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Porton Down military lab blew up 18 pigs

Amy Willis and other sources | 26.01.2010 05:28 | Animal Liberation | Anti-militarism | Bio-technology

Frankenstein would be Bonapartes
had eighteen pigs blown apart

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk



Live pigs are being blown up as part of a series of government terrorism experiments at Porton Down, the government's secret military research laboratory.

By Amy Willis
Published: 1:43PM GMT 24 Jan 2010

(Porton Down propaganda removed)
Eighteen pigs wrapped in protective Kevlar blankets were blasted .

The animals were placed less than three yards from an explosive. Before being blown up, tubes were inserted into their blood vessels and bladders, and their spleens were removed.

Scientists wanted to find out how long the animals survived when more than a third of their blood had drained from their bodies.

Medics hope the experiments will help British soldiers in Afghanistan as well as casualties of terror attacks like the July 2005 bombing of the London Underground and a double-decker bus.

Norman Baker, the Liberal Democrat MP for Lewes, questioned the use of live animals in military experiments.

Talking to the Sunday Times he said: “These are revolting and unnecessary experiments. Sadly, we are too familiar with the effects of terrorism. It is perfectly possible to find out things we don’t know without blowing up pigs to find out.”

The facility at Porton Down, in Wiltshire, was originally set up during the first world war to research chemical warfare.

No pigs survived the experiments

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At the Univ of Innsbruck in Austria pigs were buried
alive in snow and their body responses monitored
as they froze to death. While the Austrian university
claims it was done for avalanche research, there is
speculation that Afghan soldiering was a motive.

At the Univ of Wisconsin, pigs have been tasered.
They have also been tasered at Barnes Air Force Base
in Texas.

They are burned in research in the Netherlands
and Australia.

The Australian project is in the hands of Dr Nicholas Vardaxis, senior lecturer in pathology at the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT). His fellow sadist is Dr Thomas Brans, of the Dutch Burns Foundation.
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These MOD experiments are used to test weapons not to save lives

26.01.2010 09:02

Experiments such as these are not carried out for the sole purpose of saving soldiers but to test weapons on animals.

Any MOD facility that tests on animals [and humans too i.e. MK ULTRA] will be testing weapons including bombs, bio weapons, chemical weapons, sonic weapons and guns.

These experiments are appalling.

To help stop the Camden Bio Hazard facility being built oppose by contacting Camden Council at Camden Town Hall, Judd Street, Camden, London, WC1.

Stop Camden Bio Hazard and Animal Lab [Mandy Ford]
mail e-mail: stopcamdenanimallab@yahoo.co.uk
- Homepage: http://www.myspace.com/stopcamdenanimallab

perspective

26.01.2010 10:31

Outside of the UK (where animal rights are much more strictly adhered to) The military used pigs to train trauma surgeons in complicated surgery under difficult conditions such as combat or minimal equipment.

Fact (although you wont like it) is that soldiers getting to these surgeons have an average 80% better chance of survival than those who dont. These doctors can and do go into the NHS etc but maintain their military standing (Territorial army).

My brother is rather happy about this, you can guess why.

In a noteable rail crash in London town, the paramedics were giving up on certain "lost causes" but having the decision revoked by two such trained people, who managed to conduct minor surgery by the track.

You may not like the method, and who does but the challenge is for us to provide a viable alternative.

#now sits back and waits for the hate and politics to arrive#

anon

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There is an alternative...

26.01.2010 13:38

I call out for all ALF/ELF/PITA activists disgusted by these experiments to volunteer to be used instead of those pigs. Have some courage and save poor animals!

Israel

Simple solution

26.01.2010 14:26

Looks like we'll have to do another QuinetQ then doesn't it...

ALF

pah - lease

26.01.2010 18:22

@ anon: both the train industry, and the army and warfare, are both products/symptoms of the global capitalist order. dont look for sorrowful hearts here..........certainly not with me, anyway.
cheers.

ALF forever.

fran

reply to "Perspective" commenter

26.01.2010 19:54

The safest way medically to treat soldiers is to get them out
of illegal war zones today....

Pig Rights
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Yeah right fran

26.01.2010 22:55

Smash the trains!

