Confront the EDL in Swansea on sat 17th

South Wales Anarchist | 13.10.2009 11:46

Anti-Edl demo times and location now comfirmed

The Edl are meeting in swansea now comfirmed.
Saturday 17th at 3pm in castle street.
Anti edl demo is now moved forward to 1pm to stop fascist scum gathering . No doubt a large police presence will be out to protect them,
l am not sure how much stop and search has been carried out at previous demos or what sections of law used, also be aware of evidence gatherers if seen photograph, get numbers you know the score.

BNP, EDL. WDL different words same message race hatred

SWA

South Wales Anarchist
Homepage: http://southwalesanarchists.org/

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Standing up to Islamic extremism is not racial hatred!

13.10.2009 12:20

Why is it considered racial hatred to stand up to Islamic extremism? The English Defence League and the Welsh Defence League have made it clear that they are nothing to do with racism or the BNP and are only interested in combating Islamic extremism and Islamic hate preachers like Abu Hamaza. They have nothing against ordinary muslims!

Serious thinker.

Dear Serious Thinker

13.10.2009 12:48

I suggest you go look at the Vid of the EDL marches in Brum and Manchester then 'seriously think'..... after you have thought till your brain hurts ask yourself these questions:

"Do the EDL crowd look like a representative sample of the UK population"?

Why are members of your 'non racist' march using Nazi salutes?

Sam

The EDL clearly state they are not racist or against ordinary muslims!

13.10.2009 13:08

If you read the English Defence Laegue website you will see that they clearly state that they are not racist or have anything against ordinary muslims.

QUOTE: "Your description of the English Defence League as a “far right” and “Fascist” group is dishonest and Orwellian to say the least. Fascism is a political theory opposed to liberal democracy and is a close ideological relation of radical Islam.
The EDL exists precisely because extremist Muslim groups are being allowed to tour the UK unchallenged, corrupting the minds of young and impressionable people, undermining community cohesion and causing gratuitous offence to non Muslims."

Source: [link to organisation promoting racism removed by moderator]

serious thinker.

Combatting Islamic Extremism and acting like far-right thugs

13.10.2009 13:20

How does the opening commentator on this post think that going around shouting "In-ger-land, In-ger-land, In-ger-land" and "dirty Muslim bastards" is going to combat Islamic Extremism? Are the fundamentalists going to hear these words of wisdom and admit that they've been wrong to persecute and patronise those that don't believe in an almighty God who wants you to eat, dress and think in a specific way or are these actions more likely to make ordinary muslims think , well if this is the opposition to extremism then i'd rather join the other set of nutcases!

In move Birmingham and Manchester the actions of the EDL have conflicted with the official line of the group, they claim to be simply against Islamic extremists and yet we've heard racist and nationalist chants in Birmingham and lads talking of hating "paki's" in Manchester.

As for the claims that the EDL don't have anything to do with the BNP i think these can be dismissed when you consider that BNP activist Chris Renton registered the EDL's first website in his name and known members such as Davvy Cooling and David Gardner are also involved. When you put these mugs together with a load of right wing football hooligans the result is never going to be a pretty one, let alone offer any reasonable solutions to the average person in the street.

If anybody wants to get an idea of where the EDL are coming from and the role they play in far-right street confrontation it would be worth looking at the BNP's Lee Barnes' blog, he talked of the NF playing a similar role in support of the BNP and while the EDL isn't doing exactly what Barnes' argued for you can see how there is similarities.

http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/06/transition-point-for-nationalism.html

The EDL keep playing the tough man, appearing in balaclavas and throwing poses on our streets but as Birmingham showed when push comes to shove they don't have a lot to offer if you've got numbers on your side. They are mostly just an unfortunate spectacle at the moment, an anachronism resembling the old days of the BNP and NF in the 1980's. Like those groups who were kicked off the street lets hope the same happens to the EDL.

Bruisedshins

We're all grown-ups here

13.10.2009 13:58

If serious dickhead posted a link to a fash website as evidence of the EDL's position then that only confirms what we already know about them. Stop censoring posts FFS, especially ones where fash make themselves look stupid. Leave us to make up our own minds.

Why edit posts?

How can the EDL be racist when it welcomes black and asian people to its events?

13.10.2009 14:01

How can the English Defence League be racist when it welcomes black and asian people to its events? Look at the EDLs banners, they say black and white unite. They have also clearly stated many, many times that they are not racist and that people from racist groups are not welcome at their events. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkKmzNpUBM4

Serious thinker.

