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Why is unemployment ignored by the Left?

Unemployed with No Benefits | 20.09.2009 23:45 | Globalisation | Social Struggles | Workers' Movements | World

The Left are caught up in an endless series of navel gazing activities that ignore fundamental struggles. The relationship between people and economics is one of the struggles that has ceased to be of any great interest to campaigners and political activists. The reason is plain and simple: Thatcher Won the Class War.

The "credit crunch" is a phrase that protects the Banks from excessive criticism. If that phrase were to have been siezed upon by the Left as a lie and exposed, systematically by presenting the alternative phrase, "profit crunch" then the situation would be different. As it happens, the Left failed to speak clearly. Anarchists might pop up at this moment and proclaim they "told you so". Thus releasing an endless series of diatribe and invective. Much more likely, the entire report would sink into some kind of censored oblivion. There are some phrases, some words, that the "Left" ignore with a compulsion worthy of obsession. Unemployment is one of those words.

There are a broad range of issues that the "Left" seek to campaign on behalf of. Animal Rights, Anticapitalism, Antimilitarism and Antifascism are all proffered as being legitimate objects of interest. There is not criticism of anybody seeking to further any of these causes. These are simply offered as examples. They are offered as examples for a very simple reason: it is quite possible for someone to endlessly campaign on one of these issues knowing full well that it does not impact their immediate, practical existence and that it never need to.

Animal Rights campaigners can point to their ethical treatment of animals as the impact on their daily lives and antifascists can point to the misery and even death caused by fascism. This is not the genuine impact on peoples lives that is being referred to. For each of these causes there are those who simply, vicariously, latch on and defend a cause with such vigour and energy that any critique is overwhelmed and excluded. There is an intellectual component to these campaigns that lend to that kind of behaviour. It is easy to present and win arguments about how to treat animals or the idiocy of fascism.

In these respects, the "Left" fails a particular and important constituency: the Unemployed. Like it or not, unemployment is more important than Animal Rights in some situations. Like it or not, addressing unemployment is anticapitalist and antifascist and more important than organising a good kicking for some anti social criminal street warriors. Put bluntly: unemployment is the class war weapon of choice and always has been. The weapon of unemployment is being wielded with consumate technique - prod the "Left" to expend all its energy on subsidiary campaigns and leave them exhausted for the economic blow of being managed into unemployment.

The truth is that Unemployment and Low Pay have created an economy with such massive inequalities that people are suffering practical problems such as actually having no money whatsoever to live on. Any Anarchist suggesting that stealing necessities from a Supermarket is perfectly acceptable might also wish to volunteer to serve the almost inevitable prison sentence. Unemployment, unlike the other issues, is incredibly, relentlessly practical.

The Left, for all the very laudable campaigning it does pursue, ignores a very simple fact: more than ninety percent of the country relies on work for survival. In that huge number of people is a huge spectrum of opinion. There are little old ladies who respect policemen too much to steal their breakfast. There are mentally ill, badly medicated schizophrenics who do not appreciate they are starving to death because their voices are protecting them from the worst. There are graduates and educationally subnormal. The range of different people who depend on work and are suceptible to unemployment is too vast to make simple arguments such as "animals should be treated as persons, anything else is speciest" or "government has an intrinsic force of coercion" or "militarising a society breeds fascism". Unemployment is individualised.

Not only is Unemployment individualised but, increasingly, it is being used as a form of slavery and imprisonment. Employers using training schemes to obtain free labour on a frictional basis - think supermarkets needing stackers in the weeks before christmas. This provides no income but does boost productivity. Anarchists can make broad and ideologically sound recommendations - but the truth is that the practicalities of refusing to be on such Unemployed Training Schemes is not as simple as refusal. The move of the Private Sector into the Welfare delivery sector has increasingly made it possible for the welfare models of Bevan - or even Callaghan, Wilson, Heath and Thatcher - to be thrown out. Increasingly, the entire experience of Unemployment is an exercise in managing slavery and criminalising the Unemployed.

