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dichotomies of violence vs non violence at Copenhagen

Open Revolt | 08.01.2010 12:39 | COP15 Climate Summit 2009 | Climate Chaos

We need to change our tactics if we are to fight climate change- violence is a very loaded word and can mean different things to different people

During Copenhagen dichotomies of violence and non violence appeared, particularly for the reclaim power march although on other demos as well. The issues with this are as follows;

What do you define violence as?

Taking a definition of violence from an online dictionary[i] – Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing. If we take this in the context of the reclaim power demo there were intentions to get into the building and in doing so it would have been necessary to damage fences, Does that make the protest violent or cause the protest to have violent intentions?

The Collins English dictionary definition of violence is as follows; 1. the exercise or an instance of physical force, usually effecting or intended to effect injuries, destruction, etc. While most people take this in its direct meaning for example for someone who calls themselves a pacifist i.e. one who does not physically attack any members of authority or damage property may eat meat or dairy products. The production of meat and dairy could be argued is pretty violent as it causes a lot of suffering to animals throughout the world and ultimately is for their destruction it also contributes to the destruction of the environment in numerous different ways.

How is this relevant to the demo being non violent?

* Were there people eating meat or dairy products on the demonstration or who in their everyday lives ate meat and dairy products?
* Was there anyone wearing leather?
* Did anyone on the demo drive to Copenhagen or drive in their everyday lives- after all the extraction of oil causes the deaths of millions and will cause the deaths of even more

Logically if the demo organisers had wanted to make a point and make the reclaim power march non violent they could have advertised in advance that they wanted only people who were vegan and only took public transport/rode a bike when they were at home to attend the demo. This was clearly not the case and the list of things that could be considered violent but weren’t prohibited on the reclaim power march is not meant to be an exhaustive list by any means. The narrow definition of violence and the desire to avoid it both in Copenhagen and in large parts of the activist community is concerning and perhaps is due to a desire to seem like “good activists” to the state and avoid being called “bad activists” and thus the state not listening to their pleading. While I do not wish to discuss this topic in depth if we look at Derrick Jensen’s writing this mentality is somewhat similar to that of victims of domestic violence[ii]. If we are going to stop our bodies minds and environment being abused by capitalism and the state we need a shift in mentality and fight back.

Having a look at the definition of violence employed on the march it would appear that it is attacking police officers and nothing else which I have heard when a few people did this they were strongly criticised and told to leave the demonstration as they were adopting black bloc tactics. The fact that this happened when protestors were trying to get into the Bella centre and disrupt proceedings almost feels like a form of keeping the state happy to try and get into the Bella centre so that when people did face police lines the police would be sympathetic and let them through. Obviously if you are known as the organiser of a violent demo and you encourage violence then you run the risk of facing state repression and nor am I saying that anyone should feel pressured into taking actions that may be considered violent. Instead of overruling consensus and an elite group of organisers making the decision beforehand as happened on reclaim power it should be left to the people who go on a demo to choose for themselves what to do. If we are to be able to successfully gain entrance to things like the Bella centre etc on our demos then we need to at the very least protect ourselves against batons tear gas etc. The police are doing a job the job which is to protect the state and capitalism, they are well trained to ignore pleading with demonstrators to their humanity- I have tried it and it doesn’t work. While it is true that some disruptions took place within the Bella centre they were relatively contained people talk about this being the movement from Seattle growing up but instead it was a failure. The police were able to contain most of the demonstrations and the summit continued with few problems.

