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Gunshots after president Kaczynski's plane crash!

RasFufu, Warsaw Ras Tafari Community | 15.04.2010 21:28 | World

Polish Internet explodes from gossips after one of the videos recorded directly after the crash leaked into Internet. Commentators say they recognize shots, and, at least 3 gun shots are audible. Recorded voices (in Russian) according to them proove of some action of armed people directly after the catastrophe occured.

The film that leaked to Internet shows some movement on the catastrophe spot. One person on the movie is leaving the wreckage of the aircraft. Some movement occurs behind the trees; according to one of the commentators a survivor is waving with a stick to atract attention of rescures.

3 shots are to be heard. One of the commentators explained that it well could be the ammunition of the security guards of Mr. Kaczynski that were killed on the spot, however the cameraman calls for guns, and is running away, as if he was in deep danger.

There are so many questions about the accident at Smolensk's Severny airbase. The airport itself was abandoned and obscure. It contained no instrumental landing system, apart from NDB beacon, which is a very primitive device and gives little help for pilots. Now it is clear that the pilots were aware of the catastrophe before the accident. It is unclear why the plane was so scattered after the catastrophe.

Poland is now in a difficult political situation. It turns into a mono-party state, with conservative-etatist Civil Platform (nicknamed PO-munists) taking the leading role. Due to the party financing system democracy is non-existing, and many progressive commentators argue that Polish political system turned into oligarchy.

Plane was carrying leaders of Polish etatist and socialist opposition. Two candidates for the next presidential elections were killed. According to their popularity, I would rank them as number 3. and number 4. candidates.

Because of the shortened election procedure due to president Kaczynski's death, new elections will be announced, and candidates will have only 10 days to collect 100 thousand signatures each. Most of potential candidates resigned, even candidate number 2., Mr. Olechowski, says about his uncertainty over the possibility of collecting necessary signatures of citisens.

The current elections will be the second ones organised in shortened version. This procedure poses difficulties to parties to collect necessary citizens' signatures in a very short time (like ten days or so). In last elections only 7 commitees were able to register their lists.

Links and literature:

The movie with shots recorded, in reasonably good quality is to be seen here:
 http://efakta.w.interia.pl/rosyjskiestrzaly.html

My comment on the accident and interesting comments of my readers (in Polish):
 http://rasfufu.salon24.pl/171290,strzaly-na-miejscu-katastrofy-prezydenckiego-tu-154

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Sounds like shots but not shots

15.04.2010 22:43

All sorts of bang noises sound like gun shots. If a plane has crashed then all sorts of electrical explosions/bangs/pop sounds are possible. This is like the 911 'we heard bombs' argument. Because someone thinks they hear something doesn't prove it exists.

Sick of conspiracy theorists.

Conspiracy debunker


I wondered how long it would be before the troofers got in on this...

16.04.2010 00:39

I thought it wouldn't be long before the conspiracy theorists got going on this one,,, lol.

anon


I'd expected this earlier

16.04.2010 11:31


I was expecting that the "truthers" would be all over the metro bombings in Moscow last month.

But, no, it's normally only a giant, brilliantly-planned conspiracy if it takes place in an English-speaking country.

Norvello


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Apply common sense

16.04.2010 12:08

a) Nobody ON the plane would be in any shape to be doing any shooting at that point.

b) Nobody on the ground could have been placed into position in advance. Think about it just a moment. Even if a plane is shot down going to be a question of kms where it will actually end up hitting the ground.

Mike Novack


Educate yourself

16.04.2010 12:53

I do not find this video especially clear or compelling but, as regards to the other comments here...

Please do some research, you are very welcome to remain in ignorance as to the reality of false flag terrorism but you might find it an enlightening experience to research the evidence as it stands.

Offered in Peace, with Love

A being entrusted, like yourself, with powers of rational deduction and logical analysis of information.

Tom


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Well threre's a surprise.

16.04.2010 15:25

Anyone else notice how these nerdy little conspiracy geeks only seem to care about powerful white people dying? Tens of thousands of black folk are being slaughtered in Darfur & DRC by a REAL conspiracy of apathy from the outside world. Yet our fearless campaigners for troof don't give issues like that a second glance.

But then what do you expect from people who are happy to quote and give platforms to antisemites and holocaust deniers?

Big Lizard


10 ways to crash a plane

16.04.2010 18:42

use a suicide pilot
fake NBD beacon
fake GPS signals
fly-by-wire hack
EMP
electo-magnetism
vortex cannon
sonic blast
satalite based weapons
an implosion blast to suck the plane downwards

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Shots ...

16.04.2010 20:44

... presumably the poster is suggesting that the KGB or its modern namesake went round dispatching any survivors with a bullet through the back of the head.

And, of course, when the bodies are flown home again, no one's going to notice this on the autopsy. Really not.

coroner


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WHATTTTT

17.04.2010 08:21

How dare you say that, they used "magic" bullets, had some from the same batch that did for kennedy.


Sometimes I wonder if it a good idea to let patients have televisions in thier rooms

anon


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More info

17.04.2010 14:32

Click here to see the comments hidden by the usual 'imcuk' admins:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/04/449206.html?c=all

Hello Chris!

Big Lizard


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the hidden comments

19.04.2010 23:59

why were they hidden?
i don't understand which of the editorial guidelines they were breaching.

i didn't make either of them myself, and i don't know the people who did. i'm just curious about why they've been hidden. can anyone explain?

curious


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still wondering...

20.04.2010 12:27

..why some of the comments were hidden. i don't see what the problem is with the one from 'mike novack' for example. i've read the editorial guidelines and i can't see how it breaches them. so i left a comment yesterday asking about this, i see this has now been hidden too, and none of you have bothered to answer my question

still curious


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