This is a form of criminalising that affects every single person on the Left. Because it normalises the presence of a "Criminal Subclass" in the Community and "mandates" that the Unemployed should therefore be "managed" by a increased (and militarised) policing presence. The "Military Reduction Programs" around the world at the end of the Cold War involved a net transfer of Military Personnel into the Police. Which might well have a bearing on such practices as Kettling and the death of Ian Tomlinson or Charles de Menezes.

These are not meant to be sensational claims. These are claims made by direct observation of the Benefits System. Both from aquaintance with the "service centre approach" and being a former claimant. A former claimant because, in response to the unreasonable behaviour of my local office I quit. I simply quit unemployment and walked out.

Which results in me being viewed with suspicion because I must obviously have some alternative source of income. Which I do not. I simply have the same savings that were excluded from means testing when I made my claim some months ago. But being a graduate and tea total, I really do not see the purpose of going onto an anti-drugs, literacy and self esteem course. The most adverse pressure on my self esteem being the constant criminalisation of me for circumstances way beyond my personal control.

Which comes back to the Left failing to make any impact on the lie of the "credit crunch". Which, my understanding, is due to the navel gazing of lifestyle leftists - so individualised and domesticated in their protest that they concentrate, to the exclusion of all others, on a single issue. All these issues are linked - no mistake about that. But the truth is, non of the separate cliques wants to acknowledge their issue is anything other than the most important.

Unemployed with No Benefits

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having a moan?

21.09.2009 00:07

why? do something or yourself instead of moaning no one is helping your cause and tbh unemployment is a good thing. maybe mass unemployment will drive the normal working person out of their apathetic little life and into a life of striving for social change. having a job and working are shit i've been unemployed for years doing all sorts of campaigning and its never been a big deal. get some beifits! the goverment subsidise the industries we fight so why should they do the same for us! indy is not a place or you to vent some steam its for news.

WTF?


Some good points

21.09.2009 00:11

Was interesting and some refreshing criticism, will coment some more tomorrow.

A reader


A clarification

21.09.2009 00:38

@ WTF I was unemployed and claiming benefits. I was "offered" something I refused to do. So I walked out. Hence, no more benefits and legally I am not unemployed. I am not navel gazing or venting some kind of ideological steam. You miss an important point: unemployment affects people of all "ideologies" - there are many people who want to be employed.

@IMC I am not particularly jaded. I just recognise a powder keg when I see one.

Unemployed with No Benefits


What is your proposal?

21.09.2009 00:51

Recently there has been involvement of the left with the Vestas struggle, so it isn't true that unemployment is ignored, it just isn't something that is frequently reported on Indymedia.

What this analysis doesn't offer is any idea of a way forward - do you have any ideas on this, or do you just think the 'left' should produce a magical response?

Personally I have never understood this desire to have a boss or to be part of an economy that rapes the planet.

non wage slave


Not everyone ignores it

21.09.2009 09:45

Your argument is true in general, but it is worth bearing in mind that some people (not enough, but a good start) do organise around unemployment. See Edinburgh Coalition Against Poverty ( http://www.edinburghagainstpoverty.org.uk/node/20), Ipswich Unemployed Action ( http://intensiveactivity.wordpress.com/), or Cambridge Unemployed Workers Union ( http://cambridgeanarchists.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/call-out-for-unemployed-workers-union/) for examples. I'd love to get something similar going in my area. It's also worth bearing in mind that the way unemployment works makes it a lot harder to organise people - at a workplace, people spend lots of time together and actually know each other. At the jobcentre, no-one knows anyone.

Dolescum


No class consciousness

21.09.2009 11:14

Why does "the left" not give a monkey's about unemployment? Because "the left", in a class sense, only exists as a sad rump of what it was. I'm old enough to remember the mass unemployment of the 80s, and that was *the* big issue in those days to which everything was linked. There were major demos and marches against unemployment which were massively supported by the working class. Then the miner's strike was defeated with the inglorious help of the Notts fifth columnists, humbling the 'official' labour movement which hunkered down into the little legal space allowed it by the Thatcher regime, whimpering as the Right beat on it with bigger and tougher sticks. Extra-parliamentary activists continued to fight, to their massive credit, and still do to some degree, but the battle was lost.