Ok lets see you do some thinking then!!!

13.10.2009 14:47

Mr serious thinker
England is not a religion
Muslim is not a country
You are racist

@rchie

@ serious thinker

13.10.2009 14:47

We all know what the EDL say on their public website mate but this isn't the reality thats been seen in Birmingham and Manchester.

If members of racist groups aren't allowed in the EDL then how are prominent BNP members playing an influential role?
If the group doesn't wish to cause racial or religious conflict then why do they shout slogans like "you can shove your fucking allah up your arse" and "dirty muslim bastards"?

More to the point how on earth do you think you are confronting Islamic extremism when all you're doing is bowling around city centres pulling poses and acting like hooligans? How about promoting atheism, class solidarity and a sense of community? All you're doing at the moment is creating opposition to yourselves!

bruisedshins

Oh and get a job!!!

13.10.2009 15:02

On another note, it’s amazing how right wing knuckle draggers are very often the first to respond to articles on indymedia even when they go up in the middle of the day. Don’t they have better things to do than read left and anarchist websites, don’t these people have jobs? Perhaps reading these sites is their job?

Perhaps we should all publish rude things about the EDL on Sundays, because presumably their all at church seeing as how they seem so concerned about religion an all.

Good luck to the anti-fascists of South Wales in seeing these so called patriots off!!!

Sod it I can’t wait until Sunday to insult the inbreeds,

St George was Libyan!

@rchie

EDL extremism

13.10.2009 15:51

The difference between EDL extremism and religious extremism is about the same as the thickness of a cigarette paper.

Smokey Joe

Would that be the same video that the EDL show their support for the BNP?

13.10.2009 16:48

Of course it would be.

You say: "The EDL clearly state they are not racist or against ordinary muslims!"

There are three simply and obvious replies to these false statement:

1. The BNP are racist scum. The EDL is supported and led by large numbers of BNP members and voters. If the EDL were really anti-racist, they would not allow support for fascism and ironically have to dissolve to apply these changes.

2. Singing "you dirty [ordinary] mulsim bastards" in unison...speaks for itself here.

3. Some of the most intelligent fascists such as Hitler lied consistently to become popular.

So much for having "nothing to do with racism or the BNP" - what a joke!

"How can the EDL be racist when it welcomes black and asian people to its events?"

As somebody pointed out on another thread, stupidity is not confined to one race. It has been heard and seen before; ignorant people of colour showing support for the BNP. Just because some people don't realise a group is racist (towards them), it doesn't make that group anti-racist. It's infact racist to imply 'because this race [...] it's true'.

As for "They have also clearly stated many, many times that they are not racist and that people from racist groups are not welcome at their events."

What a cracking statement! Here you have a logical flaw. Your leader is a BNP voter so therefore he would have to leave, or you are trying to claim the BNP are not racist. Given that he has not left after outing himself, then you are acting as a front for the racist BNP.

It's not rocket science!

PS - Good luck to South Wales Anarchists.

seriously thinking

Dear Serious Thinker

13.10.2009 16:57

Wht not answer my questions instead of pointing me towards a website...... are you incapable of thinking for yourself?

Answer the questions, when you have a break from thinking!

Sam

@ 'serious thinker'

13.10.2009 17:29

It's hardly a major, daily issue is it? Are you affected by islamic extremism? Or is poverty, racism and injustice all around you, all the time and therefore worthy of your passions? I also expect you throw yourself into opposing white racist extremism, like that nutter with explosives jailed recently, or those racist shits convicted of child-porn. No? Didn't think so...

anon

On Saturday "deep thinker"

13.10.2009 18:00

I happened to converse with a couple of EDL supporters. One was draped in a Union Jack and was asking a mate of mine to join them (no chance there chummy) I made the mistake o asking what the EDL "policies" were. Now apparently they are going to sort out AlQueda and get rid of Islam because the Koran says it is OK to marry and rape young children. I pointed out that the Bible and Torah also have really nasty bits in with Leviticus excusing all sorts of frothing at the mouth nonsense, our young EDL bloke was having none of it. I looked at their website, listened to Churchill....at some length and watched some masked up men, no women, set fire to a Nazi flag. I think that is far MORE worrying than anything, Hitler soon learnt that he had to hide his true intentions to get into power and Muslims are such an easy scapegoat.

