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Manchester Class Struggle Forum, meeting on elections

knightrose | 17.02.2010 22:43

The Manchester Class Struggle Forum are holding their first meeting on Wednesday 24th February.

The first meeting will be on the Elections. The venue is the Friends Meeting House, Mount Street, Central Manchester starting at 7pm.

Recommended reading is:

the Subversion pamphlet, Labouring in Vain  http://www.af-north.org/Subversion/labouring_in_vain.htm

Lenin's the Ultra Left - an infantile disorder

Herman Gorter's Reply to Lenin  http://www.kurasje.org/arksys/archset.htm



The objectives of the forum are:
The Manchester Class Struggle Forum is an open coming together of workers, students and unemployed persons from different backgrounds and class struggle political tendencies in the North West - Manchester, Lancashire and Cheshire. It is a meeting place open to all who wish to discuss and debate political questions from radical perspectives in a friendly atmosphere.

The first goal of the Manchester Discussion Forum is the political clarification of its participants. The discussions of the group thus seek to analyse current struggles of the working class, draw out and reappropriate the historical lessons of the revolutionary workers’ movement and to develop a revolutionary perspective to address the challenges facing the working class and humanity as a whole, against exploitation, oppression and the horrors of capitalism.

Our second goal is to ensure that we are able to respond quickly to important events in the class struggle. We want to be able to offer solidarity to fellow workers, students and unemployed as the need arises.

As a point of clarity, when we say workers we mean all those who depend on their wage labour to survive and do not live off the exploitation of others. This includes those working in the home and those currently not engaged in wage labour. We oppose all efforts to divide working people by race, gender, age or sexual orientation.

knightrose
- e-mail: manchester@af-north.org
- Homepage: http://libcom.org/blog/who-we-are-26012010

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wow

18.02.2010 01:04

down to earth stuff there mate... I literally have no idea what most of that means. Maybe make it a bit simpler eh? Im perfectly capable of seeing whats going on around me, and thought I might be interested in this, but Im clearly not capable of keeping up with how you talk... sorry and best of luck.

wurka


Working

18.02.2010 13:14

Will you be discussing the Fujitsu dispute?

Class
- Homepage: http://www.ourunion.org.uk/fujitsu/collectionsheet09.pdf


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Clarity

18.02.2010 21:26

'As a point of clarity, when we say workers we mean all those who depend on their wage labour to survive and do not live off the exploitation of others. This includes those working in the home and those currently not engaged in wage labour.'

Not very clear at all.

Wayne Rooney lives off his wages and doesn't exploit anyone. Noboby has to buy what he produces. On the other hand someone at the BBC Manchester on a normal wage who helps makes non-esential rubbish like Question of Sport could be said to be exploiting the workers because the workers have no choice whether to pay him his wages without risking a criminal record. Lots of public employees who expect the majority of waged workers to pay for their great pensions could be said to be exploitative of the rest of us.


Just who is and isn't wlecome at this meeting? Further clarifiation needed. Better still make attendance by invitation only after vetting all applications to make sure they are ideologically sound.

Pete


Question

23.02.2010 11:12

The link to that website is not clear, which exactly is the reply by Gorter to Lenin?

Lurka


Response

05.04.2010 16:06

Wurka - The Class Struggle forum is a coming together of pro-revolutionaries, who hope to discuss political perspectives. We do try and keep things down to earth.

- We did not discuss the Fujitsu dispute as it was not really related to the subject matter.

Lurka, see Gorter's reply here -  http://marxists.org/archive/gorter/1920/open-letter/ch03.htm

Mark
mail e-mail: marco_polo10@hotmail.com


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