The current lack of any form of class consciousness, and the resultant near-extinction of class politics, stems from this defeat and capitulation. Had the 'official' labour movement declared class war on Thatcher, who had surely declared class war on it, and stuff the law, we'd not be in the sorry position we are now. So instead of mass working class movements and class struggle, we have single-issue 'lifestyle' campaigns and identity politics which are difficult to class as "left", and often are just plain reactionary. In the view of many greens, for example, we're all 'guilty' of environmental exploitation and unemployment is just righteous payback. Many greenies are explicitly anti-working class, celebrating the closure of factories and mines and industries which put millions on the dole. Animal rightists regard meat and/or dairy-eating people (the vast majority of the working class) as complicit in murder and oppression, thus as guilty as fuck and deserving of zero sympathy or solidarity. And so on. The "left" now seems to consist of a hodgepodge of mismatched and contradictory campaigns, whose only common ground is the complete denial of class as the central issue in capitalism. To them, there's no such thing as the working class, just a collection of individuals and groups differing only in their degree of guilt for environmental degradation and animal exploitation.

There are, of course, still some proper socialists and anti-capitalists out there who keep the flame burning on the streets, and all kudos to them - they deserve massive respect for working so hard in such a hostile environment. Their day will come again, as class can never cease to be the central issue of capitalism, but this may not be for a decade or more until the working class recovers some degree of class consciousness and politicisation. The heyday of the anti-cap movement was brutally curtailed by 9/11, from which it's still reeling. In the meantime, "the left" doesn't give a toss about unemployment because "the left" (or what currently passes for it) wouldn't know class if it bit it on its collective bum.

The values of equality, solidarity and fraternity were widespread in the 70s and 80s, and they'll return eventually I'm sure. Just not quite yet... :(

Gerry
mail e-mail: gerry.gerbil@gmail.com


Reactionary contempt for the working class

21.09.2009 11:33

Thanks to the OP for her/his post, which as well as being pretty pertinent has also drawn some reactionary greenies out of the woodwork for us all to see.

@wtf:
"maybe mass unemployment will drive the normal working person out of their apathetic little life and into a life of striving for social change"
It would take pages to refute the sheer idiocy of that comment, but it does illustrate your contempt for the working class (sorry, "working persons", as you plainly have no concept of class). Just one simple point: unemployment and wage slavery are two aspects of the same thing - class exploitation. The two are inherently linked, and both unemployed and working folk experience the same class struggle. You can be politicised by wage slavery as easily, maybe easier, than by being unemployed, as when you're on the dole you not only have to deal with class struggle but the weight of State bureaucracy grinding you down.

@not a wage slave:
"Personally I have never understood this desire to have a boss or to be part of an economy that rapes the planet. "
You plainly understand nothing at all about the reality of working class life. Workers don't want bosses - ffs, we want to get rid of the bosses and owners, and that's where class struggle comes from. In reality, we have to work, either legally or extra-legally, because you can't live on no money in a capitalist economy. Your accusation of complicity with "an economy that rapes the planet" exposes the sheer elitist contempt that you hold for ordinary grunts, and with attitudes like those you'll never be able to work with the only people who can change society and save the planet. Yep, the very same working class you despise so much are the only folk who, through mass action, will effect radical social change. Not a bunch of middle-class students living in tents in fields with dogs on ropes eating lentils and brown rice, but ordinary meat-eating, politically-unsound wage slaves.

Gerry
mail e-mail: gerry.gerbil@gmail.com


For the benefit of Wage and Unwage Slaves

21.09.2009 13:03

"Recently there has been involvement of the left with the Vestas struggle, so it isn't true that unemployment is ignored, it just isn't something that is frequently reported on Indymedia."