For the record I depise all mysogyny, homophobia and religious fundamentalism but I really think that it is terribly naive to think that the EDL is offering any solutions whatsoever to some of the problems faced by some women and gay people within Muslim communities (and indeed Sikh, Hindu,Christian, Jewish, Atheist, Romany, and so forth communities). Anyone who tries to force me into a burqa would end up maimed but I do not think that it is likely, certainly not if we all start to communicate with one another and accept diversity. There are people of all creeds, religions, classes and sexual orientation who do really nasty scummy things, I oppose the nasty scummy things for example dog fighting or the Magdalen laundries (Catholic church enslaving "fallen" women until the 90s) rather than any other aspect. Loads of Christians and Muslims do really great stuff to help others and are good activists, some are bigots. At the end of the day we are all individuals.

There were Muslim, socialist, anarchist anti fascist women present on the demo on Saturday, many women police officers but I saw only one EDL woman. The EDL are very dangerous and must be challenged.

Lynn Sawyer

EDL - the 21st Century Pogromists?

13.10.2009 22:00

http://barrykade.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/edl-the-21st-century-pogromists/

Barry Kade
Homepage: http://barrykade.wordpress.com/

The EDL BNP Front

14.10.2009 01:44

The BNP created the EDL to make money out of football hooligans.

See that nice EDL Polo shirt? Finances racism. See that nice logo? BNP created it. If the EDL turn up in Swansea and start chanting "Stick the fucking BNP up yer arse" then people might start thinking they are not racist thugs being manipulated by the likes of Barnes and Ignoble.

Maybe the EDL would like to explain why it sells so much on eBay.

MRS KATIE WHITMORE
WILSON SOLICITORS LLP
STEYNINGS HOUSE
SUMMERLOCK APPROACH
SALISBURY
SP2 7RJ

Might wish to explain how a racist organisations donations are handled. Purely out of interest.

The Trustees of the Charity:

GENERAL SIR FRANCIS RICHARD DANNATT KCB CBE MC
MR ALEXANDER JOHN SCOTT-BARRETT
MR HADYN ST PIERRE PARRY
MR RICHARD HENRY RONALD BENYON
MR RICHARD ASHLEY MEYRICKE CONSTANT
MR STEPHEN CRAIG KENNETH OXLEY
MR JOHN MAURICE PONSONBY

Might also wish to explain how they justify accepting donations raised through creating systematic public order problems. Mr Scott-Barrett might want to explain how accepting money from the EDL is compatible with his other charitable trusteeships.

As a "non racist" organisation - perhaps the EDL would care to demonstrate against a convicted racist - purely as a sign of goodwill. But then, if the EDL turned up at Blackpool to chant at Nick Griffin he might recognise too many of them for it to be funny.

Maybe the EDL would like to explain why so many of their Polo Shirt buyers also buy Nazi Memorabilia - or is that just a coincidence too?

Not buying the nonracist line

Sales History of English Defence League

14.10.2009 02:22

ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE HOODIE (EDL) *BURKA FACE MASK* History: 19 sold @ £30 £ 570
ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE NO SURRENDER POLO SHIRT (EDL) History: 142 sold @ £20 £2840
ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE LONG SLEEVE POLO SHIRT (EDL) History: 9 sold @ £22 £ 198
ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE BASEBALL CAP (EDL) History: 29 sold @ £10 £ 290
ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE NO SURRENDER HOODIE (EDL) History: 13 sold @ £25 £ 325
SCOTTISH DEFENCE LEAGUE NO SURRENDER POLO SHIRT (SDL) History: 4 sold @ £20 £ 80
WELSH DEFENCE LEAGUE NO SURRENDER POLO SHIRT (SDL) History: 2 sold @ £20 £ 40
ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE GLOVES (EDL) History: 5 Sold @ £8 £ 40
ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE BEANIE HAT (EDL) History: 5 Sold @ £10 £ 50
ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE WOOLY HAT (EDL) History: 6 sold @ £10 £ 60
10 x ENGLAND NO SURRENDER TO AL-QAEDA POLO SHIRTS (EDL) History: 2 sold @ 160 £ 320
Total £4813

Most of the sales are definitely lolworthy. Why would Germans want to order EDL Polo Shirts? Why would people whose only other purchase is a copy of Identity want to buy EDL goods? Why do Americans want to buy such stuff?

Truth is EDL is looking more and more like a classic BNP scam. More Muppets than serious thinkers. Cannon fodder in the race war that the BNP elite would like to foment.

