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Gaza protests latest - 'Police and Courts out of control'

spot on | 03.04.2010 20:05 | Palestine | Repression | Social Struggles

From BBC Newsnight 31st of March

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGGoM4zHpI

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Thanks

04.04.2010 13:23

for the heads-up on this one.

But the title , courts and police "out of control" is a misleading. After viewing the report, it is obvious that the police and courts are VERY much in control, but controlled by someone/some group with a clear agenda to oppress and terrorize anyone who dare protest against the actions of Israel.

How can this be happening?"

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upholding the law

04.04.2010 16:33

I thought that people running amok and rioting was a crime?
Therefore to be punished for this is a fair enough. I don't think anyone has been sentenced for 'protesting against Israel'. Check the charges and sentence details, you'll see I'm right.

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@ polite

04.04.2010 18:37

polite, fuck off. anybody who was there will know that the police provocated heavily during the Gaza protests in london last year. throwing a couple of placards at fully kitted up riot cops is minor compared to the indiscriminate bombing and invasion of Gaza.

check out this website for the support campaign
www.gazademosupport.org.uk

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incorrect

04.04.2010 20:04

The rioters provocated very heavily during these protests. They were on the way to the Israel embassy to destroy it and have public stated that their anger was running high.

"throwing a couple of placards at fully kitted up riot cops is minor compared to the indiscriminate bombing and invasion of Gaza."

Well, I don't know how they do things in Gaza, but this is England. We don't all run around amok causing mayhem. We have laws here. People don't run away with AK47s or whatever it is you do in Gaza. If you riot in England, you will be punished. It has always been like that and it always will.


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@pc Polite

04.04.2010 22:01


Did you watch the Newsnight footage? The people running amok and rioting were all dressed in black, masked up, unidentifiable,. and attacking people with batons and shields.

A guy was fitted up for assaulting police, then the police withheld essential evidence till the last minute. This guy could have been in clink for years after getting done over by armed thugs.

And many people were sent down by a judge who passed out 'deterrent' sentences, while they were denied the use of evidence.

Insult to injury.

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in real terms

04.04.2010 22:38

There was still many rioters who committed public order offenses - the police needed to be there. The police were there to contribute a valuable social service in the form of realtime and preventative security as well as arrest those who were breaking the law.

If the police weren't there to prevent these people from reaching the embassy, then the next line of defence would have been the Israel defence team who, make no mistake, would have opened fire. The police were protecting YOU, not the embassy.

The UK government will never let a foreign embassy to be overrun. That will never happen. They would rather call in the paratroopers and form a firing line than be on the world stage for not defending one of their ally's embassies. There deterrent sentences are just another level to the gravity of the situation that these rioters were invoking.

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@PC Polite

05.04.2010 02:27



First off they were not 'rioters' they were protesters, though no doubt you cops see protesters as rioters. That's how you're trained

If the police wish to contribute a valuable public service then they should behave as upholders of the law, not masked up tooled up thugs. Since this demo and the G20 lots of ordinary members of the public now see the police for what they are, unidentifiable, unaccountable tooled up thugs who know they can get away with assault and murder.

Yes the government would never let the Israeli embassy be 'overrun', though what you appear to be saying is 'don't complain about being beaten, fitted up and have evidence proving your innocence withheld by the police, because otherwise you could be shot'.
Correct me if I'm wrong

'There deterrent sentences are just another level to the gravity of the situation that these rioters were invoking.'

This is not a sentence and makes no sense. Please say what you mean.

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@moderators.

05.04.2010 13:11

I am unhappy that the moderators have chosen to hide the debate between Polite and myself. Polite seems to be a cop, and we did not get into slagging each other off.

The only way for someone like Polite to change or at least see another point of view is through debate, and one of the few ways cops and protesters can debate is through this site.

I would like to hear moderators views on this, and why comments were deleted.

thanks

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spot-on

05.04.2010 20:52

I would agree with Spot-on's comments and would register my protest that his/her comments have been hidden.

Although I don't agree with him/her, I will fully support their right to have a voice. Censorship is a tool of the state. As spartacus said: "Have we slaves now become the Romans?"

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who on earth ...

06.04.2010 15:48

... is the complete and total dickhead that thought hiding the majority of comments here is a 'progressive' thing to do?

Are they called Stalin or somit?

I think we should be told ...

anti-thought police

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Agreed

06.04.2010 16:45

I don't agree with spot-on on all points, but that is trivial compared stamping out someones voice.
But i guess, as with any commercial website, the owners can do as they please. So can't complain - as long as people notice these things.

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