Unemployment is not a central issue in the vast majority of campaigns. The NUS campaigns on Student Debt. it does not link that campaign to Graduate Unemployment or Low Pay. Climate Camp protest effectively about the impact of industrial human activity but offer no large scale alternatives - and so on.

"What this analysis doesn't offer is any idea of a way forward - do you have any ideas on this, or do you just think the 'left' should produce a magical response?"

So, why should I be offering any idea of a way forward? Nobody else does. The supposition that the 'left' should provide a 'magical response' is not in my analysis because the 'left' can not offer a 'magical response'. The truth is as Gerry points out in his post, that Class Politics are systemically excluded.

"Personally I have never understood this desire to have a boss or to be part of an economy that rapes the planet."

I have no boss. I have no desire to participate in a planetary raping economy. I do have this huge social cudgel beating me into compliance. As do millions of others. Yes, I have read Ivan Illych's "Right to Useful Unemployment" and van Parijs on guaranteed income schemes. The practical issue: neither of these ideas are practiced by my servants. Government as they are known.

The truth is that the fractured lifestyle left causes are in need of a unifying analysis. If it does not come from the left then it will come from the right. As it has been for decades. I pointed out to IMC (whose 'Jaded' comment subsequently disappeared) that I know a powder keg when I see one. I too remember the Miners Strike and the capitulation of the Left and Centre to dogmatic Right and Far Right Libertarianism.

I offer no 'way forward' because I have no obligation to. Either the lifestyle left puts up a substantial and explanatory analysis that underpins a viable praxis or the right will do so. Animal Rights, Climate Campaigners, Antifascists - and the rest of the long list - present no analysis that cuts across issues. They do not pretend to. I have the same obligations as they do. The first comment you make is to imply that I should provides solutions: the same solutions that no other lifestyle leftist provides?


There has been a net capital transfer of £43,000 per person in the UK from individuals to banks. Given that fifty percent of the population earn less than the £22,000 a year average (most substantially less) that is a remarkable amount of debt. Had some of the lifestyle left been around in the 1980's when the Sandanista were fashionable, they might have heard the warnings that Third World Debt would be transferred to the First World Working Class if Third World Nations defaulted on their loans. That analysis provided no "way forward" - it was also articulated by Marxists. It really did not need to provide a way forward as it assumed that Class Struggle would overcome this. The Banking Industry took heed. The effectiveness of the protection of banks from the Profit Crunch is possibly a result of actually taking notice of the Left. The Right has always been more practical than the Left.

In the new year, balancing the budget will eclipse every single single issue group. The new year will bring an Election. Already the mainstream media and politicians are presenting dire warnings about Youtube being unregulated and the Internet not having proper electoral regulation.

On the Friday after that election, there will be huge change. Quite simply, all the lifestyle issues fall off the agenda. The biggest single issue will be balancing the budget. It is getting attention now and that will grow for the next six months or so. It will be about structuralising the £43,000 a head debt. Even the Unemployed will need to be part of that process.

I offer no solutions but I recognise a powder keg: the right will enforce solutions just after the election.

Unemployed with no Benefits


Your own problem - no-one elses

21.09.2009 13:51

"I offer no 'way forward' because I have no obligation to."

So is it a lecture, or a whinge you're offering? Or both?

The fact that there isn't enough coverage of the unemployment issue on Indymedia to suit your tastes is your fault as much as anybody elses.

You want other people to get up and solve your problems - put a x in the box next year - its worked a treat up until now.

non wage slave


Missing the point is like missing the train

21.09.2009 15:12

"Your own problem - no-one elses"

Actually, no it is the problem of about three million.

""I offer no 'way forward' because I have no obligation to."

So is it a lecture, or a whinge you're offering? Or both? "

Neither lecture nor whinge. These are simply some observations. Lifestyle leftism, uniquely among progressive philosophies, does not oblige me - in a philosophical sense - to do anything other than observe. All Theoria and no Praxis. Nor, if your comments are to be true, am I offering anything. I have no commitment to, say, Animal Rights. So, I can respect animal rights activists but offer nothing of substance. That is the nature of lifestyle leftism.