The example given of the reclaim power march was not to criticise the organisers of the demo specifically but what it was is an example of the pointless dichotomies of violence and non violence in the climate movement. If we are to stop the problem of climate change then we cannot hope that pressurising the state and hoping for reform can deliver. Capitalism relies on constant growth which is not ecological- the only other thing that does this in nature is cancer. In the recession when the state prioritized the needs of capitalism over that of the people this is not an isolated example but rather a blatant example of that. Due to its very nature green capitalism is a misnomer and instead we need to get either an anarchist society or something very close to that. Obviously capitalism will not fall by itself but will try every means possible to survive including exploiting our weaknesses and splitting the movement. If we are to have a liveable planet in 500 or so years that our descendents can enjoy then we need to ditch the pointless dichotomies of violence and non violence which and accept what is called by some as violence as a diversity of tactics.
[i]  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/violence

[ii] Derrick Jensen Endgame part 1

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Missed the point

08.01.2010 13:47

The reclaim power demo on the weds clearly said it would ''overcome any physical barriers that stand in our way" - so obv that includes fences. The point was to avoid escalation with the police/deliberate (and therefore direct) harm to human beings (specifically, rather than wearing leather shoes, traveling by car etc). CJA (co-organisers of the Reclaim Power action with CJN) is a diverse network, which as far as i understand it accepts a diversity of tactics. The point of the action was not to 'get into the Bella Centre and disrupt proceedings' but to enter the 'UN Area' and create a space to hold a people's assembly, which would include delegates from the inside coming out and joining us. I think its fair to say that both CJA/CJN consciously were NOT trying to create a good/bad protester dichotomy! The codex for the Reclaim power action was worked out in a year of open CJA meetings, that included a wide range of participants, not a small group or 'elite'.

You view COP15 as a 'failure' because the cops had the upper hand on many of the demos (and of course thousands of us were arrested), but fail to look at the connections made and the making/bulstering of a movement for climate justice. In any case i fail to see how removing the action consensus on the Weds (or any other day) would have given us the upper hand over the cops?

There is a Climate Justice Action website, maybe you should take a look?

cop15er


Correct!

08.01.2010 15:44

The addition from cop15er is spot on.
I'm afraid the main post is well wide of the mark and shows no understanding of what has unfolded over the last 12 months.

another cop15er


''overcome any physical barriers that stand in our way

08.01.2010 17:03

if a line of riot police was not a physical barrier in your way what the fuq were they. a figment of your non-imagination.
to be honest, and i looked through the media quite extensively, this whole cop15 experience comes over as a bunch of over hysterical kids demanding they sit at the big table. not that you´ve anything to say other than its all gone pear-shaped. are you scared!!!

no body in particular


Hysterical Kids

08.01.2010 18:57

I'm not going to comment any more on the Reclaim Power action. I think it was reasonably clear from the statements about the action on the CJA website, the comments made by CJA speakers at events, in the media etc and at CJA meetings and at the nightly spokes councils for the action, what was meant by the action consensus. Also let's remember that several CJA spokes are facing possible charges surrounding this action.

I'm all for critique and critical engagement, but what passes for it on sites like indymedia is consistently awful. The optimistic part of me hopes that this is because it is frequented by cops, corporate agents and people with mental health problems, rather than this is what passes for 'discussion' in our movement/s.

Link to video of joint CJA / CJN press conference before the Reclaim Power action. 'Hysterical kids'? You decide:

 http://www6.cop15.meta-fusion.com/kongresse/cop15/templ/create_sse.php?id_ko_ngressmain=1&theme=cop15&id_kongresssession=2563

cop15er


Not NECESSARILY (needs discussion)

08.01.2010 19:34

"Taking a definition of violence from an online dictionary[i] – Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing. If we take this in the context of the reclaim power demo there were intentions to get into the building and in doing so it would have been necessary to damage fences, Does that make the protest violent or cause the protest to have violent intentions?"

INTENTIONS --- that is the key here. Is it necessarily the case that the INTENTIONS of those doing whatever matter? Or do other humans get some say in the matter.

Say you want to break into a building with the INTENTION of smashing up the furnishings. But there are people inside. Don't THEY also get some say as to the nature of what is going on, have some choice in the matter. What if not only our laws but our societal mores are that THEY get to decide based on "reasonable person" doctirne what it's all about. In other words, it is reasonable for them to decide that somebody breaking into an occupied building will attack them (if nothing else, as they forcibly restrain the "invaders" from smashing the furnishings).

