EDL are racist thugs
Anjem Griffin | 02.02.2010 01:17 | Anti-racism | Birmingham
The English Defence League (EDL) claim to be against extreme Islam yet on their website is a link to a news story of an Asian man being convicted of rape. What has this got to do with extreme Islam? Which other groups highlight black/asian crime? The BNP and the NF.
Now that Anjem Choudray is not on Sky News every other day, the EDL appear to have nothing to put on their website. This report shows their true colours. Their behavior in Stoke On Trent a week ago was disgusting. They attacked and injured police officers, they committed criminal damage, vandalised vehicles and a mosque, chanted racial abuse and even fought with each other. 17 EDL supporters were arrested. Demos can get out of hand. Minorities can turn up and cause trouble but noticeable is the absence of any apology to the people of Stoke on the websites of either the EDL or Casuals United. No regrets are expressed over the police injuries or violence to property or the mosque. Their silence suggests this disorder is what they sought.
Here is a video showing the behaviour of the EDL.
http://current.com/items/91992126_english-defence-league-riot-in-stoke.htm
Here is a video showing the behaviour of the EDL.
http://current.com/items/91992126_english-defence-league-riot-in-stoke.htm
Anjem Griffin
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Mebership and leadership
02.02.2010 06:26
Skank Anti-fascist
good post
02.02.2010 08:48
anarchist
People protesting against extremist Islam are racists??????
02.02.2010 11:31
You people say that the EDL have no right to protest against Islamic terrorism while defending the rights of extremist muslims to march through our streets chanting death threats to those who critise Islam ie Salman Rushdie and the writers of the Danish cartoons.
You are too scared of political correctness to stand up against Islamic extremism yourself and so turn a blind eye to Islamic terrorism and preachers of hate who want a Jihad on our streets to turn our country into an Islamic state.
Disgusted at the politically correct attitude
Response
02.02.2010 12:46
As for the article, do we really need to denounce injured police? I understand its tempting to criticise the EDL anyway possible but surely our main concern should be their politics and underlying racism, not whether they like to have a drink and resist the police, which to be honest, i suspect lots of us do too.
I'd also avoid the misnomer "violence to property", my understanding is that some Asian-owned shops were targeted and these should be condemned as racist attacks.
Owain
@ Disgusted at the politically correct attitude
02.02.2010 18:53
" many black and asian members " That's exaggerating, let's face it. We KNOW a sizable proportion of the members are racist (Nazi salutes, burning anti-Nazi flag, many members are or have been affiliated to BNP, NF, C18, etc.). This absolutely does not make all the members or supporters racist, far from it, I'm sure you're not racist yourself, and hopefully find racism as disgusting as I do. So no, in answer to your question, it does not make "anybody protesting" racist.
" including moderate muslims?" I think that's dishonest. Given that we have ascertained that some EDlers racist and anti-Islam in all its variants, I hardly think the EDL is a particularly welcoming group for a concerned Muslim, worried about the rise of extremism.
"You people say that the EDL have no right to protest against Islamic terrorism while defending the rights of extremist muslims to march through our streets chanting death threats to those who critise Islam ie Salman Rushdie and the writers of the Danish cartoons." That's flatly false. Most anarchists (and this is primarily an anarchist news site) and radicals would not be comfortable with the idea of the State imposing a ban, and certainly wouldn't lobby politicans to ban it -- you're getting us confused with the UAF/SWP crowd. Instead, we see fascism (and EDL certainly shows elements of it) as something that should be confronted on the streets, by local people showing that bigotry is not welcome. Personally, I thought the Danish cartoons were quite funny, and was deeply concerned by the response they created among some sectors of the Islamic world. Anarchists tend to see traditional fascism (BNP, EDL to some extent, Combat 18, National Front, etc.) and extremist Islam (and Christianity - if you think it can't be equally damaging I urge you to read about Blackwater, and its crazed murdering Christian crusader of a leader) as two sides of the same authoritarian bullshit that needs dismantling, and they too need combating. The capitalist State is another front of authoritarianism and hierarchy, so it too must be opposed.