"The fact that there isn't enough coverage of the unemployment issue on Indymedia to suit your tastes is your fault as much as anybody elses."

The fact is Indymedia does not recognise Unemployment as any kind of substantive issue. Consider the "topic of your posting" checkboxes:


Analysis
Animal Liberation
Anti-militarism
Anti-racism
Bio-technology
Climate Chaos
Culture
Ecology
Education
Energy Crisis
Free Spaces
Gender
Globalisation
Health
History
Indymedia
Iraq
Migration
Ocean Defence
Other Press
Palestine
Repression
Social Struggles
Technology
Terror War
Workers' Movements
Zapatista

Do any of those, specifically, refer to Unemployment. Yes, Unemployment is part of both Workers Movements and Social Struggles. Unemployment might even be Technology or Globalisation. But there is a single word that says what it is: Unemployment. Going on from that "classification", you can also tick a box if your posting is related to a specific action:
(optional, choose only if your post linked to occasion)

COP15 Climate Summit 2009
Campaign against Carmel-Agrexco
G20 London Summit
Guantánamo
Indymedia Server Seizure
Oaxaca Uprising
SHAC
SOCPA
Smash EDO
Stop Sequani Animal Testing
University Occupations for Gaza

None of these specifically mention Unemployment. Laudable though any of these single actions might be they fail to focus any attention on Unemployment. Without a focus people are unlikely to post. Simple as that. This is not a matter of taste, more a matter of practical matters. Those running the Indymedia Servers are perfectly reasonable in prioritising their own interests in the absence of such focus. But, in common with the zeitgeist, that restricts their focus to, essentially, a lifestyle choice of issues.


"You want other people to get up and solve your problems - put a x in the box next year - its worked a treat up until now.

non wage slave"

I got up and solved my own problems: the problems immediately impacting my life. The solution to my personal problems are not at issue. You suggest I have a fetish for box ticking. Far from it. Consider the Topic and Action boxes for Indymedia: ticking those boxes actually solves a problem of organising information wher people can find it. I find that posts about unemployment are difficult to find on Indymedia. Some disappear and others simply submerge into an archive. It is not simply a matter of a personal moan. It is the same complaint that feminists had in the 1970's: that women were invisible.

The post never was about my personal life but about a political situation of global importance. I offer no solutions because the obvious solution is to dump lifestyle politics and concentrate on a sustained and damaging class struggle. Anybody can see that. The obvious solution might not be the correct one: as every lifestyle clique will tell every other lifestyle clique.

If you lived in the 1980's you have a clue as to what happens next. If not, find some old bastard - maybe someone with emphysema from mining coal, although that might be difficult since the Left abandoned miners to their fate. The idea that any of the original post was about personal politics is seriously mistaken. The idea that Unemployment could be used as a political tool to remove all other issues from the agenda is not. If you happen to like your lifestyle gestures then, fine, carry on.


Unemployed with No Benefits


Class v individuals

21.09.2009 16:37

@Unemployed with No Benefits:
There's a gulf of incomprehension between yourself and folk like "not a wage slave". The latter thinks that you're having an individual "whinge" because s/he is only capable of thinking in terms of individuals, possibly because her/his politics derive from liberalism. It's plain to me, and I'm sure other socialists, that you're writing about class, and about the importance of unemployment as an issue that affects the working class as a whole. There's a massive gulf of world view here, of conceptions of society under capitalism and the nature of people, which is simply unbridgeable. Sadly, much of Indymedia is populated by liberal individualists of this type, so the lack of categories for "unemployment" or even "class struggle" is not a surprise.

