War and Debt did this

i think there were droughts / floods / famine way before white man played with the evil oil.

once again some environmentalists drag out personal guilt to force behaviour change.

I didnt cause that, the large global system which we call capital did. Most of us dont have the money, or the credit these days, to afford three holidays or a new tv every year. By blaming the whole of the global north, rather than the political and financial institutions focused upon capital accumulation you're confusing cause and effect.

these starving kids wont be fed through us reducing our emission cuts but through mass systemic change.

this nonsense environmentalism so many of you are peddling needs to stop.

see you on the streets!

Apparently you are unable to recognize a fellow "leftist".

We can of course be committed to BOTH environmentalism and social justice. But let's keep clear in our minds which is which. "Environmental justice", trying to make sure that the burdens and costs are shared fairly by all is a SOCIAL JUSTICE issue. It becomes an ENVIRONMENTAL issue only to the extent that social injustices can lead to wars, etc. which are destructive to the environment.

To make this clear -- stopping emmissions (greatly reducing them) is environmental. Reparations, or even fairly sharing the cut back in emmissions is social justice. As far as Nature is concerned (impact on the environment) doesn't matter if the way we cut back is grossly unfair or not. Those of us who are concerned with both the environment and social justice have to take into account how our solutions for one of these affects the other, restricts our solution set.

Clearly this is an Over Population Issue we have here, to much strain on natural resources and this sort of thing happens i.e not enough to go around. Rational is rationing, Productivity must be measured, accounted and optimised, at all levels and carbon trading is a bloody good way of doing it. Rich nations sitting on a food waste mountain why people in the third world are needlessly starving. Sensible dispersal of population to an adequate, sustainable landmass, more compact cities = more rational = less is more.

It's not the myths of climate change, desertification, droughts that caused this. People have lived in Africa for many thousands of years perfectly happily before colonial Europe invaded and destroyed the economic, agricultural, and pastoral systems of the inhabitants which had worked for centuries.

The major problems in Africa are caused by interfering NGO's, climate activists, scientists, and governments who refuse to work with the locals and instead the seek to enforce their own plans upon the populace.

I recommend people read The Lie of the Land: Challenging Received Wisdom on the African Environment, by Robin Mearns and Melissa Leach. Which basically destroys many of the racist myths that white Europeans and Americans hold about Africa.

thats racist