I would say that "violence against property" (not persons) is possible ONLY if there are no other persons present who have a right of choice to resist. Otherewise it may not be just the intentions of those breaking in that matter in defining the act. All well and good for you (for us) to declare no property is worth a human life. Others get their say in the matter and could perfectly well decide that their property is worth more (to them) than the lives of any number of invaders and so that's what its all about -- they can CHOOSE that escalation of the "rules of engagement".

And no, then it WASN'T them who started violence (against persons). Correctly carrying out certain sorts of actions requires care not to allow somebody else control of the "choices".

MDN


How do you measure sucess?

09.01.2010 12:47

I posted this coment on the blog this post came from, thought I should post it her as well:

Hi Thanks for your contribution we need the maximum amount of debate around this as it is quite a complicated discussion. However you will be aware by now that your article has a couple of major factual inaccuracies relating to the reclaim power action.

1. The aim of the action was not to get inside the Bella centre to disrupt it but to enter the 'UN Area' and create a space to hold a people's assembly. At the same time delegates from inside the conference would come out and join us. They might well disrupt the meeting in their leaving but this was not the main aim of the action.

2. The action consensus for the Reclaim Power action was not decided upon by 'an elite group of organisers'. In fact the action was worked out and agreed upon through a series of open, well publicised and well attended international meetings held throughout the year beforehand. These meetings had up to 100 individuals from up to 21 countries attending. In turn some of these individuals were there as delegates from movements or organisations they belonged to and would take these decisions back to their own countries for their organisations to discuss and agree on. This was the process undertaken in UK by the Climate camp. You might still argue that this was an elite as personal circumstances meant that not everyone was in a position to attend these meetings but there was every effort to make the process as open and inclusive as possible.

All the above has been rigorously documented with the minutes of the meetings archived here:  http://www.climate-justice-action.org/resources/documents/

I think it would be very useful and very much to your credit if you could acknowledge these two factual inaccuracies or mistaken impressions because they alter the terms of the debate.

It is fine and healthy to have political and tactical disagreements but we should avoid having disagreements over things that can be shown not to be true.

This doesn’t completely invalidate your argument but I think it should complicate it. The discussion over violence/non-violence is not new and has not stood still. There have been many attempts to think about this tactically and strategically with huge efforts made to avoid static moralism. One of the aims of the Reclaim Power action was to introduce open antagonism into the Cop15 and prevent its use to legitimise the current political set up. The British environment minister David Miliband had specifically called for a Make Poverty History style pseudo-movements like we saw in the Gleneagles G8. The careful inside/outside strategy of the CJA made that impossible and the common ground upon which climate change movements will have to operate has been pulled significantly towards politics I think we’d share. The potential for future movements have been greatly enhanced.

The best actions are ones that demonstrate their argument and politics in their form. The Reclaim Power action aimed to show there was internal and external antagonism to the bad agreement on the table and that the agreement was based on and would reinforce the crude power and wealth inequalities existing in the world. It set up a trap for the Danish authorities, if they action went ahead successfully then argument would have been displayed. If they cracked down then the argument put forward by the demonstrators would have been confirmed even more. As it was the draconian policing, arresting spokespeople, banning NGO’s and beating delegates coming out from the inside was almost like a perfect storm for us. It contributed significantly to the sense of the talks collapsing and indeed emboldened some of the smaller countries to reject what was on the table.

Winning can be a very complex thing and as we found out at the G20 in London this year, sometimes you can win when, at the time, it can feel like losing. One of the most important things for an action is that the people on it feel empowered. This might not have happened at the Reclaim Power action, although for some it will have. But that can’t be our only measure of success.

As I said above, the potential for future movements have been greatly enhanced. It is this that is the greatest indicator of success.

Nessuno


Nessuno clarifies things

09.01.2010 16:37

Thanks to Nessuno for taking the time to clarify things on UK Indymedia, many of us can only keep up with what's happening on the scene through this channel and it's great to have the facts of the issue. Also, great write up of the Cop 15 demos-it's good to hear how we had the authorities in a pincer movement. Next thing is to get this message out to the braoder public...Nice one!
Matt

Matt