Thanks, though, for posting, as at least you've brought this big issue out in the open. You're bang on about lifestyle and single-issue politics, and their ultimate sterility and inability to radically change society. Which is not to say that single issues can't make practical changes in the here and now, but those will always be small changes within the existing system, not structural changes in society. Single-issue and lifestyle politics has always been with us, and at least in the 70s and 80s was usefully harnessed alongside class struggle, the single issues (such as animal rights or anti-nukes) filling in the niches left by the labour movement's over-concentration on 'big issues'. These days, though, there's no labour movement to speak of, which is why single-issue and lifestyle politics look to be the only games in town, and they've nothing to moderate their increasingly extreme moralism and posturing.

Oh, and you have my solidarity as a dolee, fwiw - I've done plenty of time on the bru in the past, particularly during the 80s, and it was no picnic even then. Now life is far, far tougher for doleboys and girls.

Gerry
mail e-mail: gerry.gerbil@gmail.com


What a load of tripe

21.09.2009 16:59

The issue of "unemployment" that you're highlighting is only a facet of the problem of existing in an all-encompassing economy that is not of our own making. Most activists I know simply find a way to "get by" that involves as little traditional wage slavery as possible - freeing up time for real work. This might mean working for yourself, claiming benefits, working a couple of days a week or a mixture of the three.

As far as I'm aware the broader "left" harps on about unemployment and low wages all the bloody time. But personally I think anyone campaigning for employment has more in common with the right wing. They both want the working classes incarcerated, literally or figuratively.

Your words about "Animal Rights" are a pathetic attempt to stress the importance of your hobby horse. How is trying to prevent the suffering of beings who had no choice about their suffering less important than... unemployment? As a long time unemployment benefits recipient I just think this is a joke. The dole is an easy life and animal testing equals gruesome deaths. Idiot.

Heaven knows I'm miserable now


get some get up and go

21.09.2009 19:23

ok, i used to be on the dole but now I earn a lot of money.
I didn't get it by whinging or hanging around with anarchists. It was a clear choice and wasn't particularly difficult to do.

If you hang around with other people who do nothing but whing and "fight" so that the state will pay what they are entitled to you are going to remain in a rut of poverty. The best way of not being poor is to earn money, not expect the system to tumble blah blah

Stop hanging around with loser anarchists!

Max


Why do you hang around here trolling if you're not a loser, Max?

21.09.2009 22:28

@Max: So you prostitute yourself out for "a lot of money" yet you spend your evenings hanging around Indymedia making pithy comments? I think I see who the "loser" is here! ;-) Why aren't you out quaffing champagne and snorting coke in posh wine bars!?

It's not a case of whining that the state won't give you money, it's a case of scamming as much money out of them as possible. I'd much rather hard-working activists get the money for doing something useful instead of it going on bombs and the military and fatcat bureaucrat salaries.

Capitalism requires that there is a reservoir of unemployed. Otherwise it would be a employees' market, wages would rise, and employers would be whining about too high salary costs.

antiMax


the state

21.09.2009 23:42

thought this was obvious, but seems I need to spell it out...
My comments werent for you - i'm writing for the person who is concerned about unemployment

What happens when all the bad things are sorted out and there is no need for anyone to scam again? What you going to do then? There won't be any justifcation to scam anymore, so you'll have to call it what it is - leeching out of other people's pockets.

The "state" you complain so bitterly about is the thing that gives you money for food/cigarettes/alcohol/skytv. If the state didn't exist, you would be forced to work or you would be starving to death (in the literal sense).

The state also protects your rights to protest. Your attitude wouldn't survive 2 seconds in many countries or in other another era. Imagine trying to scam off the monarch in medieval times, lol you'd be right up s*** creek! The only thing that protects you, to be able to do what you do, is the state which you are so eager to destroy!! I mean - its totally laughable!

What would you do if you didn't get benefits?

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. If it wasn't for the state you would be completely f***ed
No one really wants to pay taxes to pay out benefits. We are FORCED to do that by the state.
THe state is the taxpayers enemy, it is the anarchists friend.

