be determined yes or no at least in terms of high probability by some simple tests.

Simple question friend --- do you think you can control your body's involunatry responses? What do you think would happen if I sat you down and forced you to look at some pictures of a certain sort? Watched to see to which of those your body responded. Do you imagine that you could fake the response? (to which pictures, those of males or those of females).

MDN


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Flood gate springs to mind

10.07.2010 13:25

This will open the flood gate for many people to enter this country fraudulently. As for "gay tests" well that's utter bollocks. For instance, you could claim you were accused but really you are not gay.

This will also spoil it for them with genuine claims because I can see this country pissing all over the human rights act in the future, it's been discussed.

Closed down the channel tunnel I say, lock down our boarders.

Mills


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@mdm

10.07.2010 15:11

>>> Simple question friend --- do you think you can control your body's involunatry responses? What do you think would happen if I sat you down and forced you to look at some pictures of a certain sort? Watched to see to which of those your body responded. Do you imagine that you could fake the response? (to which pictures, those of males or those of females).

Yes i do, id look at the pictures but think about something else. Its called "acting". Something that pornstars do. A lof of "guy" pornstars are actually straight and just need the work.

Anyway, it would be a simple matter for a supposed asylum seeker who says he is gay to say that he is not turned on by the porn you are showing him or that "hes not in the mood".

And what if they are a closet gay or bisexual? It would be a bit unfair that all the gays/bis could get in even if they weren't persecuted just because they can get a stiffy looking a gay porn. Thats discriminating against straight people.

If England made it known that you could get in by saying "I'm gay and i'm persecuted", then every asylum seeker would say they are gay. Human nature - you can't blame them for trying.

steve


Straight Imorals Can Hate

10.07.2010 23:05

I was completely shocked by the headlines above (and by the sad fearful comments above). Two people fleeing persecution and granted some kind of protection in our massively wealthy country are greeted with "Gay Illegals Can Stay????!!"

For a start they have been granted permission to stay, so even in the nasty slang of the Sun they are not Illegal. Surely the only way to be an illegal immigrant is if you are not known about or are on the run?

This reduces the title to "Gays can Stay"

Bloody hell! Are we still living in the 1970's?? I thought we were over this.

As for the article, it was imbecilic, including the fact(?) that the judge said gay men deserved to be able to see Kylee, implying this was the reason for granting them asylum. I hope the judge sues the paper.

If you come from a country where being gay risks you being thrown into prison, tortured or killed, I imagine it comes with a sewage tank full of other prejudiced and ostracization. If you are that desperate that you wish your family and everyone you ever knew to hate you, and your government to now have a price on your head then that goes a bit beyond simple economic migration.

Perhaps we aught to focus instead on the economic migrants from rich first world nations such as the USA. I think we don't actually need any more money, we just need to re-learn compasion.







Me


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compassion

11.07.2010 00:01

> Perhaps we aught to focus instead on the economic migrants from rich first world nations such as the USA. I think we don't actually need any more money, we just need to re-learn compasion.

Errr.. i think you are completely missing the point actually.

It is the Iran government that has sentenced the gays and adulterers. Then a big group of "volunteers" come and bury them in the ground and stone them. Their families and friends and everyone they know abandons them.

If anyone needs to learn compassion it is the whole of Iran's population by the sounds of it.

Your route of us learning compassion doesn't really tackle the problem at the source. There is only one solution and that is to use brute force to enforce Iran and its people to stop treating each other like this. Anything else is just a temporary fix. Its not our fault they live in the 12th century of witch burning, so don't blame us for their mistakes. Blame Iran, and its people because they are the ones at fault.

irate


Choice ? Choose ?

11.07.2010 16:04

Do you get a choice ? I thought it was just the way you were ?
No one ever asked me if I wanted to Gay or Straight, I might have ended up in the wrong queue.

Kipper


Good grief

12.07.2010 10:18


Yet another article pointing out the stunning fact that right-wing tabloids are... right-wing and tabloidy.

But like so many pieces on here it makes the leap to suggest that this was representative of all the press coverage, and the author will now reveal something amazing that the British public has not heard.

This, as ever, ignores the more sensible newspapers, like The Independent and The Guardian which did cover this accurately:

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/07/gay-asylum-seekers-rights-deportation

The BBC news report I saw on this was reasonable as well.

Norvello


Divide and rule

13.07.2010 09:52


It is not exactly amazing, but certainly worthy of attention, that when struggles by women, and gays, and black people for social justice are actually successful, the ruling class finds a way to appropriate those successes in its discursive strategies - so suddenly, an attack on Sudan would be anti-racist, a defense of black 'Africans' against 'Arabs' (who also happen to be black), while an attack on Iran would be about liberating gay people and women etc.

angry indian


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