Wonder if the taxman knows about the sales though?

Happy eBayer

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we are all in danger from Islamic extremism remember 9/11 and 7/7?

14.10.2009 14:32

We are right to demonstrate against Islamic extremism given that there have been many actual and planned terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists around the world. Remember the 9/11 attacks, remember the 7/7 bombings in London, remember the bombings in Madrid and Bali. And don't give me that shit that they were all inside jobs your conspiracy theories have been thoroughly debunked through and through!

The English Defence League will not be intimidated by a bunch of far left thugs who are so obbsessed with political correctness that they dare not speak out against extremist Islam for fear of offending a few muslims.

Serious thinker

Muslim English League Defence supporter

14.10.2009 15:42

I am a muslim i am British born but i feel they have a good point because thease minority of muslims who support terrorist are giving us a bad and making it difficult for intergration to take part. I oppose to sharia law one one reason my family came to the uk in the 80s

Richard Ahmed
mail e-mail: sid-the-cat@hotmail.co.uk

Hey Richard

14.10.2009 18:51

For f**ks sake don't let the EDL lead the way against the totalitarianism of religious fundamentalism. YOU as a Muslim would be so much more powerful and effective to, with others of like mind, to speak out against opression in the name of Islam.Steal their thunder. I don't think for an instant that anyone on Indymedia would be in favour of Sharia law being part of the huge corrupt mess that is our legal system, I for one would like far less laws (I am sure many want NO laws). I am of the belief that any suppression or abuse of anyone is wrong regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, and yes species and will get into a scrap with those who for example want to kill gay men, or torment a cat. Other than that I really think that it is up to the individual what s/he does whether it be covering self from head to toe or walking around naked I care not. What is the problem is the demonisation of an entire culture and religion and that is quite simply a very dangerous slippery slope leading to polarisation and alienation on both sides.

Lynn sawyer

@ Lynn

14.10.2009 21:40

Lynn, how about Richard (if he exists as a real person and not someone pretending to be a genuine poster) speaking out against Islamic extremists as an individual or part of the community, sod the whole religious slant altogether. We don't need to have Muslims standing against Choudary because Choudary makes Muslims look bad when people see Choudary as some sort of spokeperson for all Muslims anymore than we need a "white, british, christians against the EDL". Lets forget all these artifical dividing lines and stand up to cunts of all shades together!

bruisedshins

Any research please!

15.10.2009 10:10

I'm trying to put together some research on the EDL to start campaigning against possible weak links in their infrastructure. Would appreciate any info on eg the following:

ISP and web hosting
Leadership and their connections, directorships etc
Links with BNP and other organisations
Funding
Finance, banking
Recruitment

Please send any info to

shutdownedl@googlemail.com

Ta

Could the person who posted the "EDL and BNP Front" comment please explain the information they posted in more detail as it's not clear exactly what it's about.

antifascist
mail e-mail: shutdownedl@googlemail.com

The EDL is a shopping scam

15.10.2009 15:52

try looking at

www.buzz4stores.com where the EDL sell flags. You must use paypal. They persuade you that they will be donating to a "charity" "Soldiers off the Street". (21A Chester Street, Wrexham, LL13 8BG. Company Limited by Guarantee No. 07018818). Which is not a registered Charity. This is standard BNP operating procedure: create a scam and then milk it to other scams. People quickly get wise to the front scam but less often to the back scam.

You can also donate to the EDL on their website. They are a "non profit" organisation. In UK law this means nothing unless it is backed up by appropriate Charities Commission or Companies House registration. But they do have a standard way that would enable any unscrupulous person to commit "card not present" frauds or "paypal frauds".

On the whole some people might say the entire thing looks like an internet scam being run by the BNP to raise money at the same time as promoting violence. Perhaps they are falling under the influence of hucksters and American Right Wing Christians. Paul Ray and the Reverend Robert West have been mentioned in this connection.

As One Eye said: "The proper enemy to any political movement isn’t necessarily the most evil and the worst. The proper enemy is the one we can most easily defeat." The EDL lets them defeat the enemy in their midst: the old unreformed street fighting nazis who just want a ruck. The BNP needs to keep its "Enemy Within" busy - there is a lot at stake for the BNP. One hint that they are actually behind the EDL and then serious questions open up.

Why is the BNP "selling" the EDL?

Happy eBayer

@ bruised shins

15.10.2009 21:42

Agree with you

Lynn Sawyer

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