Max


Not so miserable now

22.09.2009 01:39

@Heaven knows I'm miserable now

"The issue of "unemployment" that you're highlighting is only a facet of the problem of existing in an all-encompassing economy that is not of our own making. Most activists I know simply find a way to "get by" that involves as little traditional wage slavery as possible - freeing up time for real work. This might mean working for yourself, claiming benefits, working a couple of days a week or a mixture of the three."


I am excluded from the benefits system by choice. In any reasonable theory of wage slavery, unemployment "benefits" are simply another form of wage slavery in a reserve pool of labour. To split time between unemployment, self employment and benefits is to spend inordinate amounts of time "managing" your own wage slavery. I would prefer to not do that. A more reasonable - and ultimately more disruptive - route for an anarchist or activist would be to take a job in a call centre and slack off. Having done that I know it is possible. It then contributes to what any Anticapitalist would call real work.



"As far as I'm aware the broader "left" harps on about unemployment and low wages all the bloody time. But personally I think anyone campaigning for employment has more in common with the right wing. They both want the working classes incarcerated, literally or figuratively."


The original post was about the invisibility of unemployment, not necessarily about wanting to be employed. Walk out of the arrangement you have with the Benefits Office and then tell me that the Unemployed are visible and that the "left" harps on about unemployment. The "left" - such as it currently is - harp on about accepting low wages and criminalise the Unemployed. The "left" is one of the largest causes of the mass criminalisation of people who depend on working - in some capacity - in order to survive. That is people dependent on being employed, self-employed or on benefits. The original post was not about campaigning for the "right to work". As others have indicated - all this liberal chitter chatter about "rights" is nothing but defunct liberal individualism. Which is an ideology of the extreme right that has more in common with Mussolini's Fascism than any kind of "left". The truth of the "left" harping on about unemployment and low wages is that it distracts from the utter powerlessness and criminalisation of those depending on work to exist.


"Your words about "Animal Rights" are a pathetic attempt to stress the importance of your hobby horse. How is trying to prevent the suffering of beings who had no choice about their suffering less important than... unemployment? As a long time unemployment benefits recipient I just think this is a joke. The dole is an easy life and animal testing equals gruesome deaths. Idiot."

You misread too much. My comments about "Animal Rights" were not about the validity of that cause. Nor was it some claim that one cause is more important, bigger, brighter and better than another. It is no attempt to stress a hobby horse. Count the number of posts on Indymedia about animal rights. Then count the number of Indymedia posts about animal rights that clarify how improving animal rights improves workers rights. You may have better luck in finding them than I have. My point was that animal rights (or climate protest) offers little analysis outside of its own area of expertise. Indeed, there is a tendency to be insular, bigoted and oppositional to anything but unalloyed praise for a lifestyle cause. Animal rights is important - but it is not important to me. Just as Unemployment is obviously not important to you.

I did not create the so called "credit crunch" but I suffer the consequences. I have no choice in this. One of the acknowledged consequences of long term unemployment is a shorter life. People die youg because they are poor. Suprise: people are also animals and poverty is a gruesome death. My claims about unemployment are also claims about animal treatment. I have no illusions about being an animal and reverse specieism is just as odious as specieism. Attempting to argue that I am an idiot because I lack compassion for unnamed animals over a named animal (that being myself) is disingenious to say the least. Your claims about animals equally apply to the Unemployed. By being diverted into seeing an Animal Rights agenda as excluding a Class Agenda you are accepting a shortened life from one of the gruesome deaths afforded by poverty.

If you were to have read what I wrote about Animal Rights, you might have realised I was criticising the exclusivist tendency in all lifestyle leftists, not specifically animal rights activists. To be very clear, I wrote that such causes are actually laudable but that they suffer from being navel gazing.

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@Max As I recieve nothing from the State, you are bollockgabbing through your arse about Anarchist mixings. It is a pity that it is the highlight of an otherwise unremarkable career in trolling. The secret of effective trolling is to actually understand what the other people have written.

Unemployed with no Benefits