Get Real

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Get Real Ya Self!!

27.01.2010 12:22

@ Get Real: who said anything about smashing trains? anon was saying that people who are in train crashes can get healed by techniques that were devised from lessons learnt by blowing up sentient beings, careful, loving creatures, like pigs, for example, and the train industry is a part of the global order, so of course the trains are there because capitalism is here, everywhere, all the time, every moment of our enslaved lives.
i was simply pointing out that the poster, 'anon', was not likely to get people giving a shit about a couple of commuters who may have died. if it meant saving those pigs, then they, the humans, should have died. it wasn't the pigs that put the trains there.
let the experiments be carried out on elitist, capitalist and corporate "big boys" at the top, if you want to test stuff - test it on the elite, as it is they that benefits more than anyone or anything else.

Humans do not have the right, in anyway whatsoever, to enslave other beings, human or non-human, and its as simple as that. in comparison to a couple of soldiers dying, in a war i never supported, and never will, the deaths of millions upon millions of non-human animals every year, around the world, in experiments or tests, often to create profit for some company, is worse than any human holocaust or disaster that there's ever been. (in terms of numbers dead, and complete control and enslavement by human hands)
So who cares about the trains crashing and soldiers getting blown up?

not i, thats for sure.

fran

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I think you will find Fran that.....

27.01.2010 15:45

you sound like a teenage, middle class, confused, ignorant thicko and judging from your posts (that seem to be everywhere these day) you are, or are you a Agent provocateur because your so fucking ridiculous that seems to make the only sense.

FRAN IS A TROLL AND AGENT PROVOCATEUR AND A FUCKING LUNATIC NOW PISS OFF FRAN!!

fran the ban

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hmmm @ fran the ban

27.01.2010 16:10

why did you bother to comment?

especially with daft stuff like: teenage, middle class, confused, ignorant thicko

erm....nope. not even nearly right, mate. im a poor person, always have been, and probably always will be. im a parent. im not in my teens. and guess what, my real name's not fran.........im not a troll, although i have admitted to commenting on pro-anarchy subjects as i myself thought that IM was being overrun by anti-socialists, EDL and BNP etc. believe me, if you knew me, which of course you dont, then you would know which side i am on.
and you seem to read the same stuff as me, noting that you noted my "movements" on IM, so which "side" are you on...or is that Henry again?

i think you should not bother coming on here anymore because i think my EDL/Anti-Socialist hunting and propaganda campaign has finally caught one of you out??

all i have done is support animal rights and liberation for us all....where is the harm in that mate?
care to defend your outburst against me?
with argument and reasoning?
or will: teenage, middle class, confused, ignorant thicko
be all you can offer?

pathetic.

now ask yourself, has everything i just wrote sounded like the work of "teenage, middle class, confused, ignorant thicko"?

fran

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Remove Fran from Indymedia

27.01.2010 16:30

I have had my suspicions for some time now as I have been following Frans posts and I can state that Fran is definitely a state Troll. Please remove Fran from Indymedia and to the sewer where it belongs as there is an injustice being done to the AR movement with the complete crap that is posted....

steve biscombe

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following me?

28.01.2010 10:30

gosh, i didn't think i could get followed on IM too. its bad enough in "real" life.

all i said was :"both the train industry, and the army and warfare, are both products/symptoms of the global capitalist order. dont look for sorrowful hearts here..........certainly not with me, anyway.
cheers. "

why is that so bad?
because the moderates and fluffies out there cant handle it when a real revolutionary comes in to the debates?
you lot, those that "follow me" on here (scary in itself?!!), or hate me for some reason, need to chill. im on the right side, believe me.
and yet, none of you can tell me what ive said or done that is so against the AR movement, a movement i support with open heart and arms.

so what the heck are you idiots on about? i think you're just pissed off because finally a person on here is saying it how it is, and you dont like it when the "fighting talk" starts, as it disrupts your view of the "left wing" as being controllable and arguable.....well not, me. you take me or leave me, i dont give a fuck.

ALF FOREVER!!

fran

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Is "Fran" the same as Fran Moment?

28.01.2010 18:11

Are you one and the same...? Hmmmm

anon

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