"You are too scared of political correctness to stand up against Islamic extremism yourself" No. Fuck Islamic extremism. It's sick. Like racism. Or homophobia, sexism or capitalism's treatment of the wroking classes and our environment. I agree that the Old Left (SWP, UAF etc.) are apologists for that kind of extremism, and do not confront it. Anarchists are more consistent, and open in our hatred of Islamic extemism, and even tend to see all Islam (like other religions) as destructive to the human spirit - although there's nothing wrong with the individual Muslims.
"and so turn a blind eye to Islamic terrorism and preachers of hate who want a Jihad on our streets to turn our country into an Islamic state. " I share your concern. Although, let's be honest, there hardly about to do that are they? It seems to me that it is you who turns a blind eye to the similarities between Islamic fascism and British nationalism.
I imagine you're basically a pretty good disillusioned working class guy (and let's face it, you probably are a guy, judging by EDL's protests, or promotional videos). Can I recommend you read the Anarchist Federation's excellent pamphlet, Against Nationalism ( http://www.afed.org.uk/publications/pamphlets-booklets/126-against-nationalism.html), for an excellent argument about the destructiveness of nationalism, and how it hurts the working class and the whole of society.
An Anarchist Response
@ Anarchist Response
02.02.2010 20:58
All religous extremeism is damaging, as you say fuck Islamic fundamentalism, and fuck Christian Fundamentalism and Nationalism. They do no-one any favours, espcially the working class, with their divisive attitudes. I have no problem opposing Islamic fundamentalism along with nationalism, racism, homophobia, fascism, nazism and working class repression. They're all just different sides of the same coin. The EDL line that anti-fascists would support Islamic fundamentalism due to political correctness is a tired and innacurrate statement trotted out by the BNP et al for many years, and its bollocks.
I don't doubt that there are members of the EDL only concened with Islamic Fundamentalism among the known nazis, BNP, racists and fascists. However they are only a small% of the openly racist members opposed to all Islam and no doubt the Asian community as a whole. If this% are genuinly interested in halting Islamic fundamentalism then they really should look at the bigger picture, there are dangerous fundamentalists in all religions and the anarchist writing you pointed out states that well.
I HAte The Fash
Disgusted with lying EDL trolls
04.02.2010 18:21
1. No genuine Anti-Fascist ever said it's racist to oppose Islamic extremism - stop lying
2. Asian feminist groups like Southall Black Sisters and Women Against Fundamentalism actively opposed Islamic extremism since decades before the EDL was even formed
3. The reason people accuse the EDL of being racist is not because the EDL oppose bullshit like Sharia Law, but because EDL was co-founded by known racists, because innocent Asians were physically attacked during the very 1st EDL protest, and for instance because EDL supporters repeatedly called the police "fucking Paki lovers" in Stoke. OK so maybe not all EDL supporters are racist, but then not all the ordinary Germans who voted Hitler into power were ideologically convinced National Socialists either - they were still responsible for their own actions and still responsible for helping create the Nazi regime
As for the EDL having "many" black and asian members... they don't. The fact that a tiny handful of black and Asian people might be stupid enough to support the EDL proves nothing - Hitler had Jewish ancestry
No we don't "say that the EDL have no right to protest against Islamic terrorism" - stop lying
No we don't "defending the rights of extremist muslims" - stop lying
No we don't "turn a blind eye to Islamic terrorism" - in fact I personally got into Anti-Fascism through campaigning against a local branch of the Muslim extremist group Hizb-ut Tahrir
UK Fightback
Edinburgh United + Dudley United + Bolton United
04.02.2010 18:32
The last thing we need is ideological fantasists and opportunists trying to wreck the public image of Anti-Fascist protest
UK Fightback
Great response!
05.02.2010 14:09
Thanks UK fightback